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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Dude, Haplo has jack to do with phenotype. Albanians have some of the most Dinarics. Most of which are from northwest Albania, whom, up to this point are predominantly E-V13 and J2b. Some ones already told you something similar so its probably going to go over your head.
    ''Haplogroups have nothing to do with phenotype'' not one haplogroup might not have much to do with phenotype, but a whole load of them would.

    Serbians have a lot of Dinarics too I live in the UK but I have a few Serbian and Croat friends, only one Serbian friend of mine is a Slavic type the rest are Dinaric.

    Trouble is during Neolithic in the Balkans South East Europe almost all of the phenotypes were East Alpine, and Mediterranean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Interesting his fatherline was from Northwest Macedonia originally. Could be an assimilated Avaro-Slav, or even Bulgar. Assuming M458-L1029
    Tesla have nothing to do with Macedonia, his deepest origin is from Raška (Sjenica) which is Old Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Tesla have nothing to do with Macedonia, his deepest origin is from Raška (Sjenica) which is Old Serbia.
    How deep? ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    How deep? ....
    Ancestors of Tesla lived in Raška in the middle age, they migrated from Raška to Herzegovina in 15th century, from Herzegovina they migrated to northern Dalmatia (near Knin) in first half of 16th century, and from northern Dalmatia around year 1690 they migrated to southern Lika in village Raduč where is born father of Nikola Tesla.
    Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan because his father was priest in Smiljan, his ancestors lived in Raduč since 1690 which is southern Lika and Smiljan is central Lika.

    Previous surname of Tesla's ancestors were Draganić, and even today village Draganiće exist near Sjenica, also village Draganići exist near Raška town in southwestern Serbia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draganići

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Ancestors of Tesla lived in Raška in the middle age, they migrated from Raška to Herzegovina in 15th century, from Herzegovina they migrated to northern Dalmatia (near Knin) in first half of 16th century, and from northern Dalmatia around year 1690 they migrated to southern Lika in village Raduč where is born father of Nikola Tesla.
    Nikola Tesla was born in Smiljan because his father was priest in Smiljan, his ancestors lived in Raduč since 1690 which is southern Lika and Smiljan is central Lika.

    Previous surname of Tesla's ancestors were Draganić, and even today village Draganiće exist near Sjenica, also village Draganići exist near Raška town in southwestern Serbia https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draganići
    What reliable document or source provides that? There is also a municipality called Draganići in Croatia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragan...arlovac_County

    Draganić is municipality in Karlovac County, Croatia. The municipality consists of the villages of Lug, Goljak, Mrzljaki, Jazvaci, Darići, Budrovci, Bencetici, Barkovići, Draganići, Lazina, Franetici, Vrbanci, and Vrh.[1]
    The combined population is 2,950,[2] of whom 97% are Croats.[3]

    Draganić is a birthplace of Ivan Biličić and Marija Barković, paternal grandparents of Bill Belichick, an American football head coach
    Also Draganići are the medieval Croatian noble family:

    http://plemstvo.hr/obitelji/draganicvrancic

    Dragoja, prvi je Draganich, koji se spominje u kronikama grada Šibenika i to 1332. godine (Duišin 1938)
    First Draganich was mentioned in the chronicles of city of Šibenik as soon as in 1332. That is far before 16th century.

    Šibenik is here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0ibenik

    And Smiljan, birthplace of Nikola Tesla is here:

    https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiljan

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    There are also theories that Nicolas Tesla was ethnic Vlach.
    He did spoken in Romanian with Henri Coanda.

    Anyway, he was born and raised in Serbia. Not matter what Y DNA he had he was part Serbian,part American because a large part of his life he lived in the US.
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    I think Tesla was more American that Serbian, because a larger part of his life he lived in the US.

    As for YDNA being linked to ethnicity I highly doubt any of the states:
    US,Russia, European Union states, China or UK and rest of Commonwealth states will grant you citizenship because you have a certain Y DNA.
    If you have I1 and you are not a citizen of one of the Nordic Council states, go ask citizenship to Finland,Norway,Denmark,Sweden,Iceland invoking the reason that you are bearing I1 as paternal line.
    See what will happen :) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    There are also theories that Nicolas Tesla was ethnic Vlach.
    He did spoken in Romanian with Henri Coanda.

    Anyway, he was born and raised in Serbia. Not matter what Y DNA he had he was part Serbian,part American because a large part of his life he lived in the US.
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    I think Tesla was more American that Serbian, because a larger part of his life he lived in the US.
    Where did you get that? Nikola Tesla visited Serbia (Belgrade) only once in his life. I think it was a one-day visit. He was already famous then and the Serbian politicians wanted to take selfies...

    I don't understand why people, especially those from Serbia, are trying so hard to obscure the Tesla's origin. He was born in Smiljan, a village in Croatia near a city of Gospić where he attended the middle school. His Serbian identity is due the fact that his father was a priest of a Serbian Orthodox Church. The confessional preferences made that the Orthodox population in Croatia later opted for a Serbian identity rather then Croatan which is predominantly Chatholic. The legends that tell they all came from Serbia was just a nation building mithology.

    Even an English wikipedia stated this:

    Born and raised in the Austrian Empire, Tesla received an advanced education in engineering and physics in the 1870s and gained practical experienc
    Sadly, not a single word that it was actualy Croatia. It is so weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    There are also theories that Nicolas Tesla was ethnic Vlach.
    He did spoken in Romanian with Henri Coanda.

    Anyway, he was born and raised in Serbia. Not matter what Y DNA he had he was part Serbian,part American because a large part of his life he lived in the US.
    EDIT:
    I think Tesla was more American that Serbian, because a larger part of his life he lived in the US.

    As for YDNA being linked to ethnicity I highly doubt any of the states:
    US,Russia, European Union states, China or UK and rest of Commonwealth states will grant you citizenship because you have a certain Y DNA.
    If you have I1 and you are not a citizen of one of the Nordic Council states, go ask citizenship to Finland,Norway,Denmark,Sweden,Iceland invoking the reason that you are bearing I1 as paternal line.
    See what will happen :) .
    He was born in Croatia, which was then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His father is of Serbian descent. But he himself nor his family was born in Serbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihaitzateo View Post
    There are also theories that Nicolas Tesla was ethnic Vlach.
    He did spoken in Romanian with Henri Coanda.

    Anyway, he was born and raised in Serbia. Not matter what Y DNA he had he was part Serbian,part American because a large part of his life he lived in the US.
    EDIT:
    I think Tesla was more American that Serbian, because a larger part of his life he lived in the US.

    As for YDNA being linked to ethnicity I highly doubt any of the states:
    US,Russia, European Union states, China or UK and rest of Commonwealth states will grant you citizenship because you have a certain Y DNA.
    If you have I1 and you are not a citizen of one of the Nordic Council states, go ask citizenship to Finland,Norway,Denmark,Sweden,Iceland invoking the reason that you are bearing I1 as paternal line.
    See what will happen :) .
    Tesla have nothing to do with Vlachs.
    Native village of Nikola Tesla is located around 200 km from Istria where it was few Vlachs (Istroromanian/Ćići) villages.
    Nikola Tesla was pure and proud Serb, and Croatian and Romanian wishes about that he was Croatian or Romanian origin are just lunatic fantasies.

    Real Vlach haplogroups are eastern R1b, E1b and J2b2, Tesla was R1a-M458 and even if he was I2a-Din he is still Slavic, because R1a-M458 and I2a-Din are both Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    He was born in Croatia, which was then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His father is of Serbian descent. But he himself nor his family was born in Serbia.
    Ancestors of Nikola Tesla came to Lika region (in village Raduč https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč) in year 1690 from northern Dalmatia, to northern Dalmaria they came from Herzegovina in first half of 16th century and in Herzegovina they came from Raška (Old Serbia) in 15th century.

    Ancestors of Nikola Tesla lived in Raška region (sothwestern Serbia), probably near town Sjenica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjenica

    Milutin Tesla father of Nikola Tesla is born in village Raduč in Lika, ancestors of Tesla lived in Raduč since 1690 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč#Notable_people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Nikola Tesla was pure and proud Serb, and Croatian and Romanian wishes about that he was Croatian or Romanian origin are just lunatic fantasies.
    Let us suppose that this family theory you told us is true (which is highly questionable):

    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus
    Ancestors of Tesla lived in Raška in the middle age, they migrated from Raška to Herzegovina in 15th century, from Herzegovina they migrated to northern Dalmatia (near Knin) in first half of 16th century, and from northern Dalmatia around year 1690 they migrated to southern Lika in village Raduč where is born father of Nikola Tesla.
    How many ancestors who lived 400-500 years ago a person can have? Do you realy believe that all of them were “pure Serbs”, taking into an account that the "family" lived practically all that time in Croatia? Imagine that the similar family emigrated into France or Italy. How “pure Serbs” would their members be after 400 years?

    And Republic of Serbia named Belgrade Airport after a person whose ancestor is believed (not sure) originated on the territory of Serbia 500 years ago!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    Let us suppose that this family theory you told us is true (which is highly questionable): How many ancestors who lived 400-500 years ago a person can have? Do you believe that all of them were “pure Serbs”, taking into an account that the family lived practically all that time in Croatia? Imagine that the similar family emigrated into France or Italy. How “pure Serbs” would their members be after 400 years?
    When I say ancestors of Nikola Tesla I'm thinking of paternal line.
    But all other ancestors of Tesla (not only by paternal line) were Serbs, for example mother of Nikola Tesla (Đuka) was also Serbian from family Mandić.

    Untile 1995 native village of Nikola Tesla Raduč was pure Serbian village for many centuries, and not only Raduč, southern Lika, northern Dalmatia and western Bosnia had Serbian majority in the last 5 centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč#...n/Demographics

    Until 1995 there was only 2 villages near Raduč with Croatian (Bunjevci) majority; Lovinac and Sveti Rok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    When I say ancestors of Nikola Tesla I'm thinking of paternal line.
    But all ancestors of Tesala (not only by paternal line) were Serbs, for example mother of Nikola Tesla is also Serbian from family Mandić.

    Native village of Nikola Tesla Raduča were pure Serbian village for many centuries, and not only Raduč, southern Lika, northern Dalmatian and western Bosnia had Serbian majority in the last 5 centuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč#...n/Demographics

    Until 1995 there was only 2 villages near Raduč with Croatian (Bunjevci) majority; Lovinac and Sveti Rok.
    These villages were often exchanging the brides and there were many faith conversions as well. There was no genetic "purity" there. Nor cultural nor confessional.

    By the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century the Orthodox believers opted for modern Serbian national identity under the influence of the Orthodox priests, even though they had no relations to Serbia whatsoever. However some member of Tesla clan were still keeping their Croatian identity before WWI for which we know from US immigration records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    These villages were often exchanging the brides and there were many faith conversions as well. There was no genetic "purity" there. Nor cultural nor confessional.

    By the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century the Orthodox believers opted for modern Serbian national identity under the influence of the Orthodox priests, even though they had no relations to Serbia whatsoever. However some member of Tesla clan were still keeping their Croatian identity before WWI for which we know from US immigration records.
    Nikola Tesla was not of Croatian origin.

    Father of Nikola Tesla was Milutin Tesla and he was Orthodox priest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Early_years

    Milutin is pure Serbian name, Serbian king from middle age was Milutin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Milutin

    Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Nikola Tesla was not of Croatian origin.

    Father of Nikola Tesla was Milutin Tesla and he was Orthodox priest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Early_years

    Milutin is pure Serbian name, Serbian king from middle age was Milutin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Milutin

    Deal with it.
    Then I assume that Hannibal Lecter is probably Carthaginian?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Lecter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    Then I assume that Hannibal Lecter is probably Carthaginian?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Lecter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal

    Hannibal Lecter is fictional person which have nothing to do with Carthaginians.
    Unlike Hannibal Lecter Mulutin Tesla was real person of same nationality as king Milutin.

    If Tesla was Croatian his father should be Krešimir, Domagoj or Tomislav, and not Milutin same as Serbian king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Hannibal Lecter is fictional person which have nothing to do with Carthaginians.
    Unlike Hannibal Lecter Mulutin Tesla was real person of same nationality as king Milutin.

    If Tesla was Croatian his father should be Krešimir, Domagoj or Tomislav, and not Milutin same as Serbian king.
    OK, if Mr. Lecter wasn’t good example, let’s take the name Tomislav for instance which is quite popular in Serbia. Tomislav was Croatian king. Does it mean that the Serbs with that name are actually Croats?

    It is true that Serbian churches are full of portraits of Serbian medieval lords. Among them is Milutin as this fresco shows:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Milutinst.jpg

    What could one expect of an average believer of Serbian Church then to name his children after these people? However, that has nothing to do with the religion, ethnicity or genetics of their ancestors.

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    Tesla himself put an end to the debate in 1936, when he sent a telegram to Croatian politician Vlatko Macek, that read:


    "Thank you very much for your much-appreciated greetings and honors, I am equally proud of my Serb origin and my Croat homeland. Long live all Yugoslavs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zvrk9 View Post
    Tesla himself put an end to the debate in 1936, when he sent a telegram to Croatian politician Vlatko Macek, that read: "Thank you very much for your much-appreciated greetings and honors, I am equally proud of my Serb origin and my Croat homeland. Long live all Yugoslavs."
    These were not his own words but Maček's.

    Tesla only politely confirmed. Some words are not properly translated to English. The Croatian word "rod" means kin, not origin. The sentence reflects the knowledge and ideas of its time. It was already a period of Yugoslavia when a process of national identification of the Croatian Orthodox believers as Serbs was already finished. A public perception was that they all were Serbs by the ethnicity.

    However, we speak here about the older origin which could had been different.

    Edit: We'd like to see what is written about it in Tesla's secret diary which is hold in Belgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    These were not his own words but Maček's.

    Tesla only politely confirmed. Some words are not properly translated to English. The Croatian word "rod" means kin, not origin. The sentence reflects the knowledge and ideas of its time. It was already a period of Yugoslavia when a process of national identification of the Croatian Orthodox believers as Serbs was already finished. A public perception was that they all were Serbs by the ethnicity.

    However, we speak here about the older origin which could had been different.

    Edit: We'd like to see what is written about it in Tesla's secret diary which is hold in Belgrade.
    Well, his earliest ancestor was from Northwest Macedonia right? So, chances are his earliest known ancestor was a Bulgarian, Vlach, or Serb. His mother was Croatian, no? So, he is at least 50/50. What seems to be the issue of dispute between the two of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Well, his earliest ancestor was from Northwest Macedonia right? So, chances are his earliest known ancestor was a Bulgarian, Vlach, or Serb. His mother was Croatian, no? So, he is at least 50/50. What seems to be the issue of dispute between the two of you?
    His ancestors were not from Macedonia, his earlieast ancestors were from Raška (Sandžak) which is the heart of Serbian medieval state.

    His morther were not Croatian.

    Only rellation of Tesla with Croatians is that because his was born on the territory of modern Croatia, but there was no Croatia when he was born, Croatia is created in year 1991 and Tesla was born 1856 (Tesla is 135 years older than Croatia).

    Tesla was born in Austrian Empire (Millitary Frontier) and not in Croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Well, his earliest ancestor was from Northwest Macedonia right? So, chances are his earliest known ancestor was a Bulgarian, Vlach, or Serb. His mother was Croatian, no? So, he is at least 50/50. What seems to be the issue of dispute between the two of you?
    Where did you get that? The ancestral surname of Tesla is Draganić. The Draganićs are first mentioned early as in the 14th century as Croatian nobility in the chronicles of city Šibenik. Tesla's ancestors came to Lika from Dalmatia. That fits.

    http://plemstvo.hr/obitelji/draganicvrancic

    According to unpublished Tesla's diary, one of the family branches, Tesla's ancestors, converted from Catholicism to Orthodox Christianity, That is why they later declared themselves as Serbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    His ancestors were not from Macedonia, his earlieast ancestors were from Raška (Sandžak) which is the heart of Serbian medieval state.

    His morther were not Croatian.

    Only rellation of Tesla with Croatians is that because his was born on the territory of modern Croatia, but there was no Croatia when he was born, Croatia is created in year 1991 and Tesla was born 1856 (Tesla is 135 years older than Croatia).

    Tesla was born in Austrian Empire (Millitary Frontier) and not in Croatia.
    Maybe his descent is recently from Sandzak. However, per what I have read, and discussed with other Serbs, his earliest paternal ancestor(like around the time of the Ottoman Empire) was supposedly surnamed Draganic or Dragic, and was from Northwest Macedonia. If his earliest ancestor was from there, his origin is likely Vlach, Bulgarian or Serb. Given his Y-DNA being more predominant in R1a Bulgarians Macedonians, maybe this is where it came from? It would depend i guess on the terminal SNP of the family member of his tested. Regardless of it being called the Austro-Hungarian Empire, per his biography and every accepted record I have read, he was born in Lika, Croatia, which was then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    Where did you get that? The ancestral surname of Tesla is Draganić. The Draganićs are first mentioned early as in the 14th century as Croatian nobility in the chronicles of city Šibenik. Tesla's ancestors came to Lika from Dalmatia. That fits.

    http://plemstvo.hr/obitelji/draganicvrancic

    According to unpublished Tesla's diary, one of the family branches, Tesla's ancestors, converted from Catholicism to Orthodox Christianity, That is why they later declared themselves as Serbs.
    Not certain. This information (with regards to northwest macedonia origin) was in a forum

    Makes sense. M458-L1029 is practically non-existent/negligible among Serbs. M458 in the Balkans seems most common in Bulgarians, Macedonians, Croatians and Northern Greeks.

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