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    Canaanite dna

    According to the paper the Canaanites are alive and well. They're the Lebanese. :) I could make an argument that perhaps the Jews share a lot of that ancestry too.



    The actual paper: Marc Haber et al
    "Continuity and Admixture in the Last Five Millennia of Levantine History from Ancient Canaanite and Present-Day Lebanese Genome Sequences"

    http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8

    "The Canaanites inhabited the Levant region during the Bronze Age and established a culture that became influential in the Near East and beyond. However, the Canaanites, unlike most other ancient Near Easterners of this period, left few surviving textual records and thus their origin and relationship to ancient and present-day populations remain unclear. In this study, we sequenced five whole genomes from ∼3,700-year-old individuals from the city of Sidon, a major Canaanite city-state on the Eastern Mediterranean coast. We also sequenced the genomes of 99 individuals from present-day Lebanon to catalog modern Levantine genetic diversity. We find that a Bronze Age Canaanite-related ancestry was widespread in the region, shared among urban populations inhabiting the coast (Sidon) and inland populations (Jordan) who likely lived in farming societies or were pastoral nomads. This Canaanite-related ancestry derived from mixture between local Neolithic populations and eastern migrants genetically related to Chalcolithic Iranians. We estimate, using linkage-disequilibrium decay patterns, that admixture occurred 6,600–3,550 years ago, coinciding with recorded massive population movements in Mesopotamia during the mid-Holocene. We show that present-day Lebanese derive most of their ancestry from a Canaanite-related population, which therefore implies substantial genetic continuity in the Levant since at least the Bronze Age. In addition, we find Eurasian ancestry in the Lebanese not present in Bronze Age or earlier Levantines. We estimate that this Eurasian ancestry arrived in the Levant around 3,750–2,170 years ago during a period of successive conquests by distant populations."



    To me that would seem to indicate not very much admixture from either the Philistines or the Crusaders or the Arab conquest, yes?

    See also:
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...anaanites-fate

    "“You’d need a lot of migration for roughly half of the population to be replaced by the incoming Iranian-related populations,” says Iosif Lazaridis, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in the study. “This must have been some important event in the history of the Near East.” One possibility is the spread of the Akkadian Empire, which controlled a region spanning from the Levant to Iran between 4,400 and 4,200 years ago. That connection may have presented the opportunity for interbreeding between these far-flung populations.The researchers also determined that modern Lebanese people can attribute about 93 percent of their ancestry to the Canaanites. The other 7 percent comes from Eurasians who probably arrived in the Levant 3,700 to 2,200 years ago. Study coauthor Chris Tyler-Smith, a geneticist at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Hinxton, England, was surprised by how much Canaanite heritage dominated modern Lebanese DNA. He says he expected to see a more mixed gene pool because so many populations have crossed through the Levant in the last few thousand years."


    This seems to be one where the Greek historians got it wrong:

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    Greek historians thought the Canaanites originated near the Persian Gulf, whereas archaeological records suggest they arose from farming communities that settled the Levant up to 10,000 years ago. For another, the Old Testament makes reference to the destruction of Canaanite communities, but some of their cities, such as Sidon in Lebanon, appear to have been continually inhabited through the present day. "



    I'll have to drill down into the paper and see if they compared the remains to Jewish groups.


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    Interesting PCA from this Haber paper. So, these Canaanite samples are very close to Jordan Bronze Age.

    I wonder if the one European Bronze Age sample which clusters near the European Chalcolithic/Neolithic is the Hungarian Bronze Age sample? If anyone finds out could you report back?

    Is it most of Spain and Portugal which has no European Bronze Age samples near it? That would correlate with the new paper which came out.

    Click to enlarge.

    Attachment 8977

    This is perhaps a better graphic:

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    Bronze Age Levant/Jordan comes again in center of Semitic people.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Bronze Age Levant/Jordan comes again in center of Semitic people.
    Indeed. This is their admixture chart:

    Sidon Canaanites are very similar to Jordan Bronze Age.

    Interestingly, they don't show that Iran Neolithic/Chl, CHG like ancestry in the steppe or Indo-European populations, just Anatolia Neolithic. That's confusing.

    Also confusing, since the Bronze Age the Lebanese have gotten a chunk of EHG. With whom? Or, rather, from whom? Also, it looks like a bit more than 10% of their total ancestry.

    They're not showing much difference between Anatolia Neolithic and Levant Neolithic either, which there was.

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    Here is modern sample. 2 populations. 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Canaanite


    1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
    2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
    3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
    4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
    5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
    6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
    7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
    8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
    9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
    10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
    11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
    12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
    13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
    14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
    16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
    17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
    19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
    20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29


    1 62.7% Hungarians + 37.3% Russian @ 1.4
    2 81.3% Mixed_Slav + 18.7% Andalucia @ 1.52
    3 73.6% Russian_B + 26.4% Cataluna @ 1.61
    4 75.2% Hungarians + 24.8% Finnish @ 1.62
    5 74.1% Hungarians + 25.9% Lithuanians @ 1.64
    6 74.8% Russian + 25.2% Baleares @ 1.65
    7 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Baleares @ 1.67
    8 74.5% Russian_B + 25.5% Spaniards @ 1.7
    9 57.2% Ukranians + 42.8% German @ 1.73
    10 71.1% Hungarians + 28.9% Lithuanian @ 1.73
    11 56.6% Hungarians + 43.4% Mixed_Slav @ 1.74
    12 75.6% Russian_B + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.75
    13 68.2% Ukranians + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic @ 1.79
    14 74% Hungarians + 26% FIN30 @ 1.8
    15 80.2% Mixed_Slav + 19.8% Spaniards @ 1.81
    16 66% Russian_B + 34% French @ 1.82
    17 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Extremadura @ 1.83
    18 83.7% Russian + 16.3% Sardinian @ 1.84
    19 74% Russian + 26% North_Italian @ 1.88
    20 75.5% Russian_B + 24.5% Valencia @ 1.88

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    Interestingly, they don't show that Iran Neolithic/Chl, CHG like ancestry in the steppe or Indo-European populations, just Anatolia Neolithic. That's confusing.
    They probably associated this part of CHG to Steppe/Yamnaya component first, and subtracted this similarity from Iran Neolithic. I wish they produced Iranian Neolithic first, according to timeline, before they worked on Steppe.

    This is probably the reason why so much Steppe shows in Armenian Bronze and modern Lebanon. In reality it should be half of it.


    Also confusing, since the Bronze Age the Lebanese have gotten a chunk of EHG. With whom? Or, rather, from whom? Also, it looks like a bit more than 10% of their total ancestry.
    EHG and Steppe EMBA is the same for them.



    They're not showing much difference between Anatolia Neolithic and Levant Neolithic either, which there was.
    Exactly. They were not careful enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    They probably associated this part of CHG to Steppe/Yamnaya component first, and subtracted this similarity from Iran Neolithic. I wish they produced Iranian Neolithic first, according to timeline, before they worked on Steppe.

    This is probably the reason why so much Steppe shows in Armenian Bronze and modern Lebanon. In reality it should be half of it.



    EHG and Steppe EMBA is the same for them.




    Exactly. They were not careful enough.
    I agree with all of that. It sheds doubt on some of their conclusions, at least as to the population movements of the past. I wish Lazaridis/the Reich group would get involved again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I agree with all of that. It sheds doubt on some of their conclusions, at least as to the population movements of the past. I wish Lazaridis/the Reich group would get involved again.
    Yes, and they might be leaving out Anatolian Neolithic contribution to Levant Bronze, using these grossly simplified ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    According to the paper the Canaanites are alive and well. They're the Lebanese. :)
    According to this page (I guess authoritative page), not more than 17.5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Interesting PCA from this Haber paper. So, these Canaanite samples are very close to Jordan Bronze Age.

    I wonder if the one European Bronze Age sample which clusters near the European Chalcolithic/Neolithic is the Hungarian Bronze Age sample? If anyone finds out could you report back?

    Is it most of Spain and Portugal which has no European Bronze Age samples near it? That would correlate with the new paper which came out.

    Click to enlarge.

    Attachment 8977

    This is perhaps a better graphic:
    Yes they surely are the Lebanese and Sephardics, Canaanites are however not Ashkenazi, Khazarians based off DNA findings.


    Here is modern sample. 2 populations. 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Canaanite


    1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
    2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
    3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
    4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
    5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
    6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
    7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
    8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
    9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
    10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
    11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
    12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
    13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
    14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
    16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
    17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
    19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
    20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29


    1 62.7% Hungarians + 37.3% Russian @ 1.4
    2 81.3% Mixed_Slav + 18.7% Andalucia @ 1.52
    3 73.6% Russian_B + 26.4% Cataluna @ 1.61
    4 75.2% Hungarians + 24.8% Finnish @ 1.62
    5 74.1% Hungarians + 25.9% Lithuanians @ 1.64
    6 74.8% Russian + 25.2% Baleares @ 1.65
    7 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Baleares @ 1.67
    8 74.5% Russian_B + 25.5% Spaniards @ 1.7
    9 57.2% Ukranians + 42.8% German @ 1.73
    10 71.1% Hungarians + 28.9% Lithuanian @ 1.73
    11 56.6% Hungarians + 43.4% Mixed_Slav @ 1.74
    12 75.6% Russian_B + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.75
    13 68.2% Ukranians + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic @ 1.79
    14 74% Hungarians + 26% FIN30 @ 1.8
    15 80.2% Mixed_Slav + 19.8% Spaniards @ 1.81
    16 66% Russian_B + 34% French @ 1.82
    17 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Extremadura @ 1.83
    18 83.7% Russian + 16.3% Sardinian @ 1.84
    19 74% Russian + 26% North_Italian @ 1.88
    20 75.5% Russian_B + 24.5% Valencia @ 1.88

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingslav View Post
    Yes they surely are the Lebanese and Sephardics, Canaanites are however not Ashkenazi, Khazarians based off DNA findings.


    Here is modern sample. 2 populations. 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Canaanite


    1 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.72
    2 87.1% Estonian + 12.9% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.8
    3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.88
    4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.91
    5 70.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.1% Estonian @ 5.94
    6 87.9% Estonian + 12.1% Cyprian @ 5.95
    7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.99
    8 77.4% Ukrainian + 22.6% Estonian @ 6.06
    9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.14
    10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
    11 84.7% Estonian + 15.3% Central_Greek @ 6.17
    12 85.9% Estonian + 14.1% South_Italian @ 6.18
    13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
    14 97.9% Ukrainian + 2.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.21
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% East_Sicilian @ 6.23
    16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
    17 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
    19 98.3% Ukrainian + 1.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
    20 84.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.9% Lithuanian @ 6.29


    1 62.7% Hungarians + 37.3% Russian @ 1.4
    2 81.3% Mixed_Slav + 18.7% Andalucia @ 1.52
    3 73.6% Russian_B + 26.4% Cataluna @ 1.61
    4 75.2% Hungarians + 24.8% Finnish @ 1.62
    5 74.1% Hungarians + 25.9% Lithuanians @ 1.64
    6 74.8% Russian + 25.2% Baleares @ 1.65
    7 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Baleares @ 1.67
    8 74.5% Russian_B + 25.5% Spaniards @ 1.7
    9 57.2% Ukranians + 42.8% German @ 1.73
    10 71.1% Hungarians + 28.9% Lithuanian @ 1.73
    11 56.6% Hungarians + 43.4% Mixed_Slav @ 1.74
    12 75.6% Russian_B + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.75
    13 68.2% Ukranians + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic @ 1.79
    14 74% Hungarians + 26% FIN30 @ 1.8
    15 80.2% Mixed_Slav + 19.8% Spaniards @ 1.81
    16 66% Russian_B + 34% French @ 1.82
    17 79.4% Mixed_Slav + 20.6% Extremadura @ 1.83
    18 83.7% Russian + 16.3% Sardinian @ 1.84
    19 74% Russian + 26% North_Italian @ 1.88
    20 75.5% Russian_B + 24.5% Valencia @ 1.88

    Modern samples from which populations? Which calculators? What do these people have to do with Canaanites?

    Ashkenazim have too much European ancestry to be as close as Christian Lebanese, which I believe is the sample which was used here in the subject paper.

    However, I've seen Ashkenazi results from calculators which show them to be about 50% Canaanite/Lebanese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Modern samples from which populations? Which calculators? What do these people have to do with Canaanites?

    Ashkenazim have too much European ancestry to be as close as Christian Lebanese, which I believe is the sample which was used here in the subject paper.

    However, I've seen Ashkenazi results from calculators which show them to be about 50% Canaanite/Lebanese.
    I posted oracles for modern Southwestern Ukrainian, with 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Sephardic/Canaanite

    First oracle Eurogenes K13, second oracle Dodecad K12b

    As for Ashkenazi/Khazarians they share much of their ethnic roots with Italic people, from settling northern and central Italy. However this Italic input, does not make them related to biblical Canaanites, and they often will use Gedmatch oracles and slick manuevering to trick the less educated to believe that Khazars are rooted from Levant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingslav View Post
    I posted oracles for modern Southwestern Ukrainian, with 7/8 Slavic 1/8 Sephardic/Canaanite

    First oracle Eurogenes K13, second oracle Dodecad K12b

    As for Ashkenazi/Khazarians they share much of their ethnic roots with Italic people, from settling northern and central Italy. However this Italic input, does not make them related to biblical Canaanites, and they often will use Gedmatch oracles and slick manuevering to trick the less educated to believe that Khazars are rooted from Levant.
    What relevance do Ukrainians and their calculator results have to a paper about ancient Canaanite dna or even its relationship to Jews?

    I really would suggest using the search engine to read up on these topics. You seem to be pretty confused about population genetics. Nothing wrong with that. It takes a while to get a handle on all these papers.

    Ashkenazim are not Khazarians. That is a now totally discredited idea which was put forth by one Israeli academic. It was resoundingly disputed by many Jewish researchers including Behar.

    Ashkenazim are descendants of a Levantine population mixed with a European population. This has been proved over and over again, including with IBD analysis. Italics didn't "settle" the Near East, and Ashkenazim didn't "settle" Italy. Ashkenazim formed as a population somewhere in the Rhineland or further east in eastern Europe. Some of the people who contributed to their ethnogenesis may have been Jews who had spent some time on the Italian peninsula. The problem with this very popular theory is that there is no particular IBD sharing between Italians and Ashkenazim, so the mixing population may have been Greek like or Islander like instead.

    Ancient dna and time will tell.

    You can start with this thread. If you want older ones just let me know.
    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...h+ethnogenesis

    This is by no means settled. Without simulations, Xue et al found it just as likely that Ashkenazim are a straight mix between Middle Easterners and East Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    What relevance do Ukrainians and their calculator results have to a paper about ancient Canaanite dna or even its relationship to Jews?

    I really would suggest using the search engine to read up on these topics. You seem to be pretty confused about population genetics. Nothing wrong with that. It takes a while to get a handle on all these papers.

    Ashkenazim are not Khazarians. That is a now totally discredited idea which was put forth by one Israeli academic. It was resoundingly disputed by many Jewish researchers including Behar.

    Ashkenazim are descendants of a Levantine population mixed with a European population. This has been proved over and over again, including with IBD analysis. Italics didn't "settle" the Near East, and Ashkenazim didn't "settle" Italy. Ashkenazim formed as a population somewhere in the Rhineland or further east in eastern Europe. Some of the people who contributed to their ethnogenesis may have been Jews who had spent some time on the Italian peninsula. The problem with this very popular theory is that there is no particular IBD sharing between Italians and Ashkenazim, so the mixing population may have been Greek like or Islander like instead.

    Ancient dna and time will tell.

    You can start with this thread. If you want older ones just let me know.
    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...h+ethnogenesis

    This is by no means settled. Without simulations, Xue et al found it just as likely that Ashkenazim are a straight mix between Middle Easterners and East Europeans.
    This not true, they score very High Italian admix on K36 that peaks in Tuscany, Italy. This Italian score % is indicitive of AJ settling within Italian peninsula. They are also far less Levantine/Mediterranean shifted than Sephardi or mixed Jews.

    Ashkenazi K36- Highest region, 17.43 Italian

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 2.43%
    Armenian 6.08%
    Basque 1.91%
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 1.74%
    East_African -
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    Malayan -
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    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingslav View Post
    This not true, they score very High Italian admix on K36 that peaks in Tuscany, Italy. This Italian score % is indicitive of AJ settling within Italian peninsula. They are also far less Levantine/Mediterranean shifted than Sephardi or mixed Jews.
    This is another thing you'll have to explore...the difference between IBS sharing and IBD sharing. The best thing is to google the terms.

    IBS sharing is similar sharing of admixture from ancient population groups. IBD sharing is actual DESCENT. The calculator you're speaking about has nothing to do with IBD sharing-it isn't measuring that.

    The 2016 thread just posted is too old. Better start with the link I provided, which is where Xue updates her earlier analysis. The 2016 one is good for background, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingslav View Post
    This not true, they score very High Italian admix on K36 that peaks in Tuscany, Italy. This Italian score % is indicitive of AJ settling within Italian peninsula. They are also far less Levantine/Mediterranean shifted than Sephardi or mixed Jews.
    This is the best thread here regarding Ashkenazim genetics:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...azim-Xue-et-al
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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    This is the best thread here regarding Ashkenazim genetics:

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...azim-Xue-et-al
    I study this group already, can you explain the high Italian % within Ashkenazi population?

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    @Kingslav,
    I would suggest you read it again after you find out the difference between IBS and IBD.

    This is a graphic for IBD sharing between Ashkenazim and other populations:


    Perennially interesting as this topic is, it's not the topic of this thread. You can continue this discussion here...

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...h+ethnogenesis

    I was always rather fond of the Northern Italian/Tuscan wives theory of Ashkenazi ethnogenesis, but some researcher is going to have to figure out why there's no sign of it through IBD analysis, which there should be if it happened within the last 1000 or even 1500 years. That's not so far back that it couldn't be detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Kingslav,
    I would suggest you read it again after you find out the difference between IBS and IBD.

    This is a graphic for IBD sharing between Ashkenazim and other populations:


    Perennially interesting as this topic is, it's not the topic of this thread. You can continue this discussion here...

    http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...h+ethnogenesis

    I was always rather fond of the Northern Italian/Tuscan wives theory of Ashkenazi ethnogenesis, but some researcher is going to have to figure out why there's no sign of it through IBD analysis, which there should be if it happened within the last 1000 or even 1500 years. That's not so far back that it couldn't be detected.
    Ok back to Canaanites, it is true Lebanese are likely closest to Canaanites, also there close relatives Sephardics continue to carry this genetic though slightly diluted amount than Lebanese. Sephardic settled Iberia, South France, eventually Ottoman Region, East Europe, Dutch, others and blended into population. There Levantine genetics live in some modern Euro population but is usually forgotten or undermined by many western historical chroniclers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingslav View Post
    Ok back to Canaanites, it is true Lebanese are likely closest to Canaanites, also there close relatives Sephardics continue to carry this genetic though slightly diluted amount than Lebanese. Sephardic settled Iberia, South France, eventually Ottoman Region, East Europe, Dutch, others and blended into population. There Levantine genetics live in some modern Euro population but is usually forgotten or undermined by many western historical chroniclers.

    I think that generally speaking real changes in the genome (autosomal dna) are the result of mass folk migrations. However, it's certainly true that individuals may have unknown ancestors in their family tree from some much smaller migration.

    At the same time, any actual autosomal trace of some specific individual from a distant place could disappear within two-three hundred years of admixture solely with "natives". Depending on the individual case, person X might have absolutely no dna even from a great-great grandparent.

    That's why although I have a very extensive family tree I'm not very interested in most of the people on it. I may have none or extremely little of their "specific" dna at all, i.e. no IBD sharing with them, although in broad terms we share ancestry from the same clusters of people.

    https://dna-explained.com/2017/04/21...ancestors-dna/

    Btw, no reason you can't discuss Ashkenazi genesis if you're interested. Just go to the thread to which I linked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think that generally speaking real changes in the genome (autosomal dna) are the result of mass folk migrations. However, it's certainly true that individuals may have unknown ancestors in their family tree from some much smaller migration.

    At the same time, any actual autosomal trace of some specific individual from a distant place could disappear within two-three hundred years of admixture solely with "natives". Depending on the individual case, person X might have absolutely no dna even from a great-great grandparent.

    That's why although I have a very extensive family tree I'm not very interested in most of the people on it. I may have none or extremely little of their "specific" dna at all, i.e. no IBD sharing with them, although in broad terms we share ancestry from the same clusters of people.

    https://dna-explained.com/2017/04/21...ancestors-dna/

    Btw, no reason you can't discuss Ashkenazi genesis if you're interested. Just go to the thread to which I linked.
    I am mostly Sephardi, Canaanite. My Ashkenazi could be 1.2% Mediterranean Islander from DNALAND says Cypriot, Sicilian. That 1.2% is only bit I show among all DNA tests. This goes parallel with my extremely low 1.11 Italian in K36. My Sephardic ancestors would have mixed potentially with Romaniote, Italkim, Ashkenazi.

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    @Kingslav,
    If those are your results, you are not mostly Canaanite. You're a run of the mill Ukrainian.

    Until you get serious in your comments, prepare to be ignored.

    When people are willfully uninformed, they waste other peoples' time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Kingslav,
    If those are your results, you are not mostly Canaanite. You're a run of the mill Ukrainian.

    Until you get serious in your comments, prepare to be ignored.

    When people are willfully uninformed, they waste other peoples' time.
    Why am I wasting time, I am here to discuss Canaanite genetics of my own, I invite you to examine my oracles with closer scope, I am firstly more South Slavic shifted over majority if not all Ukrainians, I also score over double East Med and West Med than Ukrainian average this proves my Mediterranean shift from Ukrainians. Also I score Levant, Caucasus which less likely in Ukraine. I also am first sample from Ukraine with K36 African from 55 samples tested. Or I can be generalized "run of mill Ukrainian"

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    So now you are not pure Slav, but a Jew, Turk and Canaanite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    So now you are not pure Slav, but a Jew, Turk and Canaanite?
    Sure I am, dont forget Tatar,

    With my 99.5% East Europe I am higher than you Rethel

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