Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 4 of 18 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast
Results 76 to 100 of 429

Thread: E-V13 subclades in Greece

  1. #76
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dianatomia View Post
    How can you determine it comes from the Albanian hills? Perhaps an earlier branch came from i.e. Thrace or Thessaly. What does that supposed to be? Are Albanians Thracians or Greeks? And how about J2? Perhaps the first branch comes from Anatolia? If there is a way of determining such a thing. Does this mean everyone Turk or an Anatolian?

    If 'only' Illyrians had EV-13, and classical Greeks, Thracians, Romans had none of it, and it can be proven that Albanian is somehow Illyrian, then I will grand you it's Albanian.

    But mere speculation that one clade comes from the Albanian hills means little.
    It seems that E-v13 was not very common in Mycenaean times in Peloponnesus....I guess this is why Lazaridis did not find any.....looking forward for the Balkan puzzle to come together....whatever the outcome...but for some it might be tears.


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

  2. #77
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Subclade CTS5856 for which co-administrator of the FTDNA E-M35 project says that probably comes from border between Albania, Montenegro and Serbia.



    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3t...d6MDJlaTQ/view


    If you have different information tell me and I will respect that .
    Great info....I also appreciated the R1b mix.


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

  3. #78
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,211
    Points
    41,314
    Level
    62
    Points: 41,314, Level: 62
    Level completed: 75%, Points required for next Level: 336
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Yetos, Blevins - please don't miss the point.
    Just discovered that i am E V13. For me it means that few thousand years ago, a man was born with a mutation. Quite a lot of albanians, greeks, italians, serbs, croatian and many more descent from that single man.

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app
    bergin

    1) the oldest known V-13 found in Balkans is around 5-6th century BC in today Bulgaria, Thracian tombs,

    2) the older E found nearby is about 2000 BC in Konya Turkey,
    I do not know if it was V-13 mutation.

    3) Dienekes using the mutations posibilities age
    suggested the maritime entrance around 2000- 1500 BC
    via peloponese

    4) Italian, did not remember which University, if I am correct Padova,
    made a combo of E and PC1 and suggested as an Hypothesis that existed in black sea parts of Thrace
    around 3-4 millenium BC,

    These are all attested about E and V-13 of Balkans.

    it is still a mystery,
    and most certain spread from East Balkans
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

  4. #79
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    Wasnt there a pre ev13 found in dalmatia from the neolithic (reich lab)?

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

  5. #80
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,211
    Points
    41,314
    Level
    62
    Points: 41,314, Level: 62
    Level completed: 75%, Points required for next Level: 336
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    Wasnt there a pre ev13 found in dalmatia from the neolithic (reich lab)?

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

    never heard such.
    maybe I am wrong,
    but I did not heard such thing

  6. #81
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree Friends1 year registered5000 Experience Points
    Wheal's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-09-17
    Location
    Illinois
    Posts
    307
    Points
    6,713
    Level
    24
    Points: 6,713, Level: 24
    Level completed: 33%, Points required for next Level: 337
    Overall activity: 22.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    Pat-U106-H-e1a4b2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H5a1b

    Ethnic group
    a true mutt
    Country: USA - Illinois



    This is the combined map.
    Attachment 9371

  7. #82
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    never heard such.
    maybe I am wrong,
    but I did not heard such thing
    Yep it was....https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...35616.full.pdf


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

  8. #83
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    never heard such.
    maybe I am wrong,
    but I did not heard such thing
    I think is on the supplementary table (Exel) from the Mathieson paper.
    sample ID: I3948 (zemunica cave, croatia). Nearly 5800-6000 BC.

  9. #84
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassVeteran10000 Experience Points
    PaschalisB's Avatar
    Join Date
    18-01-12
    Location
    Athens
    Posts
    129
    Points
    10,122
    Level
    30
    Points: 10,122, Level: 30
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 428
    Overall activity: 4.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E-CTS9320
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5a1b

    Ethnic group
    Greek
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    We work for you and now you're angry.
    Not angry at all.

  10. #85
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    Btw, thanks for the maps paschalis

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

  11. #86
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I think is on the supplementary table (Exel) from the Mathieson paper.
    sample ID: I3948 (zemunica cave, croatia). Nearly 5800-6000 BC.
    Do you have a link to the full paper no payment. ...


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

  12. #87
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    The link is not enough cause it has to recognize the license

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

  13. #88
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    But the arxiv one is ok. Supplementary material/ supplememtary table

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

  14. #89
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    14-12-10
    Posts
    1,603
    Points
    22,749
    Level
    46
    Points: 22,749, Level: 46
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 801
    Overall activity: 9.0%


    Country: Serbia



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Albanians have around 20% of Slavs genes, we know that exist records of Red Croatia to Durrës in Albania and Slavic invasions to the Greece, possible that these toponyms are of those newly arrived Slavs.

    Part of Croats are Albanian origin and also part of Albanians are Croatian origin. It is genetics there is no hiding.
    Are you Albanian from Croatia? It is not offense Albanians are good entrepreneurs in Croatia.

    What you say could be possible. Albanian ancestors lived in Carpathian and beyond (Romania, Moldavia, Ukraine, Slovakia). For example Beskids mountains is possible Albanian word bjeshkë (what is commonly known, and there is in Wikipedia). As ancestors of Croats possible lived in similar region (Western Ukraine-Southern Poland), it is possible that they mixed.

    So when Free Dacian Carpi arrived in Mat area in today's Albania it is possible they had partly Croatian blood.

    Theoretically it is possible because geographical location. Take in consideration that Albanian (original words, without Romanian Latin and other loans) has a closeness with Balto-Slavic.

    But I don't think that in time of Free Dacians we can speak about Croats as separated Slavic entity.

    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    For me Albanians are descendants of the Illyrians.
    It is same to say that for you earth is flat.

    But what if earth is not flat?

    Austrian scholars Matzinger and Scumacher claim Albanians have nothing with Illyrians.

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...lost-for-words

    And to whom to trust more. They are University researchers and authorities, you are not their level, surely.

    Conclusion based on your opinion and above mentioned Austrian scholars:

    Albanians are not descendants of Illyrians.

    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    I have to call it Albanian because it is in today's Albanians.
    There is nothing further from the truth than this claim. Speculation that one clade comes from the Albanian hills has no significance.

    If someone sees today's borders and population and he thinks it was always was same he is completely wrong. Borders change and population, too. There are x examples in the world where population is changed in relatively short period. For example if you go to Mauritus you will see Hindu population is the most numerous, 200 years ago no one Hindus lived there.

    Someone can see Slavic toponyms in Albania. Except for the central part (area Mat, Drac and surrounding) Albania is full of Slavic toponyms.



    And what if some researcher looked at situation from the epoch of Emperor Dusan, he coud think all E-V13 subclades are Serbian, hills are Serbian (and whole today's Albania).

    Serbia in epoch of Dusan Emperor, red color.



    (I have no intention of magnification of Emperor Dusan, I'm not interested in that, I just gave an example for the wrong logic).
    ...

    Dianatomia gave right analysis.
    Last edited by Garrick; 03-10-17 at 02:08.

  15. #90
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    14-12-10
    Posts
    1,603
    Points
    22,749
    Level
    46
    Points: 22,749, Level: 46
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 801
    Overall activity: 9.0%


    Country: Serbia



    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I dont think e1b is of albanian origin. Neither is r1b(or a) based on a modern nation

    Sent from my SM-G903F using Eupedia Forum mobile app
    You are right, it is not Albanian origin.

    Of course, no Illyrian origin.

    I read long time ago some Albanian websites which linked E-V13 with Nimrod, Old Egyptians etc but it is not real.

    And some Russians wrote it is Illyrian marker, but we know today, it is not.

    There are many unknowns about E-V13, you can see in this forum, some prominent members of forum say spreading of E-V13 in Europe is still a mystery, but I am convinced that with new findings and scientific studies knowledge about E-V13 will rise.

  16. #91
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    Are you Albanian from Croatia? It is not offense Albanians are good entrepreneurs in Croatia.

    What you say could be possible. Albanian ancestors lived in Carpathian and beyond (Romania, Moldavia, Ukraine, Slovakia). For example Beskids mountains is possible Albanian word bjeshkë (what is commonly known, and there is in Wikipedia). As ancestors of Croats possible lived in similar region (Western Ukraine-Southern Poland), it is possible that they mixed.

    So when Free Dacian Carpi arrived in Mat area in today's Albania it is possible they had partly Croatian blood.

    Theoretically it is possible because geographical location. Take in consideration that Albanian (original words, without Romanian Latin and other loans) has a closeness with Balto-Slavic.

    But I don't think that in time of Free Dacians we can speak about Croats as separated Slavic entity.



    It is same to say that for you earth is flat.

    But what if earth is not flat?

    Austrian scholars Matzinger and Scumacher claim Albanians have nothing with Illyrians.

    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...lost-for-words

    And to whom to trust more. They are University researchers and authorities, you are not their level, surely.

    Conclusion based on your opinion and above mentioned Austrian scholars:

    Albanians are not descendants of Illyrians.
    It depends how you define people, blood or words....may be lost for words....but blood tells a different story.....different from your Carpi theory.


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

  17. #92
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,211
    Points
    41,314
    Level
    62
    Points: 41,314, Level: 62
    Level completed: 75%, Points required for next Level: 336
    Overall activity: 7.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I think is on the supplementary table (Exel) from the Mathieson paper.
    sample ID: I3948 (zemunica cave, croatia). Nearly 5800-6000 BC.

    Yes I found it

    E-M78 V-68

  18. #93
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    01-09-14
    Location
    Zagreb
    Posts
    626
    Points
    6,504
    Level
    23
    Points: 6,504, Level: 23
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 46
    Overall activity: 5.0%


    Ethnic group
    Croatian
    Country: Croatia



    .



    (I have no intention of magnification of Emperor Dusan, I'm not interested in that, I just gave an example for the wrong logic).
    Yes, but Serbs as slavs coming in 7th century to the Balkans, E1b which have Albanians does not come with slavs.

    Are you Albanian from Croatia? It is not offense Albanians are good entrepreneurs in Croatia.
    I am Croatian.

    What you say could be possible. Albanian ancestors lived in Carpathian and beyond (Romania, Moldavia, Ukraine, Slovakia). For example Beskids mountains is possible Albanian word bjeshkë (what is commonly known, and there is in Wikipedia). As ancestors of Croats possible lived in similar region (Western Ukraine-Southern Poland), it is possible that they mixed.
    Prove it with genetics and no problem.

    So when Free Dacian Carpi arrived in Mat area in today's Albania it is possible they had partly Croatian blood.
    It is same to say that for you earth is flat.

    Croats are mutations from beginning of century, and original haplotypes for them are I2a and R1a.

    Who are today's descendants of White Croats in Ukraine and Poland?, part of today Ukrainians and Poles, I can not call them all Croats.
    I can not call Albanias Illyrians but I can say that people with E1b in Albania are probably of Illyrian origin if genetics says otherwise i respected that.

    Austrian scholars Matzinger and Scumacher claim Albanians have nothing with Illyrians.
    That he looked at today's Albanian genetics he would certainly have different conclusion.

    Speculation that one clade comes from the Albanian hills has no significance.
    But in this area they are all Albanian subclades with that one clade as a source.
    Last edited by hrvat22; 03-10-17 at 19:01.

  19. #94
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    18-10-14
    Location
    Tirana
    Posts
    216
    Points
    5,023
    Level
    20
    Points: 5,023, Level: 20
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 27
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E V13
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12

    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Yes I found it

    E-M78 V-68
    I actually don't know how to call it (or even interpret).
    It is E-M78 and it has the L618 mutation.
    Downstream the L618 there is only E-V13 (as by YTree at least).
    But this sample is not E-V13 as this mutation did not occur yet.

    Maybe E-L618 (V13*)

  20. #95
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Recommendation Second ClassThree FriendsVeteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    17-01-15
    Posts
    326
    Points
    5,962
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,962, Level: 22
    Level completed: 83%, Points required for next Level: 88
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    J-L283

    Country: Albania



    2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I actually don't know how to call it (or even interpret).
    It is E-M78 and it has the L618 mutation.
    Downstream the L618 there is only E-V13 (as by YTree at least).
    But this sample is not E-V13 as this mutation did not occur yet.
    Maybe E-L618 (V13*)
    We'll find out once the raw data is released. But he is most likely L618+ and V13-
    If he is V13+ or has nearly all (50+) mutations representing L618 subclade, in theory he could be the "ancestor" or a not too distant cousin of all modern E-V13 men, which would suggest V13 mutation arose in the same general area. But IMHO, he most likely represents an extinct E-L618 line.

  21. #96
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    14-12-10
    Posts
    1,603
    Points
    22,749
    Level
    46
    Points: 22,749, Level: 46
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 801
    Overall activity: 9.0%


    Country: Serbia



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    .
    I can say that people with E1b in Albania are probably of Illyrian origin if genetics says otherwise i respected that.
    Illyrian? Which sample? Scientific paper, authors. From which epoch? 1,2 century AD, or BC or what.

    Did you read papers about genetic genealogy? Scientists are very clear, if someone looks today's population and he wants to make conclusions about past it is waste of time. Croats say: zgubidan. Because populations changed, populations are changing, (and in future populations will change).

    So you didn't give us no one finding about Albanians as descendant of Illyrians, only your own speculations. You didn't prove your hypothesis. Sorry, but Austrian scientists Matzinger and Scumacher are relevant in relation to you, they are scientists and authorities. According them Albanians are not descendants of Illyrians.

  22. #97
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    01-09-14
    Location
    Zagreb
    Posts
    626
    Points
    6,504
    Level
    23
    Points: 6,504, Level: 23
    Level completed: 91%, Points required for next Level: 46
    Overall activity: 5.0%


    Ethnic group
    Croatian
    Country: Croatia



    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    Illyrian? Which sample? Scientific paper, authors. From which epoch? 1,2 century AD, or BC or what.

    Did you read papers about genetic genealogy? Scientists are very clear, if someone looks today's population and he wants to make conclusions about past it is waste of time. Croats say: zgubidan. Because populations changed, populations are changing, (and in future populations will change).

    So you didn't give us no one finding about Albanians as descendant of Illyrians, only your own speculations. You didn't prove your hypothesis. Sorry, but Austrian scientists Matzinger and Scumacher are relevant in relation to you, they are scientists and authorities. According them Albanians are not descendants of Illyrians.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians

    Archaeologists from the former Yugoslavia highlighted the continuity between the Bronze and succeeding Iron Age (especially in regions such as Donja Dolina, central Bosnia-Glasinac, and northern Albania (Mat river basin)), ultimately developing the so-called "autochthonous theory" of Illyrian genesis.
    The Bronze Age lasts from 2000 to 750 BC. A
    northern Albania (Mat river basin


    https://postimg.org/image/4qxnhdqsb/

    Subclade CTS5856 4700 years old, north Albania.

    All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians.

    Obviously all Albanian mutations are in the area of Albania and wider old around 4000 to 100 years.

    27,5% Albanians and 47% Albanians from Kosovo with E1b CTS5856, live in south Balkan 4700 to 100 years (their ancestors).

    Are they part of Ilirians or not..??

    When we see how old are types of R1b and J2a in Albanias and Albania then we will tell how much of today's Albanians are Illyrian origin.

  23. #98
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    30-04-10
    Posts
    336
    Points
    15,672
    Level
    38
    Points: 15,672, Level: 38
    Level completed: 3%, Points required for next Level: 778
    Overall activity: 3.0%


    Country: Serbia



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians.
    Could you specify all the mutations behind CTS5856?

  24. #99
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    14-12-10
    Posts
    1,603
    Points
    22,749
    Level
    46
    Points: 22,749, Level: 46
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 801
    Overall activity: 9.0%


    Country: Serbia



    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians









    https://postimg.org/image/4qxnhdqsb/

    Subclade CTS5856 4700 years old, north Albania.

    All mutations behind CTS5856 exist in Albania and Albanians.

    Obviously all Albanian mutations are in the area of Albania and wider old around 4000 to 100 years.

    27,5% Albanians and 47% Albanians from Kosovo with E1b CTS5856, live in south Balkan 4700 to 100 years (their ancestors).

    Are they part of Ilirians or not..??
    You didn't give ancient samples, obviously you have no genetic evidence from ancient epoches, you did nothing.

    No Illyrian. You are in mistake. But I will explain you detailed, enjoy, nice time in Croatia.

  25. #100
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    blevins13's Avatar
    Join Date
    15-10-16
    Location
    Tirana
    Age
    43
    Posts
    601
    Points
    3,168
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,168, Level: 16
    Level completed: 30%, Points required for next Level: 282
    Overall activity: 10.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-Z2103>BY611
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H7i1

    Ethnic group
    Albanian
    Country: Albania



    Quote Originally Posted by Garrick View Post
    You didn't give ancient samples, obviously you have no genetic evidence from ancient epoches, you did nothing.

    No Illyrian. You are in mistake. But I will explain you detailed, enjoy, nice time in Croatia.
    Hrvat22 waste no time with Garrick....he is a lost case.... first he sad Albanians are from Caucas and came with Turks.... now some other Crap......


    Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum

Page 4 of 18 FirstFirst ... 2345614 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •