Aspurg is looks like some underdeveloped kid with complexes. He is Jovan Deretic follower. I would advice everyone to take his words with reserve since he is obviously very manipulative and lying person. He is genetically classic Balkan guy, standard Serb/Montenegrin/Albanian, he is roleplaying and lying here with his Avar, Hunic, Tatar, Cuman and so on theories. He probably lives in some village in Montenegro or Serbia which are villages by their own if you dont live in capital city, but even then.. He is bored entire day at home and is obviously enjoying in making up all these various theories about his own origin only thanks to his Šiptar Y-DNA. Also he cant hide from me that he dislikes Albanians and is very unfair towards them. Not to say he never mentioned Illyrian possibility of his line once in life. All he did was neglecting and ignoring his Albanian relatives which absolutely dominate his clade, percentage and TMRCA wise..
Yesterday i got this message from one Eupedia Serb that i barely know and he said this:
He is fun of Jovan Deretić, unlike me.
I don't claim Serbian origin of most of Albanians as Deretić and some other Serbs. Kriči are different story...
Montenegrin guy Aspurg is Zor on Poreklo. He is claim Scythian and Turkic origin of his E-V13.
He has many weird theories. For example he claim Albanian origin of Hezegovinian clan Burmazi which are R1a-M458 and which were recorded in Herzegovina in 13th century.
After this message i managed to find his thread on Serbian forum Poreklo where he talks and tries to explain Z17170, but also his own origin.
I was not little surprised after what i read.. He did not mention Albanians, Greeks, Italians once in his thread. The only time when he mentioned Albanians is few time on first page when he was trying to connect Albanians to Iranians while comparing some words in language. Also he later says that Albanian cluster is irrelevant and that they have only 1600 years TMRCA.
The only time when he mention Albanians is when he says that their subclade and TMRCA are irrelevant and that they arrived to Balkans 1600 years ago from Carpathians...
From first to last page (4 pages) he mentions word Cuman around 200 times, from first to last page he is persistent on his Cuman origin.
This abnormally role-playing kid does not understand that he is not of Cuman ancestry. But rather Šiptar asimilant into Montenegrin/Serb ethnos.
After 4 pages of utter trash posting and mentioning word Cuman over 200 times, some senior Poreklo members like Simo tell him that he is making mistake when trying to find deep subclade of some samples he managed to find on some researches hard trying to prove his claims when these samples have only low number of STRs revealed and he cant even be sure the subclade they belong let alone distance one from another.
But Aspurg instead of listening senior members with better overall knowledge where Simo is absolutely right that with 14, 17, and 23 markers you cant know subclade of these samples, neither their genetic distance he is stubborn and rejects to listen.
Only then i realized why Aspurg says that he crushed my friend Simo who was claiming same things. Because neither is Simo my friend and neither i seen anything of this before. Also i didnt even know that you exist until few days ago. Me and some senior members on Poreklo telling you same things is just an accident since obviously its pretty clear to anyone with better knowledge that you are heavily mistaking in interpretation of your result so all of us rather told you sincere opinion rather then wanting to enter into a fight or discussion with you which already proved as hard since you dont take any critics and you only push your own theories while no one seems is agreeing with you, even on your home forum Poreklo they told you that you are childish, not serious and full of crap. I guess they are also not interested in Cumano Avar fairy tales but rather into your Šiptar Montenegrin/South Serbian truth.
I am enjoying, but not new findings but rather level of try hard that someone can pull out.
But i have to give you credit in paint/photoshop skills tho.
This
phylogenetic tree is utter crap and manipulation, where you excluded Greek, Italian, Kosovo Albanian, Albanian Macedonian samples that are actually SNP tested and they are all closer to you then any of these Ukrainian, Russian, Hungarian, Uzbekistan, American and other clades you put there. Most of these samples you put there are invalid and should not even be on your fake Yfull tree because they are not SNP confirmed and your assumption based on 17 markers are ridiculous. Besides how for example clade that you named A24048b you put its formed date 1000 years and TMRCA 900 years? I dont see how would you know this on low STRs and no WGS tests? Also its exact position on phylogenetic tree? You have no proof that you are closer to anyone of all these people that you claim not a single proof that would confirm your Tatar-Avar-Cuman theories, but rather you fall in classic Balkan clade with majority of relatives at Albanians where Albanians also have highest TMRCA and brother clades.
The same thing that they already told you on Poreklo and the same thing that i already told you. All your relatives are Albanians, and even if this clade that you presented A24048 is correct it still shows you clear Balkan origin.
Also while entire time you were neglecting Albanian TMRCA and saying they are irrelevant i hope you understood by now that Albanians have highest TMRCA within Z17107, and not only that but also brother clades of Z17107 are found in Albania, Greece Italy and so on.
Your Cuman theory is funniest crap i heard in my life considering they were medieval Asian Turkic invaders while your haplogroup has multiple Balkan splits beyond Z17107 where also all of your closest relatives are from Balkan and Albania and none from all these places you were imagining so far.
You have Greeks, Albanians, Kosovar, Albanian Macedonia, Italians, Sweeds, Serbs, Montenegrin in your clade. These are your closest relatives. You are classic Balkan Montenegrin Šiptar, you have no connection with Russians, Americans, Uzbekies and anyone closer then your Balkan matches where Albanians are most numerous and have highest TMRCA. You pulled some highly speculative samples from some researches, but imagine if i would put all Albanian, Greek, Serb, Montenegrin and Italian samples inside,
Do not waste your time with this person. A today's quote from Kelmendi Albanian Rugovac who is knowledgeable about Albanian fis/clans about Dema:
"Obivous ignorance of that Arnautas from Zhegrova or where else he's from. The funniest of all is that this Arnautash (albanized Serb)
determines who is Albanian or not, and in his house until 1750 they certainly didn't know a word of Albanian."
Me wasting time has resulted in a great new and informative Phylogenetic tree. I always turn any situation to my favor in the end..
Rugovac is little pathetic lying worm that has been banned from Albanian community because of continues lies about his origin and about Albanians generally on Serbian forum.
We all know that Rugovac is too stupid to understand genetics and even he knows that hence why he never mentions genetics. Rugovac is Serb that lives in Poland and lies about his Albanian origin.
Rugovac does not speak Albanian language, all his knowledge is based on 3 Serbian books he read. The only thing that Rugovac does is lies about Albanians on Serbian forum, says things that Albanins would never say and lies about himself being Albanian. He is like psychopathic person that should be banned on Serbian forum also but i guess that you guys are keeping him since he goes like little pet agreeing on everything everyone says and usually talking shit about Albanians and representing history how only Albanian hating Serb would do.
Second to that, Rugovac is lying about what is he saying here because even Urosevic did not mention any year but he said 19 century which is even later.
Rugovac is too stupid to comment anything about anything you posted in that thread but he only comments me, lies about me and tries to make me look bad.
Rugovac is butthurt because i called him out publicly on Eupedia long ago for his lies and pretending to be Albanian. No one cares what this old fart is saying on some Serbian forum since he obviously cant speak Albanian or English so that is only thing whats left to him.
And since he said that. I will have to admit that yes, in Rugovac case it was me first calling out his fake Albanian identity, and it was me first calling out discussion about him where everyone quickly agreed that he is Serb pretending to be Albanian.
So yes, in his case i definitively decided that he is not Albanian. But rather liar and psychopath living in Poland and lying probably about everything he says.
But you guys can enjoy thinking that he is real Albanian and thinking that you are actually communicating with Albanian. lol.
Also your autosomal is manipulation where only one calculator managed to show you some Huno Avar results because it was setup on 4 populations so it was streaching out. You have normal results and you are imagining this Cuman, Avar and other connection.
At first i thought that you are joking, but after reading your thread where you mention word Cuman over 200 times i realized that you are obsessed and serious.
Now continue to lie and photoshop samples into Yfull based on 17 STRs without a single deeper SNP. I dont care about your classic Montenegrin Šiptar results and you are not interesing to me, but i wont let you lie about one of major Albanian lines saying they are irrelevant and that they arrived here 1600 years ago because you are too stupid to understand that TMRCA does not represent time of arrival, besides as i told you Albanians have highest TMRCA within this group, unlike Hungarians, Americans and others.
