Genetic Origins of Minoans and Mycenaeans

Idontknowwhatimdoing · Oct 21, 2021

Greek and Cypriot admixture

I removed the ones that have high overlap, removed Anatolia for Cypriots and southern Greece because it might be just over correcting. What do you think of this?
1) Model for Cypriots, Crete and Southern Greece:
with Aegean, Levant, Balkan_east, Illyria, Latium, Sardinia, South Semitic, Early Slav:

Code:

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Cypriot
Distance: 1.0956% / 0.01095610[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]60.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]40.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 1.0963% / 0.01096350[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]51.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]38.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]10.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 0.8220% / 0.00822018[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]33.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]29.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]23.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]11.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Latium_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 0.7043% / 0.00704278[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]40.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]26.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]24.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Levant_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Illyria_MBA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

2) Model for Thessaly and Northern Greeks:
with Aegean, Thracia, Balkan_East, Illyria, Latium, Early Slav:

Code:

 [TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.5587% / 0.01558661[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]76.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]17.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]6.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 1.8699% / 0.01869922[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]64.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]29.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]6.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 1.7044% / 0.01704350[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]59.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]30.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]10.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

3) Model Without Levant/Illyrian/East_Balkan/ancient Italy for mainland Greeks:

Code:

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 0.9638% / 0.00963832[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]54.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]21.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]21.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 1.6771% / 0.01677115[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]37.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]33.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]28.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 1.0207% / 0.01020653[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]36.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]33.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]28.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 0.8531% / 0.00853082[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]35.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]32.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]31.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TH="class: cms_table_singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.7424% / 0.00742435[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]34.8[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Aegean_BA_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]34.4[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Early_Slav_EMA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]26.6[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Anatolia_BA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Thracia_IA[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_singleleftcolumn"]2.0[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_singlerightcolumn"]Turkic_West_and_Ottoman[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Full source:

Code:

Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179,0.067156,-0.041637,-0.012822,-0.005814,-0.018773,0.002789,0.001645,0.009,-0.0045,-0.011481,-0.01088,3e-04,0.004311,0.000963,0.000271,0.016706,0.012256,-0.007601,0.006159,0.000625,-0.000749,0.002844,0.001849,0.01458,-0.006706
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:Ottoman_1400ad:MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191

Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karakhanid:DA204,0.068294,-0.155376,0.032055,0.014535,-0.05601,0,0.002585,0.003692,-0.010226,-0.015126,-0.018675,-0.002847,0.001189,-0.016928,0.009365,0.00358,-0.01695,0.000887,0.005028,0.001751,-0.018343,0.003215,-0.00456,-0.006627,-0.007185
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205,0.05805,-0.199044,0.027907,0.002907,-0.041854,-0.01004,0.00705,0.005307,-0.011862,-0.007472,-0.010555,-0.001199,-0.000446,-0.007156,0.012758,0.007955,0.002086,0.001774,0.000377,0.006003,-0.015348,0.003833,-0.00419,-0.003735,-0.002515
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karluk:DA222,0.064879,-0.158423,0.023004,0.000969,-0.05601,-0.00753,0.00658,0.014999,-0.01493,-0.010934,-0.018188,0.001649,0,-0.004266,0.0076,-0.000928,-0.006519,0.005448,0.01081,0.001501,-0.015473,-0.003586,-0.003328,-0.004579,0.005987
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karluk:DA230,0.061464,-0.145221,0.011691,-0.002584,-0.037545,0.001673,0.00329,0.009461,-0.01718,-0.009476,-0.021922,-0.003297,0,-0.001101,0.013979,-0.006895,-0.020992,0.002914,0.003771,-0.005378,-0.004492,-0.000742,0.00037,0.000602,0.002155
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87,0.080814,-0.140143,0.043746,0.027455,-0.050471,-0.011435,0.00376,0.000462,-0.020043,-0.018224,-0.007632,-0.003147,-0.006244,-0.002064,0.008822,0.007425,-0.019558,0.005448,-0.003142,-0.027013,-0.02533,-0.010387,-0.001479,-0.010363,0.001317

Anatolia_BA:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA,0.0990263,0.151991,-0.0452547,-0.0812883,-0.0043087,-0.022776,-0.0019583,-0.0081533,-0.0088627,0.027457,0.0073077,0.0044463,-0.0130327,-0.0065143,-0.0147933,-0.000442,0.0126037,0.003801,0.0043577,-0.0017507,0.0003327,0.0055233,-0.0028757,0.0011247,-0.0024747
Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA,0.114582,0.1590993,-0.040226,-0.0802117,-0.004411,-0.024728,7.83e-05,-0.003846,-0.0115897,0.0329847,0.0068207,0.003497,-0.012686,-0.003257,-0.0225297,0.0032263,0.0214267,-0.0024493,0.0070393,-0.0007087,-0.0044507,-0.003215,0.000575,-0.003213,-0.0022353

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:Average,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491

Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208,0.1161,0.158423,-0.017348,-0.06783,0.026774,-0.032351,-0.00282,-0.001154,0.007158,0.04319,0.003573,0.015586,-0.017096,0.006468,-0.016965,-0.02559,-0.007693,-0.000253,0.00993,-0.017133,-0.003494,0.000866,0.005053,0.00241,-0.010538
Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652,0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Cycladic_EBA,0.1160995,0.1701015,-0.021119,-0.081073,0.018311,-0.035419,-0.0024675,-0.0050765,0.0076695,0.048657,0.00682,0.0138625,-0.020664,0.0059865,-0.0281615,-0.0046405,0.014342,0.002534,0.0099305,-0.011693,-0.009483,-0.0005565,-0.002095,0.0018675,-0.002395
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_EBA,0.112685,0.179749,-0.000754,-0.08721,0.02739,-0.032351,-0.003995,-0.005769,0.028224,0.06761,0.002111,0.010641,-0.020812,0.005643,-0.030944,-0.021347,0.009127,0.003927,0.00729,-0.014757,-0.007237,0.000742,-0.000986,0.007953,-0.005269
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA,0.1206525,0.1482675,0.0226275,-0.011951,0.022312,-0.010319,-0.0043475,-0.0032305,-0.0011245,0.0132125,0.0017865,0.011315,-0.0136765,0.000963,-0.0094325,-0.0129275,-0.0063885,-0.0008235,0.0072275,-0.0086295,-0.0116045,0.0025965,0.008073,0.005362,-0.0020955
Aegean_BA_IA:Helladic_Cycladic_Mix,0.116479,0.1660393,0.0002515,-0.060078,0.022671,-0.0260297,-0.0036033,-0.004692,0.0115897,0.0431598,0.0035725,0.0119395,-0.0183842,0.0041975,-0.022846,-0.0129717,0.0056935,0.0018792,0.0081493,-0.0116932,-0.0094415,0.0009273,0.001664,0.0050608,-0.0032532
Aegean_BA_IA:Hel_Cyc_Min_EBA,0.1160995,0.1674355,-0.0041484,-0.0679108,0.0238508,-0.028377,-0.001645,-0.0041535,0.0141122,0.0463564,0.0052776,0.0101911,-0.0175789,0.0040771,-0.0255492,-0.0163915,0.0040094,0.0024229,0.0080918,-0.0113649,-0.0095456,0.002674,0.0002928,0.0026209,-0.0020209

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_EBA,0.114961,0.171624,-0.017348,-0.091409,0.02739,-0.035419,0.00423,-0.002538,0.02168,0.055946,0.010393,0.004946,-0.015163,0.003716,-0.033659,-0.026651,-0.001043,0.004054,0.007919,-0.01038,-0.009858,0.007914,-0.003821,-0.004699,0.001676
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Angela · Oct 21, 2021

ihype02 said:
It's not about Herodotus. It's that the geographical difference is very big. It would not suprise me if they hired some people from Italy or Greece but Spain and Black Sea is way too far away.
Maybe they were Greeks from Spain and Black Sea. Greeks had colonies there.

If Greeks from Spain could make it to Sicily to fight why couldn't Spaniards? The trade route was long established.

Sorry, that's no logical.

The only actual way to know, of course, is for the scientists to analyze the dna and give us the autosomal and uniparental results.

ihype02 · Oct 21, 2021

Angela said:
If Greeks from Spain could make it to Sicily to fight why couldn't Spaniards? The trade route was long established.

Sorry, that's no logical.

The only actual way to know, of course, is for the scientists to analyze the dna and give us the autosomal and uniparental results.

I suppose yes but it's more likely for them to be Greeks than Native Iberians? No?
I was completely unaware that they would hire Mercenaries from Spain for Sicilian wars. It was a suprise. Greek or non Greek.

ihype02 · Oct 21, 2021

Angela look:

"The team’s analysis revealed that some historical claims could be validated – there were two battles, about two thirds of the Himeran forces in the first conflict weren’t local while only a quarter in the second battle weren’t from there, and Greek soldiers from outside of the city did fight alongside local Himerans. But the contemporary accounts weren’t entirely accurate: the isotope evidence suggests that many of the non-local soldiers weren’t actually Greek, but came from across the Mediterranean."

“Isotopic studies suggest that these could have been people hired all the way from the Catalan coast, from the Iberian peninsula, or from mainland Greece or even from the Black Sea coast,” says Mario Novak at the Institute for Anthropological Research in Croatia.

All of those 3 regions had a Greek presence. They can be Iberians too.

“So, this could have been either Greeks but also some Indigenous people that classical sources considered barbarians. Obviously, these ‘barbarians’ were much more incorporated into the everyday lives of the “proper” Greeks than previously thought,” he says.
Again "could have been", I don't think they have Autosomal DNA.

[FONT=&quot]In particular, Herodotus suggests that in 480 BC, during the first Battle of Himera, local soldiers received aid from other Greek allies and successfully defeated the Carthaginians. But during a second battle in 409 BC, the local soldiers went unaided and the city of Himera fell to the Carthaginians.
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[FONT=&quot]The researchers found that only about one-third of Himera's soldiers from the first battle were local to the area, while around three-fourths were locals in the second battle, corroborating the written claims that Himera was more aided by outsiders the first time than in the second battle. However, the evidence also shows that, contrary to written accounts, many outsiders were not Greek allies, but were instead mercenaries hired from beyond Greek territories.[/FONT]

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ihype02 · Oct 21, 2021

According to Wikipedia:

Gelo and Theron had a well trained, battle tested army at their disposal. In addition to citizens, hired mercenaries from Greeks and Sicels augmented their forces. Gelon took out a loan from citizens to fund his war efforts, which indicates the seriousness of the situation. The Syracusan army at Himera is said to have numbered 50,000 foot and 5,000 horse – perhaps another exaggeration.^[26] The size of the army of Theron is not known. The main hoplite force came from the citizens of the Sicilian Greek cities. They were augmented by mercenary hoplites hired from Sicily and Italy, and even mainland Greece. Some of the citizens also served as peltasts while the wealthier citizens formed the cavalry units. Sicels and Sikan soldiers also served in the force. Mercenaries provided archers, slingers and cavalry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Himera_(480_BC)#Dorian_Greeks_dominate_Sicily

Idontknowwhatimdoing · Oct 26, 2021

The goal is to hit a distance of 0.9-1.1%, we don't want it below 0.9% because there might be over corrections since the calculator does not care if it makes sense but it just cares for getting the lowest distance. The acceptable distance usually for models like this is below 2% and around 1% are not too low and not too high so i think 0.9-1.1 is more balanced from what i observed.

1) Reduce the populations to 2, if the distance is higher than 1.1% then the TARGET must be mixed between more populations so increase it by 1 population.

2)If you get a distance below 0.9% then there might be over corrections so increase distance cooldown until you get 0.9-1.1% distance. If you still get below 0.9% then just keep increasing the distance cooldown until it gets the closest to 0.9-1.1%, if it's above 1.1% with distance cooldown then increase by 1 population

3) If you got higher than 1.1% distance with 2 populations then you increased the populations by 1 and so you must repeat the steps above but with the increased populations, keep repeating the steps until you get a distance between 0.9-1.1%.

3) If you keep getting above 1.1% and below 2% then reduce it to 5-6 populations if there are more and try adding 0.25x distance cooldown. If the distance changed only by 0.1% then it might have removed over corrections and worked.
If it goes above 2% then the model is not good for you either because you are mixed or not a Greek or a Turk, excluding East Anatolian Turks since i didn't add Caucasian proxies.

Target: Greek_Cypriot
Distance: 1.0956% / 0.01095610 | R2P
60.0 Levant_BA
40.0 Aegean_BA_IA

Target: Greek_Crete
Distance: 1.0799% / 0.01079905 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
54.8 Aegean_BA_IA
29.2 Levant_BA
16.0 Anatolia_BA

Target: Greek_Dodecanese
Distance: 1.1191% / 0.01119087 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.8 Aegean_BA_IA
35.4 Levant_North_BA
25.8 Anatolia_BA

Target: Greek_Laconia
Distance: 1.0081% / 0.01008117 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.4 Aegean_BA_IA
28.2 Levant_BA
27.4 Early_Slav_EMA

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 0.8024% / 0.00802394 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
53.8 Aegean_BA_IA
24.0 Early_Slav_EMA
22.2 Levant_BA

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.0050% / 0.01005012 | R3P
53.2 Aegean_BA_IA
23.8 Anatolia_BA
23.0 Early_Slav_EMA

Target: Greek_Macedonia
Distance: 0.9139% / 0.00913891 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.0 Aegean_BA_IA
29.0 Early_Slav_EMA
21.0 Levant_North_BA

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia
Distance: 0.8742% / 0.00874231 | R3P | ADC: 0.5x RC
45.8 Aegean_BA_IA
35.6 Early_Slav_EMA
18.6 Levant_North_BA

Target: Greek_Izmir
Distance: 1.0162% / 0.01016167 | R3P
49.6 Anatolia_BA
25.6 Aegean_BA_IA
24.8 Early_Slav_EMA

Target: Turkish_Northwest
Distance: 0.9892% / 0.00989196 | R3P
48.2 Anatolia_East_BA
35.0 Turkic_West_and_Ottoman
16.8 Early_Slav_EMA

Code:

Levant_North_BA:TUR_Alalakh_MLBA,0.0965915,0.1477878,-0.0603812,-0.0906553,-0.0162764,-0.0337457,0.0003786,-0.0057946,-0.0039201,0.0126552,0.0068112,-0.0044502,0.0079451,0.0040828,-0.0105598,0.0052299,-0.0008258,0.0020939,0.0050908,-0.00247,0.0018509,0.0040154,-0.0036426,-0.0030559,0.0006421

Anatolia_East_BA:TUR_Arslantepe_EBA,0.1032945,0.1546142,-0.0594908,-0.089552,-0.0198495,-0.0290045,0.0017625,-0.010615,-0.0177422,0.012483,0.0054808,0.0017985,-0.005649,0.003888,-0.0106202,-0.0020882,0.0073667,0.0017735,0.0029852,0.0010945,-0.001435,0.004235,-0.0016332,-0.0043682,-0.000509

Anatolia_BA:TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.1050018,0.1515678,-0.042332,-0.082365,-0.0040775,-0.0274705,-0.0024088,-0.0077882,-0.011402,0.028429,0.0097435,0.007006,-0.0120788,0.0030965,-0.0138435,-0.004475,0.0116693,-0.0021538,0.0087988,-0.00741,-0.0031817,0.0061828,-0.0048065,0.0030725,-0.001407
Anatolia_BA:TUR_Ovaoren_EBA,0.0990263,0.151991,-0.0452547,-0.0812883,-0.0043087,-0.022776,-0.0019583,-0.0081533,-0.0088627,0.027457,0.0073077,0.0044463,-0.0130327,-0.0065143,-0.0147933,-0.000442,0.0126037,0.003801,0.0043577,-0.0017507,0.0003327,0.0055233,-0.0028757,0.0011247,-0.0024747
Anatolia_BA:TUR_Isparta_EBA,0.114582,0.1590993,-0.040226,-0.0802117,-0.004411,-0.024728,7.83e-05,-0.003846,-0.0115897,0.0329847,0.0068207,0.003497,-0.012686,-0.003257,-0.0225297,0.0032263,0.0214267,-0.0024493,0.0070393,-0.0007087,-0.0044507,-0.003215,0.000575,-0.003213,-0.0022353

Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:West_Turkic:KAZ_Kipchak:DA179,0.067156,-0.041637,-0.012822,-0.005814,-0.018773,0.002789,0.001645,0.009,-0.0045,-0.011481,-0.01088,3e-04,0.004311,0.000963,0.000271,0.016706,0.012256,-0.007601,0.006159,0.000625,-0.000749,0.002844,0.001849,0.01458,-0.006706
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:Ottoman_1400ad:MA2195,0.072847,-0.144205,0.035449,-0.000969,-0.045855,-0.02008,0.009165,0.004154,-0.014112,-0.011299,-0.006008,-0.006594,-0.001189,-0.013349,0.004072,0.00053,0.005476,0.002914,-0.005405,0.007879,-0.012104,0.000495,-0.011339,-0.006386,-0.004191

Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karakhanid:DA204,0.068294,-0.155376,0.032055,0.014535,-0.05601,0,0.002585,0.003692,-0.010226,-0.015126,-0.018675,-0.002847,0.001189,-0.016928,0.009365,0.00358,-0.01695,0.000887,0.005028,0.001751,-0.018343,0.003215,-0.00456,-0.006627,-0.007185
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karakhanid:DA205,0.05805,-0.199044,0.027907,0.002907,-0.041854,-0.01004,0.00705,0.005307,-0.011862,-0.007472,-0.010555,-0.001199,-0.000446,-0.007156,0.012758,0.007955,0.002086,0.001774,0.000377,0.006003,-0.015348,0.003833,-0.00419,-0.003735,-0.002515
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karluk:DA222,0.064879,-0.158423,0.023004,0.000969,-0.05601,-0.00753,0.00658,0.014999,-0.01493,-0.010934,-0.018188,0.001649,0,-0.004266,0.0076,-0.000928,-0.006519,0.005448,0.01081,0.001501,-0.015473,-0.003586,-0.003328,-0.004579,0.005987
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Karluk:DA230,0.061464,-0.145221,0.011691,-0.002584,-0.037545,0.001673,0.00329,0.009461,-0.01718,-0.009476,-0.021922,-0.003297,0,-0.001101,0.013979,-0.006895,-0.020992,0.002914,0.003771,-0.005378,-0.004492,-0.000742,0.00037,0.000602,0.002155
Turkic_West_and_Ottoman:KAZ_Kimak:DA87,0.080814,-0.140143,0.043746,0.027455,-0.050471,-0.011435,0.00376,0.000462,-0.020043,-0.018224,-0.007632,-0.003147,-0.006244,-0.002064,0.008822,0.007425,-0.019558,0.005448,-0.003142,-0.027013,-0.02533,-0.010387,-0.001479,-0.010363,0.001317

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:Average,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Mycenaean:I9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491

Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2,0.118376,0.158423,-0.009051,-0.0670225,0.0252355,-0.027889,0.001645,-0.005077,0.0049085,0.042552,0.002842,0.01124,-0.016873,0.003578,-0.018526,-0.0157785,0.0035855,0.0003805,0.004588,-0.0126935,-0.008298,0.001546,0.001664,0.0071095,-0.008502
Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208,0.1161,0.158423,-0.017348,-0.06783,0.026774,-0.032351,-0.00282,-0.001154,0.007158,0.04319,0.003573,0.015586,-0.017096,0.006468,-0.016965,-0.02559,-0.007693,-0.000253,0.00993,-0.017133,-0.003494,0.000866,0.005053,0.00241,-0.010538
Aegean_BA_IA:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215,0.120652,0.158423,-0.000754,-0.066215,0.023697,-0.023427,0.00611,-0.009,0.002659,0.041914,0.002111,0.006894,-0.01665,0.000688,-0.020087,-0.005967,0.014864,0.001014,-0.000754,-0.008254,-0.013102,0.002226,-0.001725,0.011809,-0.006466

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Cycladic_EBA,0.1160995,0.1701015,-0.021119,-0.081073,0.018311,-0.035419,-0.0024675,-0.0050765,0.0076695,0.048657,0.00682,0.0138625,-0.020664,0.0059865,-0.0281615,-0.0046405,0.014342,0.002534,0.0099305,-0.011693,-0.009483,-0.0005565,-0.002095,0.0018675,-0.002395
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_EBA,0.112685,0.179749,-0.000754,-0.08721,0.02739,-0.032351,-0.003995,-0.005769,0.028224,0.06761,0.002111,0.010641,-0.020812,0.005643,-0.030944,-0.021347,0.009127,0.003927,0.00729,-0.014757,-0.007237,0.000742,-0.000986,0.007953,-0.005269
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Helladic_MBA,0.1206525,0.1482675,0.0226275,-0.011951,0.022312,-0.010319,-0.0043475,-0.0032305,-0.0011245,0.0132125,0.0017865,0.011315,-0.0136765,0.000963,-0.0094325,-0.0129275,-0.0063885,-0.0008235,0.0072275,-0.0086295,-0.0116045,0.0025965,0.008073,0.005362,-0.0020955
Aegean_BA_IA:Helladic_Cycladic_Mix,0.116479,0.1660393,0.0002515,-0.060078,0.022671,-0.0260297,-0.0036033,-0.004692,0.0115897,0.0431598,0.0035725,0.0119395,-0.0183842,0.0041975,-0.022846,-0.0129717,0.0056935,0.0018792,0.0081493,-0.0116932,-0.0094415,0.0009273,0.001664,0.0050608,-0.0032532
Aegean_BA_IA:Hel_Cyc_Min_EBA,0.1160995,0.1674355,-0.0041484,-0.0679108,0.0238508,-0.028377,-0.001645,-0.0041535,0.0141122,0.0463564,0.0052776,0.0101911,-0.0175789,0.0040771,-0.0255492,-0.0163915,0.0040094,0.0024229,0.0080918,-0.0113649,-0.0095456,0.002674,0.0002928,0.0026209,-0.0020209

Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_EBA,0.114961,0.171624,-0.017348,-0.091409,0.02739,-0.035419,0.00423,-0.002538,0.02168,0.055946,0.010393,0.004946,-0.015163,0.003716,-0.033659,-0.026651,-0.001043,0.004054,0.007919,-0.01038,-0.009858,0.007914,-0.003821,-0.004699,0.001676
Aegean_BA_IA:GRC_Minoan_Lassithi,0.1192866,0.170609,-0.0181772,-0.093993,0.0295438,-0.0398256,-0.001316,-0.0034614,0.0103488,0.0598102,0.0029878,0.0153164,-0.0251238,-5.48e-05,-0.0374586,-0.0109518,0.0173934,-0.0012414,0.0088742,-0.0136316,-0.0133764,0.0083836,-0.0050776,-0.0010604,-0.0024428

Thracia_IA:UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12,0.135449,0.138112,0.015462,-0.012274,0.020927,-0.008088,0.00235,-0.007384,-0.006545,0.034625,0.000487,0.008542,-0.008325,-0.008533,-0.014522,0.005171,0.025946,-0.000127,0.011439,0.005878,-0.019091,0.007666,0.004067,0.011929,-0.000239

Balkan_East_IA:BGR_IA:I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861

Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197
Illyria_MBA:HRV_MBA:I4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395

Latium_IA:Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.126344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.01079,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
Latium_IA:Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.127482,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Etruscan_IA:Etruscan:RMPR473,0.127482,0.158423,0.035072,-0.020672,0.046778,-0.005299,0.00094,-0.000923,0.024952,0.03991,-0.002598,0.013188,-0.018434,-0.006606,-0.00665,-0.018828,-0.011865,0.003294,0.01081,0.00025,-0.001747,-0.000495,-0.000986,-0.000361,-0.003592
Etruscan_IA:ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b,0.126344,0.149283,0.034318,-0.007752,0.036622,-0.005299,0.003995,-0.004615,0.014726,0.028793,-0.002111,0.015286,-0.01115,-0.002064,-0.00285,0.003182,0.006258,0.007221,0.012318,-0.002626,-0.003369,0.008037,0.000863,-0.000482,-0.001796

Ancient_Sicilia_LBA:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372,0.133173,0.174671,0.00792,-0.065892,0.049855,-0.026216,-0.006815,-0.004384,0.033951,0.063965,-0.003248,0.008542,-0.02438,-0.001514,-0.025244,-0.031822,-0.005607,0.005321,0.01081,-0.015257,-0.009982,-0.00136,-0.005669,-0.013737,0.002155
Ancient_Sicilia_LBA:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876,0.1161,0.165531,0.010559,-0.059432,0.0437,-0.022032,-0.00846,-0.003923,0.019839,0.056858,-0.00065,0.013788,-0.017393,0.003303,-0.018051,-0.016309,-0.00339,0.004687,0.006788,-0.001,-0.005366,0.003586,0.001602,-0.010845,0.006706
Ancient_Sicilia_LBA:ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3878,0.119514,0.168578,0.015462,-0.063631,0.049855,-0.029562,-0.00799,-0.005538,0.026997,0.063054,-0.001786,0.01094,-0.019475,-0.011836,-0.019951,0.00053,0.011343,-0.003041,-0.00088,-0.003752,-0.009733,-0.003091,-0.006655,-0.014219,-0.005389

Sardinia_EBA_IA:Sardinia:ORC002,0.119514,0.17264,0.035826,-0.05168,0.074168,-0.026495,-0.00047,-0.001154,0.046631,0.089296,-0.00406,0.020382,-0.038949,-0.013625,-0.016829,-0.007425,0.007823,-0.000127,-0.001885,-0.013632,-0.003619,0.005935,-0.010106,-0.034342,-0.000958
Sardinia_EBA_IA:ITA_Sardinia_EBA,0.1253572,0.1778531,0.0436706,-0.0511417,0.0806305,-0.0266619,-0.0064391,0.0002615,0.058712,0.095431,-0.0010067,0.0160058,-0.0319918,-0.012175,-0.0131377,-0.0052154,0.0081533,0.0006503,0.0050027,-0.0076203,0.0047499,0.0039815,-0.0115524,-0.0290724,0.0011975

Early_Slav_EMA:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634

Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790729,0.087644,0.147252,-0.067505,-0.097546,-0.017849,-0.041834,-0.003525,-0.009,0.008999,0.008018,0.021273,-0.007343,0.022002,0.007432,-0.011401,0.000928,-0.011604,-0.002027,0.004777,0.014132,0.011355,0.018548,-0.000123,-0.006145,0.005868
Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790730,0.084229,0.146236,-0.056945,-0.091732,-0.008309,-0.043786,-0.00658,-0.000923,0.005522,0.005467,0.01088,-0.008243,0.014569,0.000275,-0.012079,0.016574,0.011735,0.003674,-0.001131,0.005628,0.001622,0.005688,-0.003328,0.008194,-0.002155
Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790731,0.079676,0.153345,-0.057699,-0.100453,-0.003693,-0.041834,-0.00564,-0.006,0.017794,0.010387,0.007795,-0.017534,0.029137,0.000688,-0.008958,0.009679,0.000913,-0.006714,0.005405,-0.005628,0.001248,0.00507,0.006286,0.004097,0.000599
Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790732,0.075123,0.150298,-0.060716,-0.097223,-0.007078,-0.037929,-0.012456,-0.009692,0.017385,0.015126,0.009094,-0.005245,0.021407,0.007432,-0.002307,0.000928,-0.003129,-0.00228,0.001257,0.002001,0.001996,0.002597,-0.00037,0.000843,-0.003832
Levant_BA:Levant_Sidon_MBA:ERS1790733,0.079676,0.137096,-0.063733,-0.102714,-0.015695,-0.029284,0.00423,-0.007384,0.007567,0.011845,0.00341,-0.010491,0.020812,0.011698,-0.003122,0.004508,0.001304,0.001394,-0.002765,0.005127,0.005116,0.005812,-0.008751,0.000964,-0.002994
Levant_BA:ISR:Ashkelon_IA2:ASH8,0.080814,0.145221,-0.066373,-0.101422,-0.021542,-0.029562,-0.003055,-0.012923,0.003272,0.002005,0.012179,-0.008393,0.019475,0.003303,0.001086,0.010872,-0.00339,0.001394,0.007668,-0.003627,0.006988,0.001731,0,0.000241,0.003473
Levant_BA:Levant_Yehud_IBA:I7003,0.087644,0.160454,-0.054682,-0.102391,-0.006155,-0.041555,-0.004935,-0.002769,0.026588,0.013668,0.019487,-0.008243,0.016204,0.030139,-0.007329,-0.007823,-0.026077,0.003421,0.006662,0.005753,-0.00861,0.013973,-0.006039,0.003374,-0.002515
Levant_BA:Levant_Megiddo_MLBA,0.0861261,0.1455592,-0.0646134,-0.1002072,-0.014596,-0.0394563,-0.0045434,-0.0097249,0.0131382,0.0089382,0.0103465,-0.0088707,0.0219027,0.0020119,-0.007316,0.005411,-0.0024898,0.004217,0.0036812,0.0073607,0.0047534,0.0040982,-0.0049357,-0.0025361,-0.0014427
Levant_BA:Levant_Megiddo_IA,0.084229,0.150298,-0.060716,-0.091409,-0.014464,-0.044623,-0.00517,-0.005077,0.011658,0.006014,0.012179,-0.007343,0.019177,0.006193,-0.002307,0.002254,-0.026207,0.005828,0.00729,-0.005753,0.001622,-0.002226,-0.006162,-0.000843,-0.005987
Levant_BA:Levant_Megiddo_IBA,0.078538,0.152329,-0.058077,-0.112405,0.001846,-0.044344,-0.01034,-0.009,0.030883,0.00164,0.012829,-0.013038,0.026016,-0.001651,-0.008686,0.013259,-0.005085,0.008868,-0.000126,0.001751,-0.000624,0.006059,-0.008134,0.000241,-0.004431

BedouinA_Arab_North_Modern,0.0285823,0.1335987,-0.047601,-0.0827598,-0.0138829,-0.0323513,-0.0107061,-0.0046408,0.0234522,-0.0016198,0.0081734,-0.0107237,0.0247439,0.0004741,0.0015682,0.0070567,-0.0027381,-0.0022382,-0.0034079,0.008254,0.0002081,0.002528,0.0001916,0.0017672,-0.0015967

BedouinB_Arab_South_Modern,0.041925,0.1439232,-0.0598156,-0.1169808,-0.0093179,-0.0480622,-0.0141008,-0.0087432,0.05154,-0.0052038,0.0158689,-0.0305729,0.0629496,0.004855,0.0043959,0.0288529,-0.0199706,0.00366,-0.0040153,0.029,0.0109668,0.0152299,-0.0039166,0.0071025,-0.0083092

South_Semitic_EBA:Arabian_Bedouins:Levant_JOR_EBA:I1706,0.071709,0.139128,-0.062225,-0.111113,-0.008001,-0.043507,-0.011751,-0.015692,0.041723,0.009476,0.013316,-0.019782,0.049653,-0.00523,0.000814,0.028639,-0.000522,-0.00038,-0.001131,0.020135,0.006364,0.012489,-0.00419,0.003133,-0.002036

Berberes_MA:Canary_Islands_Guanche:gun005,-0.01935,0.125926,0.004148,-0.056848,0.049855,-0.029841,-0.034782,0.005307,0.066675,0.028247,0.00406,-0.006894,0.016204,-0.015276,0.019544,0.001856,0.017993,-0.01761,-0.034567,0.018384,-0.0141,-0.025596,0.020706,-0.006145,-0.011376

Yetos · Oct 27, 2021

ihype02 said:
Now I even doubt E-V13 existed at all among Classical Age Peloponnesians. Let's wait and see.
There is something strange with Peloponnesians being so northern shifted and close to Greek Macedonians when they have half of I2a and R1a that Greek Macedonians have.

Maybe the Dorian blood,
what Makedonians claim.

TaktikatEMalet · Oct 29, 2021

Yetos said:
Maybe the Dorian blood,
what Makedonians claim.

Macedonia didnt exist at 1200bc - at least not as an ethnic group. Dorian movements seem to line up with that of the illyrians who also crossed the sea to italy

bnuizqueb · Nov 24, 2021

The Dorian movements were more likely to coincide with the Illyrians, who also crossed the sea to Italy. Then they landed and tried to equip themselves on new lands

Jovialis · Nov 24, 2021

Why is the word land linked to the California social security website?

ihype02 · Dec 11, 2021

I have changed my mind about E-V13 in Ancient Peloponnese, I think it existed but it was not very mainstream compared to J2a.

MOESAN · Dec 12, 2021

Pax Augusta said:
Seems pretty pseudo-scholarship.

We are living a beautiful and rich time where come to life a lot of "scientific" papers finding cognates everywhere.
Maybe I'm a bit conservative. I know some surprising ties can emerge between words seeming very far one from another but...
these lists of "cognates" don't convince me for the most. It is not thefirst time helas.

Jovialis · Dec 14, 2021

Catacomb Culture + Minoan is a good fit for the Mycenaeans (and me), but not for the northern Greece Logkas samples from Clemente et al. 2021.

Dodecad K12b

Source:

Code:

Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019,25.71,4.68,0,0.61,7.93,55.69,0,0,0,0,2.4,2.97
Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019,29.97,2.83,0,0.37,3.73,54.49,1.01,0,0,0,5.99,1.62
Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019,26.39,2.57,0,0,2.96,54.74,2.09,0,0,0,10.33,0.92
Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019,29.4,1.88,0,0,2.25,59.81,0.86,0,0,0,5.54,0.24
Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019,28.23,2.3,0,0,0.76,59.25,1.7,0,0,0,6.52,1.23
Minoan:Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0.62,0.55,37.53,0,0,0,15.52,0,45.7,0.09
Minoan:Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017,1.16,0,2.96,0,37.9,0.23,0,0,13.01,0,44.59,0.15
Minoan:Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017,0,0.05,2.92,0.4,36.38,0,0,0,13.48,0,46.7,0.07
Minoan:Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017,0.58,0,4.33,0,39.44,0,0,0,12.45,0,43.19,0
Minoan:Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
Minoan:Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0,0,40.33,0,0,1.41,8.2,0,50.06,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017,6.38,2.36,3.13,0,48.96,0,0,0,14.8,1.02,23.34,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,4.55,0,44.82,0,0,0,13.21,0,37.43,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017,1.38,0,0.19,0,41.77,0,0,0.28,17.61,0,38.77,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017,5.16,0,0,0,36.32,0,0,0,19.19,0,39.01,0.33
Minoan:Petras_EBA:Pta08:Clemente_2021,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72

Target:

Code:

Mycenaean:I9006:Lazaridis_2017,3.38,0,1.25,0,36.32,5.47,0,0,7.73,1.07,44.26,0.51
Mycenaean:I9010:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,3.66,1.15,38.24,6.6,0.59,0.65,13.92,0,35.19,0
Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017,1.55,1.33,2.36,0,39.11,8.61,2.19,0,7.76,0,34.35,2.74
Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017,3.15,0,2.41,0,37.19,8.87,0,0,10.69,0,37.17,0.52
Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017,5.02,0,5.95,0,40.19,14.38,0,0,10.66,0,23.79,0
Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021,2.02,0.51,1.68,0.46,32.46,23.57,0,0.25,7.97,0,30.09,1
Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021,7.05,1.16,0.26,0,31.18,28.21,0,0.13,4.25,0.92,24.07,2.77

Palermo Trapani · Dec 14, 2021

Jovialis: Thanks for the data in your post 3207. Using the Minoan coordinates, I quickly ran my distances, and modern Italian samples on Dodecad 12B updated to see what they looked like. I get a good fit as well (Distance of 1.7). Italian regions of Umbria, Molise, Basilicata, Apulia, Calabria, Campania, Lazio, Marche, Romagna and Sicily all get distances < 5. Not using 0.25X adjustment, Lazio and Marche are at 5.5 and 5.7, Umbria and Romagna are at 7.3 and 8.1 respectively, all others still < 5.

Target	Distance \| ADC: 0.25x RC	Catacomb	Minoan
PalermoTrapani_Combined	1.64227469	•	23.4	76.6
Italian_Umbria	4.20071798	•	32.4	67.6
Italian_Molise	1.69240073	•	25.9	74.1
Italian_Basilicata	1.71222858	•	26.9	73.1
Italian_Abruzzo	1.68559202	•	27.5	72.5
Italian_Aosta_Valley	14.70491823	•	40.1	59.9
Italian_Apulia	1.87286692	•	29.4	70.6
Italian_Calabria	2.75128617	•	21.5	78.5
Italian_Campania	1.31599825	•	23.8	76.2
Italian_Emilia	7.65005171	•	33.5	66.5
Italian_Friuli_VG	10.15109510	•	42.4	57.6
Italian_Jews	6.10647569	•	17.9	82.1
Italian_Lazio	3.06669424	•	32.8	67.2
Italian_Liguria	8.37222811	•	33.4	66.6
Italian_Lombardy	11.03346138	•	34.4	65.6
Italian_Marche	2.91747465	•	30.8	69.2
Italian_Piedmont	9.81551356	•	37.1	62.9
Italian_Romagna	4.77672029	•	32.3	67.7
Italian_Sicily	1.46602302	•	25.0	75.0
Italian_Trentino	13.39768844	•	40.4	59.6
Italian_Tuscany	6.51064946	•	32.7	67.3
Italian_Veneto	10.26429740	•	38.9	61.1
Sardinian	14.15375411	•	2.1	97.9
Average	6.14175699	•	29.8	70.2

Jovialis · Dec 14, 2021

^^Interesting, the difference in fitness can be primarily explained by different bronze age migrations imo.

Angela · Dec 14, 2021

Distance to:	Angela
8.36580540	Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
10.74503141	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
14.02280286	Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
14.26813933	Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
16.01455588	Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017
18.14376477	Mycenaean:I9010:Lazaridis_2017
22.89048055	Mycenaean:I9006:Lazaridis_2017
23.21414009	Minoan:Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017
24.12944881	Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
25.82338862	Minoan:Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017
25.93733602	Minoan:Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017
26.59358381	Minoan:Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017
26.97469740	Minoan:Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017
27.44410319	Minoan:Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017
28.00880040	Minoanetras_EBAta08:Clemente_2021
29.34653472	Minoan:Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017
29.48955069	Minoan:Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017
30.80163957	Minoan:Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017
59.00287959	Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019
59.28986844	Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019
61.13042041	Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019
64.92419657	Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019
65.09018820	Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019

Distance to:	Angela
5.86436026	68.60% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 + 31.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
5.94939797	60.40% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017 + 39.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
6.00573213	35.60% Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017 + 64.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
6.18070743	36.40% Minoan:Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017 + 63.60% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
6.56664847	27.60% Minoan:Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017 + 72.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
6.98150409	50.60% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 49.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
7.70561399	5.20% Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019 + 94.80% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
7.72873009	42.20% Mycenaean:I9010:Lazaridis_2017 + 57.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
7.77107155	4.60% Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019 + 95.40% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
7.77729952	4.60% Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019 + 95.40% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
7.81619010	32.60% Minoan:Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017 + 67.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
7.81817878	4.80% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 95.20% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
7.83891674	4.60% Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019 + 95.40% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.01435267	17.20% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 82.80% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.12049317	8.60% Mycenaean:I9006:Lazaridis_2017 + 91.40% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.14629984	46.00% Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017 + 54.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
8.21653488	10.20% Mycenaean:I9041:Lazaridis_2017 + 89.80% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.22556448	31.60% Minoan:Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017 + 68.40% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
8.24842981	4.40% Minoan:Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017 + 95.60% Armenoi_Crete:I9123:Lazaridis_2017
8.50655072	16.00% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 84.00% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017
8.62659425	31.80% Minoan:Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017 + 68.20% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
8.74971175	36.20% Mycenaean:I9033:Lazaridis_2017 + 63.80% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021
8.80798243	27.80% Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019 + 72.20% Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017
8.90561834	30.00% Minoan:Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017 + 70.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
8.95420844	21.00% Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017 + 79.00% Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log02:Clemente_2021

Jovialis · Dec 14, 2021

I added Beaker North Italy, and the fits came out a lot better across the board, with the exception of Sardinia.

Here it is for the original Dodecad populations:

Code:

Catacomb:MJ-09:Jarve_2019,25.71,4.68,0,0.61,7.93,55.69,0,0,0,0,2.4,2.97
Catacomb:MK3003:Wang_2019,29.97,2.83,0,0.37,3.73,54.49,1.01,0,0,0,5.99,1.62
Catacomb:RK4001:Wang_2019,26.39,2.57,0,0,2.96,54.74,2.09,0,0,0,10.33,0.92
Catacomb:RK4002:Wang_2019,29.4,1.88,0,0,2.25,59.81,0.86,0,0,0,5.54,0.24
Catacomb:SA6003:Wang_2019,28.23,2.3,0,0,0.76,59.25,1.7,0,0,0,6.52,1.23
Minoan:Lasithi:I0070:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0.62,0.55,37.53,0,0,0,15.52,0,45.7,0.09
Minoan:Lasithi:I0071:Lazaridis_2017,1.16,0,2.96,0,37.9,0.23,0,0,13.01,0,44.59,0.15
Minoan:Lasithi:I0073:Lazaridis_2017,0,0.05,2.92,0.4,36.38,0,0,0,13.48,0,46.7,0.07
Minoan:Lasithi:I0074:Lazaridis_2017,0.58,0,4.33,0,39.44,0,0,0,12.45,0,43.19,0
Minoan:Lasithi:I9005:Lazaridis_2017,1.52,0,5.68,0,37.33,0,0,0,16.14,0,39.25,0.08
Minoan:Odigitria:I9127:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,0,0,40.33,0,0,1.41,8.2,0,50.06,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9128:Lazaridis_2017,6.38,2.36,3.13,0,48.96,0,0,0,14.8,1.02,23.34,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9129:Lazaridis_2017,0,0,4.55,0,44.82,0,0,0,13.21,0,37.43,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9130:Lazaridis_2017,1.38,0,0.19,0,41.77,0,0,0.28,17.61,0,38.77,0
Minoan:Odigitria:I9131:Lazaridis_2017,5.16,0,0,0,36.32,0,0,0,19.19,0,39.01,0.33
Minoan:Petras_EBA:Pta08:Clemente_2021,0,0,3.85,0.33,34.73,0.38,0.14,0.05,14.68,0.48,43.65,1.72
Beaker_Northern_Italy:I2478:Olalde_2018,4.97,0,0,0.15,47.73,28.87,0.74,0,3.49,0.84,12.34,0.86

Malaparte · Dec 15, 2021

Jovialis -- please forgive the naive question, but my involvement with this "hobby" is very sporadic and so I tend to miss a lot of basic points -- I take it that you're trying to model Italian ancestry as a 3-way mix of Bell Beaker, Catacomb and Minoan. This suggests that Catacomb ancestry makes no contribution to Bell Beaker and by extension the Italo-Celtic component? So we have, then, something like this ==

Bell Beaker = WHG + Cucuteni-T EEF + Yamnaya-like ---> and this enters Italy from the Alps, after moving up along Danube

Catacomb = whatever was north of Yamnaya in the forest steppe (EHG + ANE ? + maybe SHG ?) ---> this enters Italy by crossing Adriatic (i.e., it moves south into the steppe and then west through modern-day Romania and Serbia)

Minoan = Aegean EEF (WHG + AN + some CHG) ---> enters Italy by way of the Ionian Sea

And is it still safe to say that Romans descend from Bell Beaker and not Catacomb?

Malaparte · Dec 15, 2021

This seems like a strange model, however, because Minoan is basically Minoan when it enters Italy, and Beaker N_Italy is by definition what Bell Beaker was when it entered Italy. However, Catacomb presumably mixes with a lot of stuff before reaching Italy ---> doesn't this throw the model into a dissymmetry?

Or is the extra Catacomb component in all Italians analogous to the extra CHG component in Southern Italy?

Bekas · Dec 15, 2021

Successful qpAdm models for Myceneans and Minoans (with std. errors below 5%, which is usually the threshold for the published papers).

Myceneans= 82.4% Minoans + 12.5% Catacomb + 5% Iran_Ganj_Dareh_N.

Minoans= 91.1% Peloponnese_N + 8.9% Iran_Ganj_Dareh_N.

qpAdm: parameter file: parqpadm.txt
### THE INPUT PARAMETERS
##PARAMETER NAME: VALUE
fstatsname: fstatsa.txt
popleft: left.txt
popright: right.txt
details: YES
## qpAdm version: 1520
seed: 1528841194
*** recommended that inbreed be explicitly set ***
inbreed set NO

left pops:
Greece_BA_Mycenaean
Russia_Steppe_Catacomb
Iran_GanjDareh_N
Greece_Minoan_Lassithi

right pops:
Mbuti.DG
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG
China_Tianyuan
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG
Russia_Sunghir3.SG
Russia_Kostenki14.SG
Spain_ElMiron
Russia_MA1_HG.SG
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG
Papuan.DG
Switzerland_Bichon.SG
Israel_Natufian_published
Morocco_Iberomaurusian
Russia_AfontovaGora3
ONG.SG
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG

codimension 1
f4info:
f4rank: 2 dof: 13 chisq: 19.082 tail: 0.120595262 dofdiff: 15 chisqdiff: -19.082 taildiff: 1
B:
scale 1.000 1.000
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.266 0.161
China_Tianyuan 0.011 0.551
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.073 0.149
Russia_Sunghir3.SG 1.197 0.134
Russia_Kostenki14.SG 0.854 0.309
Spain_ElMiron 1.721 0.259
Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.458 1.925
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.121 0.457
Papuan.DG 0.164 0.256
Switzerland_Bichon.SG 1.757 0.787
Israel_Natufian_published 2.230 -1.432
Morocco_Iberomaurusian 1.154 -0.479
Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.181 2.707
ONG.SG 0.139 0.297
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.332 0.416
A:
scale 545.882 557.979
Russia_Steppe_Catacomb 0.114 1.712
Iran_GanjDareh_N -1.726 -0.015
Greece_Minoan_Lassithi 0.088 -0.259

full rank
f4info:
f4rank: 3 dof: 0 chisq: 0.000 tail: 1 dofdiff: 13 chisqdiff: 19.082 taildiff: 0.120595262
B:
scale 324.164 301.743 1608.973
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.123 -0.298 -0.344
China_Tianyuan 0.365 -0.167 -1.466
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.019 -0.188 -0.859
Russia_Sunghir3.SG 0.193 -1.130 0.366
Russia_Kostenki14.SG 0.544 -0.643 1.334
Spain_ElMiron 0.415 -1.617 0.720
Russia_MA1_HG.SG 1.863 -0.494 -1.556
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.539 0.212 0.323
Papuan.DG 0.153 -0.252 -0.903
Switzerland_Bichon.SG 0.793 -1.733 -0.743
Israel_Natufian_published -1.567 -2.367 0.117
Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.468 -1.159 0.282
Russia_AfontovaGora3 2.664 -0.204 -2.061
ONG.SG 0.189 -0.237 -0.902
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.356 -0.372 -0.717
A:
scale 1.732 1.732 1.732
Russia_Steppe_Catacomb 1.732 0.000 0.000
Iran_GanjDareh_N 0.000 1.732 0.000
Greece_Minoan_Lassithi 0.000 0.000 1.732

best coefficients: 0.125 0.050 0.824
totmean: 0.125 0.050 0.824
boot mean: 0.125 0.050 0.825
std. errors: 0.041 0.044 0.048

error covariance (* 1,000,000)
1685 -659 -1026
-659 1969 -1310
-1026 -1310 2336

summ: Greece_BA_Mycenaean 3 0.120595 0.125 0.050 0.825 1685 -659 -1026 1969 -1310 ...
2336

fixed pat wt dof chisq tail prob
000 0 13 19.082 0.120595 0.125 0.050 0.824
001 1 14 314.422 0 0.434 0.566 0.000
010 1 14 20.971 0.102374 0.142 0.000 0.858
100 1 14 29.582 0.00871044 0.000 0.101 0.899
011 2 15 410.162 0 1.000 0.000 0.000
101 2 15 386.570 0 0.000 1.000 0.000
110 2 15 33.203 0.00439959 0.000 0.000 1.000
best pat: 000 0.120595 - -
best pat: 010 0.102374 chi(nested): 1.890 p-value for nested model: 0.169254
best pat: 110 0.00439959 chi(nested): 12.232 p-value for nested model: 0.000469809

coeffs: 0.125 0.050 0.824

## dscore:: f_4(Base, Fit, Rbase, right2)
## genstat:: f_4(Base, Fit, right1, right2)

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.000378 0.893445
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.000989 -2.265970
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.000214 -0.523121
dscore: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG f4: -0.000179 Z: -0.465808

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb China_Tianyuan 0.001127 2.406952
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N China_Tianyuan -0.000555 -1.191176
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi China_Tianyuan -0.000911 -2.112067
dscore: China_Tianyuan f4: -0.000638 Z: -1.563491

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.000060 0.170634
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Goyet_Neanderthal.SG -0.000622 -1.727489
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Goyet_Neanderthal.SG -0.000534 -1.657601
dscore: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG f4: -0.000464 Z: -1.519461

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_Sunghir3.SG 0.000597 1.264527
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_Sunghir3.SG -0.003746 -7.611626
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_Sunghir3.SG 0.000228 0.539173
dscore: Russia_Sunghir3.SG f4: 0.000073 Z: 0.183872

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_Kostenki14.SG 0.001679 3.600828
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_Kostenki14.SG -0.002131 -4.382302
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_Kostenki14.SG 0.000829 1.905866
dscore: Russia_Kostenki14.SG f4: 0.000786 Z: 1.906319

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Spain_ElMiron 0.001281 2.565740
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Spain_ElMiron -0.005359 -10.575855
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Spain_ElMiron 0.000448 0.978421
dscore: Spain_ElMiron f4: 0.000259 Z: 0.603674

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.005747 11.454941
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.001636 -3.409054
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.000967 -2.174856
dscore: Russia_MA1_HG.SG f4: -0.000160 Z: -0.380230

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.001664 3.495287
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.000701 1.393540
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.000201 0.434161
dscore: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG f4: 0.000409 Z: 0.941828

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Papuan.DG 0.000473 1.319141
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Papuan.DG -0.000836 -2.288178
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Papuan.DG -0.000561 -1.725037
dscore: Papuan.DG f4: -0.000446 Z: -1.447845

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Switzerland_Bichon.SG 0.002446 5.048279
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.005744 -12.017999
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.000462 -1.028459
dscore: Switzerland_Bichon.SG f4: -0.000364 Z: -0.862877

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Israel_Natufian_published -0.004834 -6.950355
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Israel_Natufian_published -0.007846 -11.642810
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Israel_Natufian_published 0.000073 0.113792
dscore: Israel_Natufian_published f4: -0.000942 Z: -1.530776

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.001443 -4.252763
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.003843 -10.577085
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Morocco_Iberomaurusian 0.000175 0.542468
dscore: Morocco_Iberomaurusian f4: -0.000230 Z: -0.755270

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.008217 13.129681
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.000676 -1.127262
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.001281 -2.310141
dscore: Russia_AfontovaGora3 f4: -0.000060 Z: -0.114136

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb ONG.SG 0.000583 1.657439
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N ONG.SG -0.000787 -2.138653
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi ONG.SG -0.000561 -1.705090
dscore: ONG.SG f4: -0.000429 Z: -1.381335

details: Russia_Steppe_Catacomb Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.001098 2.839498
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.001233 -3.085862
details: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.000446 -1.258996
dscore: Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG f4: -0.000292 Z: -0.869082

gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.466
gendstat: Mbuti.DG China_Tianyuan -1.563
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Goyet_Neanderthal.SG -1.519
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Sunghir3.SG 0.184
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Kostenki14.SG 1.906
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Spain_ElMiron 0.604
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.380
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.942
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Papuan.DG -1.448
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.863
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Israel_Natufian_published -1.531
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.755
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.114
gendstat: Mbuti.DG ONG.SG -1.381
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.869
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG China_Tianyuan -1.035
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Goyet_Neanderthal.SG -0.649
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_Sunghir3.SG 0.570
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_Kostenki14.SG 2.091
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Spain_ElMiron 0.904
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.038
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 1.201
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Papuan.DG -0.724
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.412
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Israel_Natufian_published -1.183
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.128
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.212
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG ONG.SG -0.669
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.290
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.369
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Russia_Sunghir3.SG 1.513
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Russia_Kostenki14.SG 2.889
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Spain_ElMiron 1.817
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.910
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 2.022
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Papuan.DG 0.495
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Switzerland_Bichon.SG 0.568
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Israel_Natufian_published -0.458
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Morocco_Iberomaurusian 0.962
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.980
gendstat: China_Tianyuan ONG.SG 0.523
gendstat: China_Tianyuan Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.861
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Russia_Sunghir3.SG 1.145
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Russia_Kostenki14.SG 2.687
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Spain_ElMiron 1.445
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.636
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 1.729
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Papuan.DG 0.048
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Switzerland_Bichon.SG 0.208
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Israel_Natufian_published -0.744
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian 0.605
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.690
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG ONG.SG 0.092
gendstat: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.418
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Russia_Kostenki14.SG 1.591
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Spain_ElMiron 0.386
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.495
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.673
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Papuan.DG -1.255
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.953
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Israel_Natufian_published -1.523
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.717
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.232
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG ONG.SG -1.228
gendstat: Russia_Sunghir3.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.867
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Spain_ElMiron -1.091
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -1.900
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.757
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Papuan.DG -2.909
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -2.394
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Israel_Natufian_published -2.607
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -2.328
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 -1.446
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG ONG.SG -2.944
gendstat: Russia_Kostenki14.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -2.608
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.797
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.287
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Papuan.DG -1.634
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Switzerland_Bichon.SG -1.357
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Israel_Natufian_published -1.812
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Morocco_Iberomaurusian -1.108
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.542
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron ONG.SG -1.541
gendstat: Spain_ElMiron Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -1.218
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 1.124
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Papuan.DG -0.661
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -0.401
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Israel_Natufian_published -1.110
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -0.159
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.189
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG ONG.SG -0.624
gendstat: Russia_MA1_HG.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.284
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Papuan.DG -1.912
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Switzerland_Bichon.SG -1.548
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Israel_Natufian_published -2.019
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian -1.362
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 -0.800
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG ONG.SG -1.857
gendstat: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -1.494
gendstat: Papuan.DG Switzerland_Bichon.SG 0.191
gendstat: Papuan.DG Israel_Natufian_published -0.805
gendstat: Papuan.DG Morocco_Iberomaurusian 0.636
gendstat: Papuan.DG Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.755
gendstat: Papuan.DG ONG.SG 0.058
gendstat: Papuan.DG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.490
gendstat: Switzerland_Bichon.SG Israel_Natufian_published -0.893
gendstat: Switzerland_Bichon.SG Morocco_Iberomaurusian 0.316
gendstat: Switzerland_Bichon.SG Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.509
gendstat: Switzerland_Bichon.SG ONG.SG -0.153
gendstat: Switzerland_Bichon.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.167
gendstat: Israel_Natufian_published Morocco_Iberomaurusian 1.167
gendstat: Israel_Natufian_published Russia_AfontovaGora3 1.171
gendstat: Israel_Natufian_published ONG.SG 0.815
gendstat: Israel_Natufian_published Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 1.040
gendstat: Morocco_Iberomaurusian Russia_AfontovaGora3 0.319
gendstat: Morocco_Iberomaurusian ONG.SG -0.570
gendstat: Morocco_Iberomaurusian Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.169
gendstat: Russia_AfontovaGora3 ONG.SG -0.705
gendstat: Russia_AfontovaGora3 Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.429
gendstat: ONG.SG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.435

##end of qpAdm: 9.533 seconds cpu 1.270 Mbytes in use

qpAdm: parameter file: parqpadm.txt
### THE INPUT PARAMETERS
##PARAMETER NAME: VALUE
fstatsname: fstatsa.txt
popleft: left.txt
popright: right.txt
details: YES
## qpAdm version: 1520
seed: 1891837379
*** recommended that inbreed be explicitly set ***
inbreed set NO

left pops:
Greece_Minoan_Lassithi
Greece_Peloponnese_N
Iran_GanjDareh_N

right pops:
Mbuti.DG
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG
China_Tianyuan
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG
Turkey_N_published
Georgia_Kotias.SG
Russia_MA1_HG.SG
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG
Papuan.DG
Israel_Natufian_published
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG
ONG.SG

codimension 1
f4info:
f4rank: 1 dof: 10 chisq: 15.117 tail: 0.127863692 dofdiff: 12 chisqdiff: -15.117 taildiff: 1
B:
scale 1.000
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG 0.173
China_Tianyuan -0.007
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.028
Turkey_N_published 2.683
Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.080
Russia_MA1_HG.SG 0.102
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.174
Papuan.DG 0.020
Israel_Natufian_published 1.920
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG 0.175
ONG.SG 0.072
A:
scale 359.708
Greece_Peloponnese_N 0.137
Iran_GanjDareh_N -1.408

full rank
f4info:
f4rank: 2 dof: 0 chisq: 0.000 tail: 1 dofdiff: 10 chisqdiff: 15.117 taildiff: 0.127863692
B:
scale 2412.295 248.383
Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.152 -0.200
China_Tianyuan 1.564 0.100
Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.220 -0.031
Turkey_N_published 2.427 -2.627
Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.282 0.065
Russia_MA1_HG.SG -1.186 -0.173
Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.796 0.136
Papuan.DG -0.528 -0.064
Israel_Natufian_published 0.142 -1.987
Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.135 -0.196
ONG.SG 0.394 -0.056
A:
scale 1.414 1.414
Greece_Peloponnese_N 1.414 0.000
Iran_GanjDareh_N 0.000 1.414

best coefficients: 0.911 0.089
totmean: 0.911 0.089
boot mean: 0.911 0.089
std. errors: 0.015 0.015

error covariance (* 1,000,000)
235 -235
-235 235

summ: Greece_Minoan_Lassithi 2 0.127864 0.911 0.089 235 -235 235

fixed pat wt dof chisq tail prob
00 0 10 15.117 0.127864 0.911 0.089
01 1 11 42.393 1.38468e-05 1.000 0.000
10 1 11 1706.226 0 0.000 1.000
best pat: 00 0.127864 - -
best pat: 01 1.38468e-05 chi(nested): 27.276 p-value for nested model: 1.76368e-07

coeffs: 0.911 0.089

## dscore:: f_4(Base, Fit, Rbase, right2)
## genstat:: f_4(Base, Fit, right1, right2)

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.000063 -0.201415
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.000805 -2.025652
dscore: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG f4: -0.000129 Z: -0.424383

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N China_Tianyuan 0.000648 1.998383
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N China_Tianyuan 0.000403 0.972760
dscore: China_Tianyuan f4: 0.000627 Z: 2.006058

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.000091 0.366840
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Goyet_Neanderthal.SG -0.000123 -0.387982
dscore: Goyet_Neanderthal.SG f4: 0.000072 Z: 0.300411

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Turkey_N_published 0.001006 4.018138
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Turkey_N_published -0.010576 -31.886169
dscore: Turkey_N_published f4: -0.000025 Z: -0.100956

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.000117 -0.360007
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Georgia_Kotias.SG 0.000263 0.648956
dscore: Georgia_Kotias.SG f4: -0.000083 Z: -0.265044

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.000492 -1.400381
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_MA1_HG.SG -0.000697 -1.540864
dscore: Russia_MA1_HG.SG f4: -0.000510 Z: -1.507617

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.000330 -0.884104
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Georgia_Satsurblia.SG 0.000546 1.195605
dscore: Georgia_Satsurblia.SG f4: -0.000252 Z: -0.700714

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Papuan.DG -0.000219 -0.831571
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Papuan.DG -0.000259 -0.757180
dscore: Papuan.DG f4: -0.000222 Z: -0.868458

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Israel_Natufian_published 0.000059 0.132705
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Israel_Natufian_published -0.008002 -15.626274
dscore: Israel_Natufian_published f4: -0.000658 Z: -1.539272

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.000056 -0.206413
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.000788 -2.231425
dscore: Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG f4: -0.000121 Z: -0.463415

details: Greece_Peloponnese_N ONG.SG 0.000163 0.624731
details: Iran_GanjDareh_N ONG.SG -0.000225 -0.669268
dscore: ONG.SG f4: 0.000129 Z: 0.509066

gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG -0.424
gendstat: Mbuti.DG China_Tianyuan 2.006
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.300
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Turkey_N_published -0.101
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Georgia_Kotias.SG -0.265
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -1.508
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Georgia_Satsurblia.SG -0.701
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Papuan.DG -0.868
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Israel_Natufian_published -1.539
gendstat: Mbuti.DG Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG -0.463
gendstat: Mbuti.DG ONG.SG 0.509
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG China_Tianyuan 2.152
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Goyet_Neanderthal.SG 0.538
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Turkey_N_published 0.348
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Georgia_Kotias.SG 0.122
gendstat: Russia_Ust_Ishim.DG Russia_MA1_HG.SG -1.005
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