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this online calculator is using K36 and a spreadsheet based on living people found on gedmatch.
K36 is using in its evaluation very few SNPs for these three ancient samples. An average modern sample has 160000/170000 SNPs used for this evaluation.
M472594 - 20375 SNPs used in this evaluation
M715422 - 69274 SNPs used in this evaluation
M740087 - 26775 SNPs used in this evaluation
K36 is inflating the Italian component for these three ancient samples. These results should be taken with a grain of salt, because all these three ancient samples have very few components on K36.
Interesting maps. The square on northeast Turkey is oddly closer than other territories than I'd expect.
Well if we knew more about the method they used. For me the most weird thing about it is the space between the eyes, and maybe the space between the nose and lips or the shape of the lips. Today wavy brown hair are more common.
Concerning pigmentation, he doesn't seem that dark to me.
I have a grandmother from there (near Pylos) who is much lighter but the people of the village probably have ancestry from Franks and Latins.
Phenotypically the Mycaenean image resembles a Dodecanese Islander particularly those from Kalymnos. I grew up around several and was stricken by their pronounced features.
This thread should be about the genetic origins of Mycenaean Hellenes, not some pseudo scientific humbug about Greek football players.
We can't see the attachment.I dislike how reductionist these sort of arguments get as if curly hair means Greek. Also, it's not that the Mycenaean reconstruction has a particularly dark skin complexion, it's not that it's dark, it's just a weird skin complexion. Bronze? wtf is that?
I will post a random pic of a Greek to illustrate what I mean
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This dude is not "light skinned" either. But it's the whole look, the symmetry (or lack thereof as the case may be), the colours, the face shape that screams "I'M GREEK".
The so-called Mycenaean in that pic looks like Conan or Pocahontas's dad, not particularly Greek.
Again, that is my view and it is as valid as any other Greek's. It is more valid if we're talking about Cretan Greeks which I am one and I assume, most people here aren't.
I assume the light skin specific genetic alleles came with Steppe migrations. Minoans were almost homogeneously brunette based on the paintings and their genetic footprint suggest it also.
Mycenaeans already carried ~ 15-20% Corded Ware/Steppe admixture compared to Minoans (and spoke a clear Indo European language belong in the same subclade with the proto-Armenian branch) and We can see on some paintings a few Mycenaean Hellene had lighter features, but modern Mainland Greeks seem to carry extra 25-30% Steppe/Bell Beaker like admixture that likely came with the assimilation of Vlachs and other considerably steppe influenced populations.
There's been Slavic settlements documented in Thessaly "Wallachia"' just after 200 AD
How do you explain that Thessalians barely differ genetically from Bulgarians? I'm mostly East Slavic genetically and get loads of Mainland Greek matches on family finder. It's not that I have Greek ancestry otherwise I'd match with "purer" Greek groups like Cretan Greeks are.plz don't mix Vlachs with Slavs, especially of Thessaly which are Kutsuk-Vlachs Vlachs, mainly Mengle have Slavic admixture which vary according origin, from 0% to very high % (Antes) but all Vlachs are not Slavs, some are local balkan people Latinised, some are Romans, some are Gaulish and even Germanic sccording the Lagio they were. homeland of Vlachs is not Wallachia neither Romania
How do you explain that Thessalians barely differ genetically from Bulgarians? I'm mostly East Slavic genetically and get loads of Mainland Greek matches on family finder. It's not that I have Greek ancestry otherwise I'd match with "purer" Greek groups like Cretan Greeks are.
How do you explain that Thessalians barely differ genetically from Bulgarians? I'm mostly East Slavic genetically and get loads of Mainland Greek matches on family finder. It's not that I have Greek ancestry otherwise I'd match with "purer" Greek groups like Cretan Greeks are.
I assume the light skin specific genetic alleles came with Steppe migrations. Minoans were almost homogeneously brunette based on the paintings and their genetic footprint suggest it also.
In other words modern Greeks are nothing like Mycenaean Greeks, and even less Minoan Greeks.
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