Who were native europeans in Mesolithic era

[Parafarne]

From what I read there were Gaelic tribes living in Europe during this time?

Well there were HG-R1b in Eastern europe, but not specifically Gaelic tribes, you can call them PIEs though.

[Angela]

Well there were HG-R1b in Eastern europe, but not specifically Gaelic tribes, you can call them PIEs though.

No, you can't. We have no idea what they spoke, and probably never will have...

[Alpenjager]

Parafarne, absolutly No. You are fabricating data, there is no evidance of T1a as "LEF". We have as evidance of R1b levantine farmers as we have of T1a levantine farmers: None.
As I told, the oldest known T1a1a sample is found in the Wallachian Plain. There is no a J2+E+T beautful travel, most than a J2+E+R1b travel, just fantasy until it become proved.

[Parafarne]

Parafarne, absolutly No. You are fabricating data, there is no evidance of T1a as "LEF". We have as evidance of R1b levantine farmers as we have of T1a levantine farmers: None.
As I told, the oldest known T1a1a sample is found in the Wallachian Plain. There is no a J2+E+T beautful travel, most than a J2+E+R1b travel, just fantasy until it become proved.

Check Neolithic DNA, you will find T, J, E but their percentages are less than 10% so I pointed to this data! and if T, J2, E are not Farmers then when they settled southern europe in your view? please give me a date!

[Alpenjager]

Yes, just like you can find I1, R1b, I2, C1a2 and H2 among Neolithic DNA samples. But you just take those what you want. So you can do I1+J2+C1a2 or T+J2+R1b or E+H2+R1b... I think you can do it better.

J2 is found in non-European samples. E1b is found in non-European samples. (but perhaps their european subclades are not).
But I can sure you that T1a1a nor T1a1 nor T1a all of them are not found in non-european samples.

re-READ my first post here again, carefully. You should find the answer to "my view" using the available data, not fabricated.

[Parafarne]

No, you can't. We have no idea what they spoke, and probably never will have...

I meant racially/ethnically, not linguistically! so were they racially PIEs? or later they became that.

[LeBrok]

I meant racially/ethnically, not linguistically! so were they racially PIEs? or later they became that.

They were neither racially or ethnically IE yet. I think, the beginning of IE happened in Yamnaya. Racially/genetically they were the mixture of 75% of EHG and 25% of Iranian Farmer/CHG. Probably the Western part of Yamnaya had substantial WHG too, and some European Farmer admixture. We have to keep in mind that in 75% EHG is like WHG anyway. Yamnaya culture was very big territorially, and had quite mixed population.
Culturally, they were late neolithic/bronze age horse riding herder/farmer.

[Parafarne]

In this era theres surprisingly so many C lineages too , and others like H, F, too, could Europe have been more cosmopolitan than we like to believe in Mesolithic era, I mean Europe could even chalenge Neareast, Asia for diversity at this era.

[Parafarne]

Who dares? Explaining world historic populations with haplogroups of the same time and era, for example 10,000 BC world population would have been 2 million according to WIKIPEDIA and around 29 million in 3000 BC yet see haplogroups in the same era they would have constituted 1000th of 1 percent of population, Extinction-level events must have occured for every haplogroup in every era which seems so out of question historically think of NOAH'S FLOOD event for every haplogroup I am talking of thousands of extinction events here. Study link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...tion_estimates