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    Quote Originally Posted by murad1234 View Post
    From what I read there were Gaelic tribes living in Europe during this time?
    Well there were HG-R1b in Eastern europe, but not specifically Gaelic tribes, you can call them PIEs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parafarne View Post
    Well there were HG-R1b in Eastern europe, but not specifically Gaelic tribes, you can call them PIEs though.
    No, you can't. We have no idea what they spoke, and probably never will have...


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    Parafarne, absolutly No. You are fabricating data, there is no evidance of T1a as "LEF". We have as evidance of R1b levantine farmers as we have of T1a levantine farmers: None.
    As I told, the oldest known T1a1a sample is found in the Wallachian Plain. There is no a J2+E+T beautful travel, most than a J2+E+R1b travel, just fantasy until it become proved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    Parafarne, absolutly No. You are fabricating data, there is no evidance of T1a as "LEF". We have as evidance of R1b levantine farmers as we have of T1a levantine farmers: None.
    As I told, the oldest known T1a1a sample is found in the Wallachian Plain. There is no a J2+E+T beautful travel, most than a J2+E+R1b travel, just fantasy until it become proved.
    Check Neolithic DNA, you will find T, J, E but their percentages are less than 10% so I pointed to this data! and if T, J2, E are not Farmers then when they settled southern europe in your view? please give me a date!

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    Yes, just like you can find I1, R1b, I2, C1a2 and H2 among Neolithic DNA samples. But you just take those what you want. So you can do I1+J2+C1a2 or T+J2+R1b or E+H2+R1b... I think you can do it better.

    J2 is found in non-European samples. E1b is found in non-European samples. (but perhaps their european subclades are not).
    But I can sure you that T1a1a nor T1a1 nor T1a all of them are not found in non-european samples.

    re-READ my first post here again, carefully. You should find the answer to "my view" using the available data, not fabricated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    No, you can't. We have no idea what they spoke, and probably never will have...
    I meant racially/ethnically, not linguistically! so were they racially PIEs? or later they became that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parafarne View Post
    I meant racially/ethnically, not linguistically! so were they racially PIEs? or later they became that.
    They were neither racially or ethnically IE yet. I think, the beginning of IE happened in Yamnaya. Racially/genetically they were the mixture of 75% of EHG and 25% of Iranian Farmer/CHG. Probably the Western part of Yamnaya had substantial WHG too, and some European Farmer admixture. We have to keep in mind that in 75% EHG is like WHG anyway. Yamnaya culture was very big territorially, and had quite mixed population.
    Culturally, they were late neolithic/bronze age horse riding herder/farmer.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    In this era theres surprisingly so many C lineages too , and others like H, F, too, could Europe have been more cosmopolitan than we like to believe in Mesolithic era, I mean Europe could even chalenge Neareast, Asia for diversity at this era.

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    Who dares? Explaining world historic populations with haplogroups of the same time and era, for example 10,000 BC world population would have been 2 million according to WIKIPEDIA and around 29 million in 3000 BC yet see haplogroups in the same era they would have constituted 1000th of 1 percent of population, Extinction-level events must have occured for every haplogroup in every era which seems so out of question historically think of NOAH'S FLOOD event for every haplogroup I am talking of thousands of extinction events here. Study link below.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...tion_estimates

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