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    Eurogenes K36

    Hello!

    So, I recently imported data from Ancestry to GEDMatch, and have found that most admixture population-sharing runs result in rather high numbers, even among four populations. For instance, the lowest number K13 yields is 4.70...

    Therefore, I tried K36, and found very interesting results that I could use people's input on:

    North Sea: 24.29
    Iberian: 17.03
    North Atlantic: 12.73
    Fennoscandian: 11.77
    Italian: 7.41
    Central European: 7.13
    North Caucasus: 6.03
    French: 5.12
    East-Central European: 4.83
    South Asian: 1.89
    South-Central Asian: 0.46
    Armenian: 0.40
    East Mediterranean: 0.25
    Amerindian: 0.24
    East Balkan: 0.19
    West Caucasian: 0.18
    Eastern European: 0.06

    So, what might this say about where my more recent ancestors are from? Also, is the reason that Eurogenes population-sharing doesn't provide low numbers because there are so many Asian populations (e.g., North Caucasian)?

    Would it be reasonable for me to conclude, by the way, that I'm part-Spanish? I don't know the majority of my biological family, so tracing my ancestry has posed s challenge. Any help is appreciated!

    Thanks,
    Alina

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    Interesting. So, Eurogenes simply won't yield low distance numbers for me. I'm guessing it's because other calculators show a lot of ancestry from the Caucasus. That said, what is a good calculator for me to get an accurate representation of my ancestry?
    Alina

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc93 View Post
    Hello!

    So, I recently imported data from Ancestry to GEDMatch, and have found that most admixture population-sharing runs result in rather high numbers, even among four populations. For instance, the lowest number K13 yields is 4.70...

    Therefore, I tried K36, and found very interesting results that I could use people's input on:

    North Sea: 24.29
    Iberian: 17.03
    North Atlantic: 12.73
    Fennoscandian: 11.77
    Italian: 7.41
    Central European: 7.13
    North Caucasus: 6.03
    French: 5.12
    East-Central European: 4.83
    South Asian: 1.89
    South-Central Asian: 0.46
    Armenian: 0.40
    East Mediterranean: 0.25
    Amerindian: 0.24
    East Balkan: 0.19
    West Caucasian: 0.18
    Eastern European: 0.06

    So, what might this say about where my more recent ancestors are from? Also, is the reason that Eurogenes population-sharing doesn't provide low numbers because there are so many Asian populations (e.g., North Caucasian)?

    Would it be reasonable for me to conclude, by the way, that I'm part-Spanish? I don't know the majority of my biological family, so tracing my ancestry has posed s challenge. Any help is appreciated!

    Thanks,
    Alina

    No:) You results are British. This iis according to "unofficial" oracle for K36 (337 populations). There is no thread for this on this forum, so I think I can post link.

    Admix4

    Least-squares method.
    Code:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 Northern_Ireland @ 10,863925
    3 England_Cumberland @ 11,15813
    4 British_mixed @ 11,196625
    5 Scotland @ 11,790567
    6 SE_England @ 12,052649
    7 NW-England @ 12,136819
    8 Welsh @ 12,399829
    9 Orcadian @ 12,399971
    10 Flemish @ 12,421038
    11 France_NorthEast @ 12,807576
    12 Waloon @ 12,965164
    13 SW-England @ 13,020133
    14 South_Dutch @ 13,070942
    15 Ireland @ 13,275472
    16 Central_Dutch @ 13,730117
    17 Denmark @ 13,745303
    18 North_Dutch @ 13,948968
    19 German_North @ 14,288769
    20 France_NorthWest @ 14,343813
    337 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 NE-England+NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 9,621326
    3 France_NorthEast+NE-England @ 9,760849
    4 NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,772082
    5 British_mixed+NE-England @ 9,825754
    6 SE_England+NE-England @ 9,928811
    7 Waloon+NE-England @ 9,96123
    8 Flemish+NE-England @ 9,973526
    9 Scotland+NE-England @ 10,05747
    10 South_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,075903
    11 NW-England+NE-England @ 10,302507
    12 NE-England+Welsh @ 10,306563
    13 Denmark+NE-England @ 10,357313
    14 Orcadian+NE-England @ 10,408509
    15 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch @ 10,41192
    16 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland @ 10,413854
    17 Central_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,44167
    18 North_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,472422
    19 Waloon+Northern_Ireland @ 10,581672
    20 Flemish+Northern_Ireland @ 10,622204
    56953 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% NE-England @ 8,927352
    2 50% NE-England +25% Waloon +25% NE-England @ 9,063877
    3 50% NE-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 9,133485
    4 50% NE-England +25% South_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,139633
    5 50% NE-England +25% Flemish +25% NE-England @ 9,168663
    6 50% NE-England +25% SE_England +25% NE-England @ 9,193687
    7 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% North_Dutch @ 9,205919
    8 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% England_Cumberland @ 9,208878
    9 50% NE-England +25% British_mixed +25% NE-England @ 9,245797
    10 50% NE-England +25% Denmark +25% NE-England @ 9,251217
    11 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Northern_Ireland @ 9,261575
    12 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Denmark @ 9,264253
    13 50% NE-England +25% North_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,310114
    14 50% NE-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,324863
    15 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Norway @ 9,3319
    16 50% NE-England +25% Scotland +25% NE-England @ 9,339891
    17 50% NE-England +25% Waloon +25% Northern_Ireland @ 9,38754
    18 50% NE-England +25% Norway +25% NE-England @ 9,409307
    19 50% NE-England +25% German_West +25% NE-England @ 9,424721
    20 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% British_mixed @ 9,437198
    14777447 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 8,927352
    3 Waloon+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,063877
    4 Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,133485
    5 South_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,139633
    6 Flemish+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,168663
    7 SE_England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,193687
    8 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,205919
    9 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,208878
    10 British_mixed+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,245797
    11 Denmark+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,251217
    12 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,261575
    13 France_NorthEast+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,264253
    14 North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,310114
    15 Central_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,324863
    16 France_NorthEast+Norway+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,3319
    17 Scotland+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,339891
    18 Waloon+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,38754
    19 Norway+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,409307
    20 German_West+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,424721
    21 France_NorthEast+British_mixed+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,437198
    22 Waloon+North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,442549
    23 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 9,444347
    24 German_North+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,451163
    25 Sweden+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,475377
    26 NW-England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,483653
    27 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,484723
    28 France_NorthEast+Scotland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,493147
    29 Flemish+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,496841
    30 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,502139
    31 Waloon+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,517942
    32 Orcadian+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,527807
    33 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland+Denmark+NE-England @ 9,555029
    34 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 9,560958
    35 France_NorthEast+Sweden+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,561009
    36 France_NorthEast+Central_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,566816
    37 Northern_Ireland+SE_England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,56781
    38 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 9,573952
    39 Northern_Ireland+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,578203
    40 France_NorthEast+SE_England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,599211
    383324240 iterations.

    Gaussian method.
    Code:
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 SW-England @ 4,604578
    2 England_Cumberland @ 4,940803
    3 Scotland @ 5,157725
    4 NE-England @ 5,52364
    5 Norway @ 5,530363
    6 Ireland @ 5,548237
    7 Welsh @ 5,553939
    8 Northern_Ireland @ 5,578761
    9 France_NorthWest @ 5,590821
    10 FR_Bretagne @ 5,641693
    11 Orcadian @ 5,713186
    12 France_NorthEast @ 5,773979
    13 South_Dutch @ 5,779553
    14 British_mixed @ 5,787854
    15 Flemish @ 5,816885
    16 NW-England @ 5,906252
    17 Waloon @ 5,95316
    18 North_Dutch @ 5,994254
    19 SE_England @ 5,994995
    20 German_North @ 6,04086
    337 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 SW-England+Welsh @ 4,336243
    2 Northern_Ireland+SW-England @ 4,430064
    3 Ireland+SW-England @ 4,448067
    4 SW-England+NE-England @ 4,455066
    5 France_NorthEast+SW-England @ 4,471885
    6 South_Dutch+SW-England @ 4,52195
    7 Orcadian+SW-England @ 4,601801
    8 SW-England+SW-England @ 4,604578
    9 FR_Bretagne+SW-England @ 4,612463
    10 British_mixed+SW-England @ 4,61416
    11 Scotland+SW-England @ 4,641335
    12 SW-England+England_Cumberland @ 4,678144
    13 Waloon+SW-England @ 4,761678
    14 North_Dutch+SW-England @ 4,792728
    15 NW-England+SW-England @ 4,825849
    16 England_Cumberland+Welsh @ 4,866015
    17 Norway+SW-England @ 4,869327
    18 France_NorthEast+Norway @ 4,874029
    19 Norway+Welsh @ 4,881814
    20 FR_Bretagne+Norway @ 4,882501
    56953 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% SW-England +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 4,336243
    2 50% SW-England +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 4,35835
    3 50% SW-England +25% SW-England +25% Welsh @ 4,367838
    4 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh @ 4,375167
    5 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Welsh @ 4,387085
    6 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 4,397951
    7 50% SW-England +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,403736
    8 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% NE-England @ 4,413107
    9 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,414331
    10 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% SW-England @ 4,423231
    11 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,424755
    12 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,426104
    13 50% Northern_Ireland +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4,430064
    14 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland @ 4,433262
    15 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,439295
    16 50% SW-England +25% England_Cumberland +25% Welsh @ 4,440272
    17 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% SW-England @ 4,440538
    18 50% SW-England +25% Orcadian +25% Welsh @ 4,444198
    19 50% SW-England +25% British_mixed +25% Welsh @ 4,447057
    20 50% Ireland +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4,448067
    16706519 iterations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    No:) You results are British. This iis according to "unofficial" oracle for K36 (337 populations). There is no thread for this on this forum, so I think I can post link.

    Admix4

    Least-squares method.
    Code:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 Northern_Ireland @ 10,863925
    3 England_Cumberland @ 11,15813
    4 British_mixed @ 11,196625
    5 Scotland @ 11,790567
    6 SE_England @ 12,052649
    7 NW-England @ 12,136819
    8 Welsh @ 12,399829
    9 Orcadian @ 12,399971
    10 Flemish @ 12,421038
    11 France_NorthEast @ 12,807576
    12 Waloon @ 12,965164
    13 SW-England @ 13,020133
    14 South_Dutch @ 13,070942
    15 Ireland @ 13,275472
    16 Central_Dutch @ 13,730117
    17 Denmark @ 13,745303
    18 North_Dutch @ 13,948968
    19 German_North @ 14,288769
    20 France_NorthWest @ 14,343813
    337 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 NE-England+NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 9,621326
    3 France_NorthEast+NE-England @ 9,760849
    4 NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,772082
    5 British_mixed+NE-England @ 9,825754
    6 SE_England+NE-England @ 9,928811
    7 Waloon+NE-England @ 9,96123
    8 Flemish+NE-England @ 9,973526
    9 Scotland+NE-England @ 10,05747
    10 South_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,075903
    11 NW-England+NE-England @ 10,302507
    12 NE-England+Welsh @ 10,306563
    13 Denmark+NE-England @ 10,357313
    14 Orcadian+NE-England @ 10,408509
    15 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch @ 10,41192
    16 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland @ 10,413854
    17 Central_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,44167
    18 North_Dutch+NE-England @ 10,472422
    19 Waloon+Northern_Ireland @ 10,581672
    20 Flemish+Northern_Ireland @ 10,622204
    56953 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% NE-England @ 8,927352
    2 50% NE-England +25% Waloon +25% NE-England @ 9,063877
    3 50% NE-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 9,133485
    4 50% NE-England +25% South_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,139633
    5 50% NE-England +25% Flemish +25% NE-England @ 9,168663
    6 50% NE-England +25% SE_England +25% NE-England @ 9,193687
    7 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% North_Dutch @ 9,205919
    8 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% England_Cumberland @ 9,208878
    9 50% NE-England +25% British_mixed +25% NE-England @ 9,245797
    10 50% NE-England +25% Denmark +25% NE-England @ 9,251217
    11 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Northern_Ireland @ 9,261575
    12 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Denmark @ 9,264253
    13 50% NE-England +25% North_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,310114
    14 50% NE-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 9,324863
    15 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Norway @ 9,3319
    16 50% NE-England +25% Scotland +25% NE-England @ 9,339891
    17 50% NE-England +25% Waloon +25% Northern_Ireland @ 9,38754
    18 50% NE-England +25% Norway +25% NE-England @ 9,409307
    19 50% NE-England +25% German_West +25% NE-England @ 9,424721
    20 50% NE-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% British_mixed @ 9,437198
    14777447 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 8,755375
    2 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 8,927352
    3 Waloon+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,063877
    4 Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,133485
    5 South_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,139633
    6 Flemish+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,168663
    7 SE_England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,193687
    8 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,205919
    9 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,208878
    10 British_mixed+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,245797
    11 Denmark+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,251217
    12 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,261575
    13 France_NorthEast+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,264253
    14 North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,310114
    15 Central_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,324863
    16 France_NorthEast+Norway+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,3319
    17 Scotland+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,339891
    18 Waloon+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,38754
    19 Norway+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,409307
    20 German_West+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,424721
    21 France_NorthEast+British_mixed+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,437198
    22 Waloon+North_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,442549
    23 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 9,444347
    24 German_North+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,451163
    25 Sweden+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,475377
    26 NW-England+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,483653
    27 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 9,484723
    28 France_NorthEast+Scotland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,493147
    29 Flemish+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,496841
    30 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,502139
    31 Waloon+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,517942
    32 Orcadian+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,527807
    33 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland+Denmark+NE-England @ 9,555029
    34 France_NorthEast+North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 9,560958
    35 France_NorthEast+Sweden+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,561009
    36 France_NorthEast+Central_Dutch+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,566816
    37 Northern_Ireland+SE_England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,56781
    38 France_NorthEast+NE-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 9,573952
    39 Northern_Ireland+Denmark+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,578203
    40 France_NorthEast+SE_England+NE-England+NE-England @ 9,599211
    383324240 iterations.

    Gaussian method.
    Code:
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 SW-England @ 4,604578
    2 England_Cumberland @ 4,940803
    3 Scotland @ 5,157725
    4 NE-England @ 5,52364
    5 Norway @ 5,530363
    6 Ireland @ 5,548237
    7 Welsh @ 5,553939
    8 Northern_Ireland @ 5,578761
    9 France_NorthWest @ 5,590821
    10 FR_Bretagne @ 5,641693
    11 Orcadian @ 5,713186
    12 France_NorthEast @ 5,773979
    13 South_Dutch @ 5,779553
    14 British_mixed @ 5,787854
    15 Flemish @ 5,816885
    16 NW-England @ 5,906252
    17 Waloon @ 5,95316
    18 North_Dutch @ 5,994254
    19 SE_England @ 5,994995
    20 German_North @ 6,04086
    337 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 SW-England+Welsh @ 4,336243
    2 Northern_Ireland+SW-England @ 4,430064
    3 Ireland+SW-England @ 4,448067
    4 SW-England+NE-England @ 4,455066
    5 France_NorthEast+SW-England @ 4,471885
    6 South_Dutch+SW-England @ 4,52195
    7 Orcadian+SW-England @ 4,601801
    8 SW-England+SW-England @ 4,604578
    9 FR_Bretagne+SW-England @ 4,612463
    10 British_mixed+SW-England @ 4,61416
    11 Scotland+SW-England @ 4,641335
    12 SW-England+England_Cumberland @ 4,678144
    13 Waloon+SW-England @ 4,761678
    14 North_Dutch+SW-England @ 4,792728
    15 NW-England+SW-England @ 4,825849
    16 England_Cumberland+Welsh @ 4,866015
    17 Norway+SW-England @ 4,869327
    18 France_NorthEast+Norway @ 4,874029
    19 Norway+Welsh @ 4,881814
    20 FR_Bretagne+Norway @ 4,882501
    56953 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% SW-England +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 4,336243
    2 50% SW-England +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 4,35835
    3 50% SW-England +25% SW-England +25% Welsh @ 4,367838
    4 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh @ 4,375167
    5 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Welsh @ 4,387085
    6 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 4,397951
    7 50% SW-England +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,403736
    8 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% NE-England @ 4,413107
    9 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,414331
    10 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% SW-England @ 4,423231
    11 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,424755
    12 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,426104
    13 50% Northern_Ireland +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4,430064
    14 50% SW-England +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland @ 4,433262
    15 50% SW-England +25% France_NorthEast +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,439295
    16 50% SW-England +25% England_Cumberland +25% Welsh @ 4,440272
    17 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% SW-England @ 4,440538
    18 50% SW-England +25% Orcadian +25% Welsh @ 4,444198
    19 50% SW-England +25% British_mixed +25% Welsh @ 4,447057
    20 50% Ireland +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4,448067
    16706519 iterations.
    How I can do this oracles for my K36 result?

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    Country: United States



    There's obviously more than British, though, if the lowest result is 4+, though, and especially 8+. That's common sense.

    Every other calculator shows lower-numbered distances, like how MDLP K23b yields 1 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ + Icelandic_ + Icelandic_ + Orcadian_ 1.045359

    Eurogenes won't show anything nearly that low for me. Is MDLP thus more reliable?

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945..Jura
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a1 ..Pannoni

    Ethnic group
    North Alpine Italian
    Country: Australia



    my results after removing my maternal data using a phasing system................so below is only my paternal info


    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 IT_Veneto @ 13.946281
    2 IT_North @ 15.281612
    3 Swiss_Italian @ 15.786801
    4 IT_Piedmont @ 15.979232
    5 IT_Aosta @ 16.147973
    6 IT_Friuli @ 16.767796
    7 IT_Tuscany @ 17.079145
    8 Austria_Tyrol @ 17.376762
    9 France_Central @ 17.498068
    10 Swiss_German @ 18.420885
    11 Albania_Montenegro @ 19.981618
    12 IT_Marche @ 19.982522
    13 FR_Corsica @ 20.408603
    14 Kosovo @ 20.428073
    15 France @ 20.715199
    16 Albania_North @ 20.743475
    17 South_Germany @ 20.872456
    18 Albania_FYROM @ 21.3256
    19 Albania_South @ 21.610696
    20 German_West @ 21.651986
    337 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 13.946281
    2 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 14.024402
    3 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 14.096226
    4 IT_North+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.337825
    5 IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 14.4367
    6 IT_Tuscany+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.552076
    7 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto @ 14.556051
    8 IT_Piedmont+IT_Veneto @ 14.617831
    9 IT_Veneto+France_Central @ 14.837164
    10 Swiss_Italian+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.843483
    11 IT_Tuscany+Swiss_German @ 14.962496
    12 IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.97638
    13 IT_Tuscany+France_Central @ 14.988807
    14 IT_North+Swiss_German @ 15.157841
    15 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 15.196031
    16 IT_North+France_Central @ 15.214999
    17 IT_Piedmont+Austria_Tyrol @ 15.242817
    18 IT_Tuscany+South_Germany @ 15.263788
    19 IT_Tuscany+France_NorthWest @ 15.266048
    20 IT_North+IT_North @ 15.281612
    56953 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian @ 13.813466
    2 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% IT_Veneto @ 13.82964
    3 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 13.962316
    4 50% IT_North +25% IT_Veneto +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 13.969438
    5 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Veneto @ 13.977977
    6 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% Swiss_Italian @ 13.996919
    7 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Aosta @ 14.023413
    8 50% IT_North +25% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto @ 14.024402
    9 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 14.029251
    10 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% France_Central @ 14.051376
    11 50% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 14.059984
    12 50% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Swiss_Italian @ 14.096226
    13 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% France_Central @ 14.100459
    14 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% IT_Aosta @ 14.119106
    15 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% France_Central @ 14.134013
    16 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Swiss_Italian @ 14.135126
    17 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Aosta +25% Swiss_Italian @ 14.170995
    18 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Aosta @ 14.183727
    19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Piedmont +25% IT_Veneto @ 14.187346
    20 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Sardinia +25% Central_Dutch @ 14.204486
    16429119 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 13.813466
    2 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 13.82964
    3 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 13.946281
    4 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 13.962316
    5 IT_North+IT_North+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 13.969438
    6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 13.977977
    7 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 13.996919
    8 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 14.023413
    9 IT_North+IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 14.024402
    10 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.029251
    11 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_Central @ 14.051376
    12 IT_North+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.055572
    13 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.059984
    14 IT_Tuscany+IT_North+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.083063
    15 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Swiss_Italian @ 14.096226
    16 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_Central @ 14.100459
    17 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.113677
    18 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 14.119106
    19 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_Central @ 14.134013
    20 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 14.135126
    21 IT_Tuscany+IT_North+IT_Veneto+Central_Dutch @ 14.170423
    22 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+Swiss_Italian @ 14.170995
    23 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 14.183727
    24 IT_Piedmont+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 14.187346
    25 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Sardinia+Central_Dutch @ 14.198932
    26 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Sardinia+Central_Dutch @ 14.204486
    27 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+Central_Dutch @ 14.210309
    28 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol+France_Central @ 14.21136
    29 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.214242
    30 IT_Tuscany+IT_North+IT_North+Central_Dutch @ 14.214712
    31 IT_Tuscany+IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 14.216983
    32 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Sardinia+Central_Dutch @ 14.222676
    33 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.22909
    34 IT_Tuscany+IT_Sardinia+Austria_Tyrol+Central_Dutch @ 14.234815
    35 IT_Piedmont+IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 14.235063
    36 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+France_Central @ 14.235924
    37 IT_Piedmont+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 14.24047
    38 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Austria_Tyrol @ 14.262258
    39 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_NorthWest @ 14.264299
    40 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Swiss_Italian+Austria_Tyro l @ 14.266497
    455588123 iterations.


    Gaussian method.
    Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 France_Central @ 4.628857
    2 IT_Piedmont @ 5.081301
    3 IT_Veneto @ 5.087585
    4 IT_North @ 5.201924
    5 IT_Aosta @ 5.280181
    6 Swiss_Italian @ 5.391333
    7 IT_Friuli @ 5.628566
    8 Swiss_German @ 5.629969
    9 Austria_Tyrol @ 5.762672
    10 France @ 5.850561
    11 France_South @ 5.862328
    12 IT_Tuscany @ 5.968219
    13 Spain_Aragon @ 6.16882
    14 Spain_Catalan @ 6.368161
    15 Spain_Galicia @ 6.410699
    16 Spain_Andalusia @ 6.540031
    17 Albania_Montenegro @ 6.572752
    18 Spain_average @ 6.694723
    19 South_Germany @ 6.787066
    20 Asturia @ 6.81067
    337 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 France_Central+France_Central @ 4.628857
    2 IT_Veneto+France_Central @ 4.850312
    3 IT_North+France_Central @ 4.858898
    4 IT_Piedmont+France_Central @ 4.894394
    5 Swiss_Italian+France_Central @ 4.904186
    6 IT_Aosta+France_Central @ 4.958376
    7 IT_Piedmont+IT_Piedmont @ 5.081301
    8 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 5.087585
    9 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 5.111561
    10 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 5.119179
    11 IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 5.131307
    12 Swiss_German+France_Central @ 5.134353
    13 IT_Friuli+France_Central @ 5.136654
    14 IT_Piedmont+IT_Veneto @ 5.139783
    15 IT_Piedmont+IT_Aosta @ 5.148218
    16 IT_Piedmont+IT_North @ 5.148295
    17 France_Central+France_South @ 5.151061
    18 IT_Piedmont+Swiss_Italian @ 5.176934
    19 IT_North+IT_Aosta @ 5.181061
    20 IT_North+France_NorthWest @ 5.185194
    56953 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% France_Central +25% IT_North +25% France_Central @ 4.738923
    2 50% France_Central +25% IT_Veneto +25% France_Central @ 4.744081
    3 50% France_Central +25% Swiss_Italian +25% France_Central @ 4.787487
    4 50% France_Central +25% IT_Sardinia +25% France_Central @ 4.787822
    5 50% France_Central +25% IT_Aosta +25% France_Central @ 4.794643
    6 50% France_Central +25% IT_Piedmont +25% France_Central @ 4.800531
    7 50% IT_Veneto +25% France_Central +25% France_Central @ 4.850312
    8 50% France_Central +25% IT_North +25% IT_Veneto @ 4.856564
    9 50% IT_North +25% France_Central +25% France_Central @ 4.858898
    10 50% France_Central +25% IT_Piedmont +25% IT_North @ 4.870998
    11 50% France_Central +25% Kosovo +25% France_Central @ 4.882648
    12 50% France_Central +25% France_Central +25% France_South @ 4.88584
    13 50% France_Central +25% IT_North +25% Swiss_Italian @ 4.891646
    14 50% France_Central +25% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian @ 4.893829
    15 50% IT_Piedmont +25% France_Central +25% France_Central @ 4.894394
    16 50% France_Central +25% IT_Piedmont +25% IT_Veneto @ 4.895621
    17 50% France_Central +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_Central @ 4.900022
    18 50% France_Central +25% IT_North +25% IT_Aosta @ 4.902822
    19 50% France_Central +25% Albania_North +25% France_Central @ 4.903923
    20 50% Swiss_Italian +25% France_Central +25% France_Central @ 4.904186
    16937733 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 France_Central+France_Central+France_Central+Franc e_Central @ 4.628857
    2 IT_North+France_Central+France_Central+France_Cent ral @ 4.738923
    3 IT_Veneto+France_Central+France_Central+France_Cen tral @ 4.744081
    4 Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_Central+France _Central @ 4.787487
    5 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+France_C entral @ 4.787822
    6 IT_Aosta+France_Central+France_Central+France_Cent ral @ 4.794643
    7 IT_Piedmont+France_Central+France_Central+France_C entral @ 4.800531
    8 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.850312
    9 IT_North+IT_Veneto+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.856564
    10 IT_North+IT_North+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.858898
    11 IT_Piedmont+IT_North+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.870998
    12 Kosovo+France_Central+France_Central+France_Centra l @ 4.882648
    13 France_Central+France_Central+France_Central+Franc e_South @ 4.88584
    14 IT_North+Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_Centr al @ 4.891646
    15 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_Cent ral @ 4.893829
    16 IT_Piedmont+IT_Piedmont+France_Central+France_Cent ral @ 4.894394
    17 IT_Piedmont+IT_Veneto+France_Central+France_Centra l @ 4.895621
    18 FR_Corsica+France_Central+France_Central+France_Ce ntral @ 4.900022
    19 IT_North+IT_Aosta+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.902822
    20 Albania_North+France_Central+France_Central+France _Central @ 4.903923
    21 Swiss_Italian+Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_ Central @ 4.904186
    22 Swiss_German+France_Central+France_Central+France_ Central @ 4.905004
    23 IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.906037
    24 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+North_Du tch @ 4.907008
    25 IT_Friuli+France_Central+France_Central+France_Cen tral @ 4.911367
    26 IT_Piedmont+Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_Ce ntral @ 4.914283
    27 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+South_Du tch @ 4.918777
    28 IT_Piedmont+IT_Aosta+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.928473
    29 IT_Veneto+IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Centra l @ 4.934313
    30 IT_Tuscany+France_Central+France_Central+France_Ce ntral @ 4.934318
    31 IT_Aosta+Swiss_Italian+France_Central+France_Centr al @ 4.93474
    32 IT_Sardinia+Swiss_German+France_Central+France_Cen tral @ 4.937714
    33 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+Central_ Dutch @ 4.941011
    34 IT_North+Swiss_German+France_Central+France_Centra l @ 4.941282
    35 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+France_N orthWest @ 4.943351
    36 IT_Sardinia+German_North+France_Central+France_Cen tral @ 4.950386
    37 IT_Sardinia+France_Central+France_Central+SE_Engla nd @ 4.952279
    38 IT_North+IT_Sardinia+France_Central+North_Dutch @ 4.952737
    39 IT_Aosta+IT_Aosta+France_Central+France_Central @ 4.958376
    40 IT_North+France_Central+France_Central+France_Nort hWest @ 4.960731
    545896107 iterations.
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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