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How is that modern Peloponnesians are not even 15% J2a and yet Myceanean were enriched with this halpogroup?
How come no one thought about this?
It is so interesting that Helen fled from Sparta (a city founded by Dorians) in Iliad, and yet no major settlements in terms of archaeology has been found in Sparta during the times of Mycenaeans.
Re-reading the paper might be in order.
75-79% of the autosomal make-up of the Mycenaeans was Neolithic farmer. The remainder was split between steppe and Iranian farmer, if you will, the latter presumably brought by J lineages.
Plus, if there's one thing we should know it's that primarily male-mediated gene flow might not have a one to one impact on the autosomal make-up, yes?
Not Exactly! Greeks historians noted that Dorian's came from North. They spoke a dialect of Hellenic language. Dialects rise when some people switch from one language to another. Let say Sicilian dialect rose from switching from Sicilian language to Latin. That means Dorian's had probably spoken Albanian or some other pre-European language and switched to Hellenic. The Dorian dialect did not rise as a geographic seperation because historians wrote that Dorian came. When they did come to the area they had been Hellenized. They also developed they own version of art based on pre existing Greek ART.Dorians were a peloponnesian tribe called Heracleides which moved northwards in central Greece, near the lake Doris. Thats why they are called Dorians, due to their starting point was Lake Doris in central Greece. They moved southwards then creating Sparta, and some of them went northwards, creating the kingdom of Macedonia. Both of those were said to be Dorians or Heracleides.
Your dellusions about an invasion of Greece from the North is just that. Delusions.
Y Haplogroup: I2(I-S17250)
mtDNA: U5b2a
He was saying that they don't have high enough J2a, Ydna. He wasn't commenting on their autosomal dna
Not Exactly! Greeks historians noted that Dorian's came from North.
I don't get what you don't get. If mainland Greeks only have 25% West Asian, why is much more than 15-20% J2a such a necessity for you? It's a good correspondence, actually. You expect more based on what evidence?
Also, if you're going to refer to percentages, link to the study you're referencing.
Italians have settled in various parts of Greece, in this case Peloponnese.
From where exactly? Post some relevant texts.
Could you provide a source for this?
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26644-Y-DNA-haplogroups-of-Greeks-by-region-of-origin
Haplogroup J2 is (880 samples)
J2a : 12.2
J2b : 5.7
--J2b is not Mycenaean-like. I was only talking about J2a. As a matter of fact many Armenians, Anatolians and Italians have settled in various parts of Greece, in this case Peloponnese. Which by the way might've actually increased the percentage of J2a, to certain degree, not entirely of course. The low frequencies of J2a in Peloponnese clearly shows that they have mixed with something else. (and drastically so)
Not Exactly! Greeks historians noted that Dorian's came from North. They spoke a dialect of Hellenic language. Dialects rise when some people switch from one language to another. Let say Sicilian dialect rose from switching from Sicilian language to Latin. That means Dorian's had probably spoken Albanian or some other pre-European language and switched to Hellenic. The Dorian dialect did not rise as a geographic seperation because historians wrote that Dorian came. When they did come to the area they had been Hellenized. They also developed they own version of art based on pre existing Greek ART.
Source is in Greece. Macedonian dialect rose by language switching, so did Doric. Albanian borrowings from Greek are from this dialect.
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