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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Documents, please.
    I gave you a link, if you don't know to read it is your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    There is a more holders of I2a-Din among Serbs than among Croatians.

    So what? It has nothing to do with anything.

    Here you prove what you're saying, deal with it!!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ats-to-Croatia

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    He is typical Dinaric who knows maybe he inherit Slavic R1A-M458 from steppes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    I gave you a link, if you don't know to read it is your problem.
    I need historical records about origin of the Tesla family. Where are those records?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    So what? It has nothing to do with anything.

    Here you prove what you're saying, deal with it!!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ats-to-Croatia
    Do you suggest that today there is a larger number of holders of "original Croatian haplogroup" among Serbs than among Croatians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    I need historical records about origin of the Tesla family. Where are those records?
    In Turkish archives in Istanbul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    In Turkish archives in Istanbul.
    If you do not have any records about origins of Tesla family, why do you claim that his ancestors are from Serbia or Serbs? You can not claim it without proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Do you suggest that today there is a larger number of holders of "original Croatian haplogroup" among Serbs than among Croatians?
    All these is written here, deal with it!!!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ats-to-Croatia

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Novak Đoković is also proud Serbian but he is also and Croatian origin.
    Wrong, Novak Đoković is from Serbian tibe Ozrinići from Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozrinići_(tribe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    All these is written here, deal with it!!!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ats-to-Croatia

    That is not scientific research of relevant scientists, those are your fantasies.

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    So what happen to Dinarics I2

    We indigenous to south Balkan Thracians, Dacians and then we move to Dobruja and White Croatia then 4th century Huns chased all Germanics from Dalmatia and your ancestor in 5th century migrate from Dobruja and White Croatia to Dalmatia coast, and my ancestor they never left Dobruja and White Croatia, this how we related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Wrong, Novak Đoković is from Serbian tibe Ozrinići from Montenegro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozrinići_(tribe)
    His mother is a Croatian from Vinkovci (Croatia), what Ozrinići_(tribe) have with Serbians.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    That is not scientific research of relevant scientists, those are your fantasies.
    Take historical records and genetic and refute my fantasies, or deal with it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    His mother is a Croatian from Vinkovci (Croatia), what Ozrinići_(tribe) have with Serbians.?
    Ozrinići are Serbian tribe from Montenegro (Old Montenegero), in the middle age Montenegro was part of Serbia when Vojvodina and Belgrade was not part of Serbia.
    Montenegrins are Serbs, Montenegrin nation does not exist, there was no Montenegrin nation before Josip Broz Tito and Milo Đukanović.
    Genetically Montenegrins are closer to Serbs than to Croatians, deal with it.

    First Serbian state in early middle age was in Herzegovina, Bosnia, Montenegro, southern/central Dalmatian, Raška, western Serbia and western part of Šumadija.
    Modern borders of Serbia are same as borders of Serbia in middle age, Serbia in the early middle age was more western than today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Ozrinići are Serbian tribe from Montenegro (Old Montenegero), in the middle age Montenegro was part of Serbia when Vojvodina and Belgrade was not part of Serbia.
    Montenegrins are Serbs, Montenegrin nation does not exist, there was no Montenegrin nation before Josip Broz Tito and Milo Đukanović.
    Genetically Montenegrins are closer to Serbs than to Croatians, deal with it.

    First Serbian state in early middle age was in Herzegovina, Bosnia, Montenegro, southern/central Dalmatian, Raška, western Serbia and western part of Šumadija.
    Modern borders of Serbia are same as borders of Serbia in middle age, Serbia in the early middle age was more western than today.

    Claiming this without relevant historical records and genetics is unacceptable.

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    Guys, please stop with this fruitless discussion. We are interested in Tesla's origin, not in his self-declaration in the modern sense.

    @Bachus, you don't understand what the term "race" meant in the immigration forms.

    IMO, as of the posts #91 or #92, nothing new and relevant was said.

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    What ethnicity was Nikola Tesla? This is the real debate here, primarily between Croatians and Serbians.
    What is the definition of being Croatian or Serbian today?


    Balkan nation borders moved so much. Your people moved so much. Just look all these maps. As I understand it, Adriatic islands and coast are very DNA diverse. Some famous people like Magellan maybe started their life there. What haplogroup would he be? Pannonia, above Sava and Danube, has its own DNA mixes. In SE Serbia are many other mixes today. You are a mix of so many migrations, colonizations, occupations, and ancient tribes before you even landed on Balkans. Many of your haplogroups changed religion which you often use in defining the ethnic groups.


    You lived together in the same country, and many of your families are mixed autosomal DNA. Many of your people are afraid to declare themselves to be one or the other because of relentless ethnic pressures that you are part of. You killed your own haplotypes as recent as the 90s, based on your ethnic belives and hatred.

    Isn't being Croat or Serb more the state of mind? It is the matter of feeling and your upbringing like it is the case with the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zvrk9 View Post
    What ethnicity was Nikola Tesla? This is the real debate here, primarily between Croatians and Serbians.
    What is the definition of being Croatian or Serbian today?


    Balkan nation borders moved so much. Your people moved so much. Just look all these maps. As I understand it, Adriatic islands and coast are very DNA diverse. Some famous people like Magellan maybe started their life there. What haplogroup would he be? Pannonia, above Sava and Danube, has its own DNA mixes. In SE Serbia are many other mixes today. You are a mix of so many migrations, colonizations, occupations, and ancient tribes before you even landed on Balkans. Many of your haplogroups changed religion which you often use in defining the ethnic groups.


    You lived together in the same country, and many of your families are mixed autosomal DNA. Many of your people are afraid to declare themselves to be one or the other because of relentless ethnic pressures that you are part of. You killed your own haplotypes as recent as the 90s, based on your ethnic belives and hatred.

    Isn't being Croat or Serb more the state of mind? It is the matter of feeling and your upbringing like it is the case with the race.
    Croatian members trying to prove it that Tesla was Croat, which is lunatic.
    Tesla and his ancestors from father's and mother's side were declared Serbs.
    Father of Nikola Tesla was Orthodox priest, and his grandfather (mothrer's father) was also an Orthodox priest.

    Yes, Adriatic islands are quite diverse in haplogruops, every island have some specifities, in Adriatic islands are often exotic haplogroups such as Q in Hvar and Korčula. People from Hvar ans Korčula have the highest percentage of haplogroup Q in Europe, even more than Ashkenazi Jews.
    Some islands of northern Adriatic have 60% R1a, and some Dalmatian islands have 70% I2a-Din, some island have high percentage of J2...
    Unlike Adriatic islands which are quite diverse Dinaric area (Dalmatian hinterland, Bosnia, Herzegovina, part of Montenegro and western Serbia) are no yso diverse, in Dinaric are haplogroup I2a-Din dominates, especially in Dalmatia and Herzegovina.

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    I would not call any members talk lunatic because this all conversation could be called that. The discussion started about Tesla haplogroup and quickly changed to ethnicity.
    How is being Serb or Croat tied to some 4000-year-old DNA haplogroup in addition to what I already stated about your two ethnic groups?
    Did people of Tesla's haplogroup some 4000 years ago (if that is an appropriate age) know that they are one or the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Croatian members trying to prove it that Tesla was Croat, which is lunatic. Tesla and his ancestors from father's and mother's side were declared Serbs. Father of Nikola Tesla was Orthodox priest, and his grandfather (mothrer's father) was also an Orthodox priest. Yes, Adriatic islands are quite diverse in haplogruops, every island have some specifities, in Adriatic islands are often exotic haplogroups such as Q in Hvar and Korčula. People from Hvar ans Korčula have the highest percentage of haplogroup Q in Europe, even more than Ashkenazi Jews. Some islands of northern Adriatic have 60% R1a, and some Dalmatian islands have 70% I2a-Din, some island have high percentage of J2... Unlike Adriatic islands which are quite diverse Dinaric area (Dalmatian hinterland, Bosnia, Herzegovina, part of Montenegro and western Serbia) are no yso diverse, in Dinaric are haplogroup I2a-Din dominates, especially in Dalmatia and Herzegovina.
    What is your point with Hvar island, Q and I2a haplogroup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    What is your point with Hvar island, Q and I2a haplogroup?
    On the other thread I mentioned that because maybe is proto-Croatian.

    On this thread I mentioned Q to say that Adriatic island are are pretty diverse in terms of haplogroups, and some of them are exotic for Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    On the other thread I mentioned that because maybe is proto-Croatian.

    On this thread I mentioned Q to say that Adriatic island are are pretty diverse in terms of haplogroups, and some of them are exotic for Europe.
    Haven't you got a proper answer there?

    What does Island Hvar and Q haplogroup have to do with Tesla's origin?

    Btw. Hvar population represents 0.26% of the total Croatian population (11,000 people), and haplogroup Q is present in only 16% of all males. Islands are isolated areas and prone to genetic drifts, which is the most probably case here. The haplogroup could have come from over the sea, as we count similar percentages on Sicily, and may have belonged to only one man.

    There are as much as 50 populated islands in Croatia! Hvar is just one of them.

    Do you have any sense of proportions?

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    Maybe it is my fault due to the Magellan comment. I read somewhere that he is likely from the island of Hvar.

    Is there anything more to be said about Tesla haplogroup, for now?

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    Tesla and his ancestors from father's and mother's side were declared Serbs.
    That record that they declare (ancestors from father's and mother's side) as Serbs do not exist.

    Father of Nikola Tesla was Orthodox priest, and his grandfather (mothrer's father) was also an Orthodox priest.
    This does not mean that they are Serbs, do you know Croatian history ? We do not have history records who speak about migration of Serbs to Croatia, possibly only to eastern Croatia (Slavonia) and couple of them in western Croatia.

    Yes, Adriatic islands are quite diverse in haplogruops, every island have some specifities, in Adriatic islands are often exotic haplogroups such as Q in Hvar and Korčula.
    Croats come to Illyricum, Dalmatia and Panonia (De Administrando Imperio) and not just to two islands. Who teaches you this?

    People from Hvar ans Korčula have the highest percentage of haplogroup Q in Europe, even more than Ashkenazi Jews.
    Some islands of northern Adriatic have 60% R1a, and some Dalmatian islands have 70% I2a-Din, some island have high percentage of J2...
    Croats come to Illyricum, Dalmatia and Panonia (De Administrando Imperio), do you understand that? Illyricum, Dalmatia and Panonia are not on the islands but on the western part of the Balkans. Do you know geography of Europe ?

    Dinaric area (Dalmatian hinterland, Bosnia, Herzegovina, part of Montenegro and western Serbia) are no yso diverse, in Dinaric are haplogroup I2a-Din dominates, especially in Dalmatia and Herzegovina.
    According to historical data that's exactly where White Croats are coming, and this proves genetics.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ats-to-Croatia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zvrk9 View Post
    Maybe it is my fault due to the Magellan comment. I read somewhere that he is likely from the island of Hvar.
    It is not your fault. We had a discussion here today (about Hvar):

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post529343

    It is his way to obstruct a discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zvrk9 View Post
    Is there anything more to be said about Tesla haplogroup, for now?
    Perhaps we should keep that way.

    However, the whole dispute started because of a confusion created by a website "Poreklo" (as you can observe from the name of the topic). When I looked at their interpretation of Tesla's origin I can only say that there is something really fishy there. Then when I found Croat Ruger Bošković on the list of Serbs than I was definitely convinced that data coming from that site is not credible.

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