Do you understand that other South Slavs like Slovenes who talk same language and have same R1a+I2a clades have only 3 % of E-v13 and all these clades are alien to them?
It is idiotic to say that E-V13 is foreign to other areas, including some modern Slavic areas. You wish to downplay E-V13 numbers in non-Albanian areas because you being the sole Albanian with your haplotype have a need to prove that you are "greater Catholic than a Pope" by claiming ludicrous things..
Some scientific studies:
Ruthenians sample: 200
E-V13 12.5 % , including clades such as E-CTS9320>BY4253, S19928>BY20073, likely L241, E-BY14150, E-FGC11450..
Ukrainians Lvov sample: 154
E-V13 6.5 % (including 2 basal Z17107's whose TMRCA is 1000 greater than all Albanian Z17107's put together, also some other CTS9320's)
So you get far more than those 3 % in some areas of Ukraine. You have no right whatsoever to appropriate clades of E-V13 that have nothing to do with Albanian ethnicity, especially as all of these have absolutely nothing to do with Illyrians.
E-v13 was Thracian but not Illyrian is very stupid to say at least.
Illyrian yes (certain clades), but overall more Daco-Thracian yes.
Also it has great diversity and percentages here. It for sure belongs to paleo-balkan population that spread with Illyrians, Greeks, Italic tribes and others.
1. Thracians 2. Greeks 2. Dacians (tied in importance i'd say) 4. Illyrians and some have affinities with others...
You were even recorded as Kuçi, even tho maybe you dont have Y-DNA direct connection with Kuçi tribals but you could have joined tribe or be called like that because of your Montenegrin Albanian origin and some interactions with Kuçi..
It is irrelevant what is said in recently made up traditions. There are others more truthful which do not mention Kuchi, plus Lutovac never considered our clan as Kuchi.. Kuchi were not more powerful than my clan in 15th and 16th century. I am descendant of a ktitor of a Medieval Monastery/Church, very rare thing (as most ktitor families are of post-Medieval Churches), which is an indication for local nobility (read Kumanicic from Rudnik/Bijelo Polje area). My ancestors worked for the Ottomans as their troops and it worked well until the battle of Wiena, only then we started to lose our power and at that time a bunch of Kuci arrived (and Kuchi fought near Bijel Polje in 1687) so some of this kinship developed. But our distant ancestry is Shop region, no distant haplotypes of the Shop type are found in Montenegro or Western Balkans in general.
Even those Serb cousins I have in Shop are of likely recent Bulgarian origin. That is only reason why I dont yet know some of those because Serbs in those areas are afraid to test because of matching Bulgarians, which does happen often indeed.
You are classic montenegricized Šiptar with classic Šiptar haplogroup lying here about your Tatar, Hunic, Avar, Russian, etc origins......
Russian is a basal Z17107+, no reading on Y30991, Z38456-. Related to him another Russian 21/111 so this clade has been there for a long time.. American clade Z17107+, again no reading on Y30991, Z38456- all share alongside my clade for E-V13 unmodal value of dys439=13 (dys439=12 is modal), while being all distant to themselves. Accident?
Very unlikely. And if there is just a
single SNP
we share this clade of my own has nothing to do with Balkans and everything to do with a bunch of Steppe maniacs for consecutive 2000 years..
Consider that even a thought of ******** a person whose paternal ancestors were likely sado-mazo maniacs might be a very bad idea. There are plenty of other non-Albanian, Serb or whatever V13's you can ***** around. With A24048 there is no messing around make no mistake about that.. Think about it, these are those who drank blood and used skulls as drinking cups.. Just take your usual Illyrian, Slav thing to someone in your lower league.
You look like.... Internet ***** and moron, if you haven't notice, spear us of all the superiority complexes.
Besides your Huno Avar autosomal results dont have anything with your Montenegrin Šiptar Y-DNA.
Well don't f*** around with Hunno-Avars weakling Dwarf because as so many times throughout history you know whats coming for you:
pain.
Do not insult me honorless weakling, you may address me only as Dacian or Cimmerian in terms of my most distant origin. I have nothing to do with Montenegrins or Albanians by distant ancestry, but of the history I have in Montenegro I am proud of it. And as explained million times I'll do it once more, I have more cousins in Shop area who are more diverse and based on STR's its a certain migration from the Shop. I have relatives in Pecenevce, Sofiya, Pirot, Vranje and because Vranje haplotype looks most similar to him, likely the ethnic Macedonian is from around Kumanovo.
And as you (and your Serb friend, ex admin at poreklo Simo who also got destroyed by myself because he made a mistake once again at FTDNA trees when he tried to ***** me like you do right now) fail to remember (double digit IQ) is that I do have a member of my own clade from Qarsaq Cumania:
E5882, he alongside Cluj haplotype
are most distant certain (there is another likely in Kalmykia but he can't be 100 % guaranteed for now like these can)
members of my own branch found thus far.
These are all genetically alot closer to me than any Albanian Z17107>BY4461, than Lakic, and members of his branch.
If I wanted to be evil I could say that among Szekely occurs also basal BY4461>Y161798 (kit 111672), that among Bulgarians and Romanians is found a haplotype which is predicted as Z38456>BY4461 at FTDNA by the admins but which has various more distant values to Albanians. This haplotype does not exit in Albanians,
and if it is Z38456+ you can throw any notion of BY4461 being Illyrian straight out of window. And then you might mention the Albanian word
karpë for the rock and Carpathians, the Carpi Dacian tribe etc....
So Hungarians
have two clades of Z17107,
E-Y81971 these are not from Cumania itself, and my own
E-A24048 from Greater Cumania. Eventually my cousins such as Karcag one will pop up at YFull as well.. And think of it why do I have thus far the only member of my clade in the heart of Cumania. If this is all accident he had of all 800 Hungarians equal chance of being found elsewhere, outside of Cuman areas but he didn't, he's in the
core of Cumania and no doubt there are more of them.. And this family has done alot for the history of Cumans in Hungary, as there is evidence to suggest a connection with another family of certain Cuman ancestry..
If my clan was a random Vlach migration from Shop it would have had the equal chance of ending up in all neighboring areas, instead it ended up in an area with confirmed historical involvement of Bulgarians/Cumans: Bijelo Polje.
Same for my cousin from Pecenjevce, same with me why are we found in exactly the right places? Because we are the
real deal. Are we the real deal since Free Dacians joining the Ermi or glorious Gelonians to be definitely determined.
And with Tengri's help I'll get more of cousins, make no mistake about it.
If 5 numbers are hard to remember for you maybe you can have them tattooed..
Good that you mentioned those two. And yes my Y-DNA also has Hunno-Avar connections.
Near Bijelo Polje are found:
Toholj, Dulo, Gostun, Yarmen, Okor
This is where they peak in number.
Avitohol lived 300 years. His clan was Dulo and his year (of ascending to the throne) dilom tvirem.
Irnik lived 150 years. His clan Dulo and his year dilom tverim.
Gostun, the regent, 2 years. His clan Ermi and his year dokhs tvirem.
Okor <- Kopan
Okorsis
So it seems we knew the Nominalia or its elements. And of course leader of Avar siege of Constantinople was
Ermitz, so many authors connect it with Avars. These people brought some light into the Balkano-Pripyat averageness and all you can do is moan.
There should really be a cap for posting on internet forums for sub-intelligent individuals, thinking is simply not for you.
I have been honorable and I addressed your points directly. Not once have you addressed any of my points directly, you are incapable of memorizing 5 numbers, clearly you are a low quality specimen, likely in Imbecile/Moron range rather than simply a double digit IQ.
I have squashed you in rational arguments, and you certainly would not have any guts to throw those "arguments" of yours in 4 eyes to me, honorless, lying, sneaky weakling thing called Demi-boy..
Anything that can be discussed with you has been discussed.. This is my clan, and others especially not Arnautasi albanized Serbs such as Dema have no business in putting my honorable clan into their mouth or uttering a word about it let alone talking about our origins, I was and am always eager to discuss anything with other Albanian Z17107's. The only other discussion is with you is through other methods, you'd be reciting every word that I have written here if we had this conversation in 4 eyes make no mistake about it..
Now out of my sight
Demi-boy..
