Kelmendasi
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- Ethnic group
- Gheg Albanian-Kelmendi clan(Joined) but with supposed origin from Montenegro
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- J1-P58
- mtDNA haplogroup
- T1a1l
Yeah, I guess it could be considered to be somewhat of a stretch, but that is only due to the fact that not many Greeks have tested. Which makes analysis pretty difficult, at least for me. The Greek Z2705>BY6197 sample is in fact of Arvanite origin from Preveza, he forms a subclade with an Albanian from Vlore on the tree.As for later intrusions of R-Z2103 subclades, sure, it would be rational to presume that even without any knowledge, and indeed, R-Z2705 seems to have an Albanian origin. But it is a stretch to be claiming R-Z2705 as considerable, when descendants of Arvanites in Greece as a whole are approximately 200,000-250,000, and from the few samples that have been tested for Y-DNA, R-M269 doesn't seem to be a prominent haplogroup among them, http://www.gjenetika.com/statistikat/ (down at the bottom the pie chart pertains to Arvanites' haplogroup distribution based on 14 samples, i know, few but still diverse). Nonetheless, there seems to be a Greek sample belonging to that clade, as is visible in YFull.
As for R-L584, yes it could be seen as a corroboration for what you write, but i am not aware of the frequency of R-L584 in Greece either. If it is rather small, then it could be due to an actual Armenian migration during the Medieval era, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Greece#Early_settlement.
Last, thanks for that map, it is very interesting. If this sample is actually factual, then it would only corroborate my case of R-Z2103 being a main clade among Mycenaeans, but the source seems to be Anthrogenica, and none of the samples that were published in the "Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans" paper identifies with it. After all, the paper only had a single Mycenaean male sample designated as J2a1. I am not excluding it, i would actually hope for it, but it would be nice to have the source (thread) and description of it.
Based on the Greek project on FTDNA, L584 does seem to be pretty common when it comes to Z2103. But then again, there are some Pontic Greeks within this clade which may indeed suggest West Asian input.