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    I'm on this line and have him as a common male ancestor. Italy. Italian, The answer is Italy.

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    The unmutated L line that I have for the Y - DNA ( the original unmutated is from Sardenia, the Sardinian. ) Rest easy and eat pasta

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwalktheearth View Post
    I'm on this line and have him as a common male ancestor. Italy. Italian, The answer is Italy.
    Sorry to break it to you but the line has nothing to do with Italian ancestry. R1a, and L1029(the line Tesla belongs) arrived during the great migration wave with Proto-Slavic tribes, and possibly Germanized Proto-Slavs(Goths). Its presence in Italy can be due to a number of reasons. The romans hired 300 Antes mercenaries(eastern proto slavs) and brought them to Rome to fight the germanic incursions in the North. Alternatively, many Proto-Slavs were assimilated into the Byzantine ethnos, and would have arrived to Sardinia when under their control, or to the Italian mainland as a Greek Speaking or Albanian speaking migrant whose earliest ancestor was an assimilated Proto-Slav. Italy also hired many Slavic mercenaries that were used in its campaigns, and Venetian Dalmatia is another avenue by which assimilation could have occurred of local Slavic tribes.

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    1. Quote Originally Posted by iwalktheearth View Post
      The unmutated L line that I have for the Y - DNA ( the original unmutated is from Sardenia, the Sardinian. ) Rest easy and eat pasta

    Sounds like coping, projecting and wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    Sounds like coping, projecting and wishful thinking.

    Trziniec Culture is considered an offshoot of Corded Ware. I think it could have spread from that cultural horizon, east, south, and predominantly west. This could explain its occurrence in the region of the Volga and Urals(cultural horizon of Volga Bulgars), in Central Europe(with Pannonian Avars and Proto-Slavs) and further Eastward surprisingly upwards of 25 percent of M458 has been found in Nogai, KaraNogai, and Karakalpaks!! According to historical accounts, when the Old Volga Bulgars were overrun by Khazars(pushing some westward into the Balkans) some could have fallen under the Horde. Explaining how it has such a high occurrence in these Mongol tribes. It is also found upwards of 20 percent in North and South Caucasus, among Adyghe, Shapsug, Dargins, and Lezgins. It is roughly 5-10 percent among Caucasian Avars(which may or may not have something to do with Pannonian Avars).

    I assume it spread from the Trziniec culture and was simultaneously apart of Proto-Slavs, Avars, and Volga Bulgars. It is even in Volga Tatars. Imagine the shock if it was actually Avar. I don't think Slavs would cope with the idea that more than 40 percent of central Europe is Avar rape spawn lol. Jokes aside I think these groups all carried it in some proportion. However, it formed a cornerstone of Proto-Slavic tribes.

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    Finally, someone is getting to the meat of his history and it's connection to italy. All the lies wrapped up around this guy called Tesla. He actually moved to usa with his brother. Then Tesla fathered two boys with this woman named maria. She took the boys to zurich then routed them back to the USA through Trieste. Each boy took a different last name, just as Tesla and his brother did upon arrival in the usa. After registering these boys on Ellis island as Slav immigrants (around 1910), each boy took a different last name, just as Tesla and his brother did upon arrival in the usa. . They then moved to Newburgh, NY, where Tesla was working on pre thule anti gravity down on the Hudson just north of Washington Park. This was all hsi return from Colorado and after Huston street was intentionally burned down. SO many lies after 1880, what about the one's from before. I'm speaking directly to the italian draganici bloodline and it's relationship to the Medici family. Indeed, there were engineers among the financiers. It is this bloodline that possesses the ccr5 gene mutation, oddly. The cypher is Apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.draganici View Post
    Finally, someone is getting to the meat of his history and it's connection to italy. All the lies wrapped up around this guy called Tesla. He actually moved to usa with his brother. Then Tesla fathered two boys with this woman named maria. She took the boys to zurich then routed them back to the USA through Trieste. Each boy took a different last name, just as Tesla and his brother did upon arrival in the usa. After registering these boys on Ellis island as Slav immigrants (around 1910), each boy took a different last name, just as Tesla and his brother did upon arrival in the usa. . They then moved to Newburgh, NY, where Tesla was working on pre thule anti gravity down on the Hudson just north of Washington Park. This was all hsi return from Colorado and after Huston street was intentionally burned down. SO many lies after 1880, what about the one's from before. I'm speaking directly to the italian draganici bloodline and it's relationship to the Medici family. Indeed, there were engineers among the financiers. It is this bloodline that possesses the ccr5 gene mutation, oddly. The cypher is Apple.
    I am a little confused lol. What does Tesla and this thread have to do with Medici? and with Draganici(I assume your line). How does any of that have to do with the threads discussion of his bloodline?

    Also as far as I can tell, Tesla was never married and didn't have children. These so called children of his or their sons should take a DNA test if thats the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I am a little confused lol. What does Tesla and this thread have to do with Medici? and with Draganici(I assume your line). How does any of that have to do with the threads discussion of his bloodline?

    Also as far as I can tell, Tesla was never married and didn't have children. These so called children of his or their sons should take a DNA test if thats the case.
    Draganići are Croatian nobles who are Tesla ancestors but the diary of Tesla in which it is written is in Belgrade in the Nikola Tesla Museum and it is not publicly exposed. That fact about the origin of Tesla allegedly is not written in that diary (according to the Serbs).

    It is interesting that Serbs quote parts of that diary (how ancestor of Tesla got their nickname, surname Draganići) and when you ask them from they got this information they can not say from where. Therefore obvious that diary exist but mentione Croatian ancestors and because of that it is forbidden document for the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Draganići are Croatian nobles who are Tesla ancestors but the diary of Tesla in which it is written is in Belgrade in the Nikola Tesla Museum and it is not publicly exposed. That fact about the origin of Tesla allegedly is not written in that diary (according to the Serbs).

    It is interesting that Serbs quote parts of that diary (how ancestor of Tesla got their nickname, surname Draganići) and when you ask them from they got this information they can not say from where. Therefore obvious that diary exist but mentione Croatian ancestors and because of that it is forbidden document for the public.
    Interesting. I wonder if this John individual is Draganici than.He should test. Maybe that would lend credence to that story if that is indeed the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Interesting. I wonder if this John individual is Draganici than.He should test. Maybe that would lend credence to that story if that is indeed the case.
    We have John Joseph O'Neill who wrote biography of Tesla and he mentions Draganić and Mandić (mother's side) family and how ancestor of Tesla got nickname but it is also written in the supposed diary as well and surname Kalinić on the mother's side(but not Mandić surname) However John Joseph O'Neill claims and this
    The Tesla and Mandich families originally came from the western part of
    Serbia near Montenegro.
    This claim is typical when it comes to Serbian migration to Croatia, that area is actually eastern Herzegovina. Otherwise I do not know more than one history record which exists to prove that someone (group of people) coming from this area to Croatia. So that statement of John Joseph O'Neill is most likely added to Tesla biography from a book that talks about the history of Serbs, Croats etc.

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    there's a lot of unwritten history and deliberately false history written....comes with the territory. He did have 2 children, 2 boys, with a woman named Maria, whom took the kids to Zurich then through Trieste, then immigrating them as new arrivals through ellis island as Slav, with 2 different last names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    Draganići are Croatian nobles who are Tesla ancestors but the diary of Tesla in which it is written is in Belgrade in the Nikola Tesla Museum and it is not publicly exposed. That fact about the origin of Tesla allegedly is not written in that diary (according to the Serbs).

    It is interesting that Serbs quote parts of that diary (how ancestor of Tesla got their nickname, surname Draganići) and when you ask them from they got this information they can not say from where. Therefore obvious that diary exist but mentione Croatian ancestors and because of that it is forbidden document for the public.
    this is where the truth goes dark. Dig deep enough and you'll find blood back to northern italy, well, greater rome north. look at his face.........what is it you see? Lots of forbidden documents, from back then right up through when he went to his own funeral in disguise. His first great grandson was born on his death date, oddly. He did not hole up in the New Yorker with a pigeon. I might have fed some pigeons on a Newburgh sidewalk outside the shop by the river near the tracks. Not sure about that though, the pigeons part. Vril's away.....

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    most of these Tesla biographers have an agenda to reinforce a certain story line. All the old folks who knew the truth are just about dead. You'd have to have known some old oss nazi's, or a few other groups, to get anywhere near the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    I am a little confused lol. What does Tesla and this thread have to do with Medici? and with Draganici(I assume your line). How does any of that have to do with the threads discussion of his bloodline?

    Also as far as I can tell, Tesla was never married and didn't have children. These so called children of his or their sons should take a DNA test if thats the case.
    Medici = money=power= agendas= engineer's of the court.

    And with whom would they compare their DNA? Apparently, his grandson died in January of 2017 at 99 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.draganici View Post
    Medici = money=power= agendas= engineer's of the court.

    And with whom would they compare their DNA? Apparently, his grandson died in January of 2017 at 99 years old.
    Tested is man with surname Tesla from Raduč born village of Nikola Tesla's father https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč

    That man has common paternal ancestor with Nikola Tesla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.draganici View Post
    Medici = money=power= agendas= engineer's of the court.

    And with whom would they compare their DNA? Apparently, his grandson died in January of 2017 at 99 years old.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    Tested is man with surname Tesla from Raduč born village of Nikola Tesla's father https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raduč

    That man has common paternal ancestor with Nikola Tesla.
    As Bachus said, Teslas line has been confirmed. So if he indeed had sons and You(at John) descend from his line, why don’t you take a Ydna test and prove it? The burden of proof after all rests upon you. If you test and match Tesla’s male relative than your words may be true. Until then it seems like guesswork.

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    Tesla's ancestors lived is village Vukovsko near Kupres in the middle age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donje_Vukovsko
    They moved to northern Dalmatia around Knin in 16th century, and about 1690 they moved to village Raduč in Lika.
    In year 1700 on census of Lika by bishop Brajković families Teslić lived in villages Raduč and Ostrovica as Orthodox.
    In year 1712 on Austrian census of Lika in Raduč are mentioned Stanko Teslić with father Božo, Milašin Teslić and Stojak Teslić. In neighboring village Ostrovica are mentioned Marko Teslić, Dmitar Teslić and Janko Teslić.
    From sources in 1700 and 1712 it's visible that Tesla's ancestors had surname Teslić, later was creared form Tesla (probably during the 18th century).
    Acording to sources Tesla family is connected with few Serbian families from Western Bosnia, Lika and Northern Dalmatia. All these families carry Slava Đurđevdan (St. George's day) like Tesla family and some of them are tested as R1a-M458 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava

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    Tesla's ancestors lived is village Vukovsko near Kupres in the middle age
    First time I hear it, where it says?

    For now we know that Tesla ancestors supposedly coming from eastern Herzegovina.

    They moved to northern Dalmatia around Knin in 16th century, and about 1690 they moved to village Raduč in Lika.
    Who says it?

    In year 1700 on census of Lika by bishop Brajković families Teslić lived in villages Raduč and Ostrovica as Orthodox.
    What does this have to do with Serbs?

    In year 1712 on Austrian census of Lika in Raduč are mentioned Stanko Teslić with father Božo, Milašin Teslić and Stojak Teslić. In neighboring village Ostrovica are mentioned Marko Teslić, Dmitar Teslić and Janko Teslić.
    What does this prove?

    Acording to sources Tesla family is connected with few Serbian families from Western Bosnia, Lika and Northern Dalmatia. All these families carry Slava Đurđevdan (St. George's day) like Tesla family and some of them are tested as R1a-M458
    Where it is written?


    We have John Joseph O'Neill who wrote biography of Tesla and for now we only know his claim and something that is written in a Tesla diary that allegedly does not exist, we have no family Teslić, Kupres etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrvat22 View Post
    First time I hear it, where it says?

    For now we know that Tesla ancestors supposedly coming from eastern Herzegovina.



    Who says it?



    What does this have to do with Serbs?



    What does this prove?



    Where it is written?


    We have John Joseph O'Neill who wrote biography of Tesla and for now we only know his claim and something that is written in a Tesla diary that allegedly does not exist, we have no family Teslić, Kupres etc.
    I would give you sources, but you don't understand Chyrillic.

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    Milutin? Remember, a lot of these biographers are either reinforcing a particular story line, or offering another plausible course, like O'neill, Seifer, et. al.... Cypher!

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    Bachus, you've been lead down an incorrect path! The name was created in the 1800's for his presence in the usa, and in fact was related to buck teeth being in the bloodline. We get so stuck on the paternal bloodline in all this, but whatever, another can of worms.

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    Michelangelo did not go to Herzegovina to find a model for David's nose.Tesla's nose is a damn near knock off of the David sculpture, and his hands were huge too just like the David, out of proportion to his leg length, not torso. Tesla had a long torso and relatively short legs for a somewhat tall man. And michelangelo's rival?, aaah, the irony runs deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bachus View Post
    I would give you sources, but you don't understand Chyrillic.
    use google translate

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    or we can, just post the info and we can copy and paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.draganici View Post
    Michelangelo did not go to Herzegovina to find a model for David's nose.Tesla's nose is a damn near knock off of the David sculpture, and his hands were huge too just like the David, out of proportion to his leg length, not torso. Tesla had a long torso and relatively short legs for a somewhat tall man. And michelangelo's rival?, aaah, the irony runs deep.
    Nikola Tesla have nothing to do with Italians. His was pure Serb, son of Orthodox priest. His haplogroup is proto-Slavic.
    Surname Teslić is recorded in Nikola Tesla's father born village in 1712 on Austrian census.
    Tesla who is tested as R1a-M458 has the closest match with Serbian family Plaćaš from Gospić in Lika and with Serbian family Kuzmić from Kotor Varoš in Bosnia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospić

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotor_Varoš

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