hrvat22
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I am talking about S17250, not sure that other subclades show correlation with Prague-Korchak horizon. I cannot be sure if all S17250 can be linked only to this culture, maybe some subclades entered Penkovka or Sukow-Dziedzice culture.
This means that subclade S17250 is a link between all these 50 medieval Slavic tribes. The only historical data that this mutation proves is De administrando imperio which talks about migration of Croats to the Balkans.
It means that White Croatia and Croats are the source of S17250 and that all these 50 medieval Slavic tribes has partially White Croatian origin.
Historical sources from the coastal towns see Vlach and make the difference between them Serbs and Croats.
But other historical sources do not see Vlachs.
One Italian historical source in the continental part of Dalmatia sees Vlachs but on the islands of Dalmatia it does not see Vlachs although these islands are inhabited from continental part of Dalmatia.
This means that he made conclusions based on folk costumes and customs and it is his view of this Croatians.
You are forgetting that Porfirogenit mentioned Croats, Serbs, Zahumlyanians, Travunians and Konavlians in one chapter as separate tribes,
Yes, it is interesting that leader of Zahumlyanians coming from Visla in Poland and Porphyrogenitus says that they are Serbians, but there is no Serbians around Visla (Serbs are at the border with Francia). However Serbs come to Eastern Dalmatia over Greece, such genetics in Croatia and Bosnia does not exist.
In addition to this a historian Moses from Horena, who lived close to that time, wrote that 25 Slavic tribes, which lived to Dacia, moved to Greece and Dalmatia.
For now I do not see genetics that prove this?
Then came Vlach (an exonym for shepherd groups) from late medieval time, and according to some theories they migrated from the Central Balkan to Bosnia and Dinaric Alps.
This means that PH908 is coming from central Balkans to Croatia? If you have proof for this show me.
You can find the same HGs not only PH908 widespread from Slovenia to Black Sea, and from Aegean to North Carpathians.
But still their source is one person(I-S17250)in White Croatia or White Croats.
Some not Slavic tribes could also brought I-CTS10228 e.g Goths, Huns, Avars, Bulgarians, like it was found in Medieval Hungarian graves.
Yes they could, but I-CTS10228 it's a grandfather of I-S17250, so these migrations probably start from the same house (White Croatia),I know it's a little strange but that's what genes say, not me. Of course for now.
So I think it is pointless to argue about Y-dna of Croats or Serbs without Ancient DNA results. It might happen that most of South Slavic tribes had similar mix of Y-dna.
I agree, we wait this data. However, today's genetics of peoples from "Roman Dalmatia" clearly confirm historical records of Croatian arrival, and for now we have to respect this.