Nikola Tesla was not I2a but R1a

Northern Adriatic islands has R1a-Z280 (Carpathian-Dalmatian branch), not R1a-M458.

That is not true.

Here are the results from a study. The names represent islands:

R1a1a1b1a1-M458
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Cres = 27/99
Dugi otok = 2/44
Mljet = 2/39
Pag = 1/33
Pašman = 1/42
Ugljan = 3/68

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajhb.22876/abstract

About Serbian R1a-M458 you can see here [video]https://dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=R1a[/video]

Data from Poreklo is not representative. There is a recent study on Serbia. Isn't there?

Kirgyzs have 65% R1a which is more than Russians and Poles, according to your logic Tesla is of Kyrgyzian origin!?

That was a very stupid comment. Tesla's ancestors lived for centuries in Croatia, not in Kyrgyzia. Therefore Croatian data is the most relevant. We see that, the very likely, pre-Otoman invasion population had quite enough of R1a-458 haplogroup.
 
Northern Adriatic islands has R1a-Z280 (Carpathian-Dalmatian branch), not R1a-M458.

About Serbian R1a-M458 you can see here [video]https://dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=R1a[/video]

Kirgyzs have 65% R1a which is more than Russians and Poles, according to your logic Tesla is of Kyrgyzian origin!?


Kyrgyz dont belong to M458 though, do they? Serbian R1a is overwhelmingly Z280. Croatia is the only Western Balkan country with significant amounts of M458. Outside of Bulgaria Macedonia and Northern Greece that is. Romania has a good amount too.
 
Kyrgyz dont belong to M458 though, do they? Serbian R1a is overwhelmingly Z280. Croatia is the only Western Balkan country with significant amounts of M458. Outside of Bulgaria Macedonia and Northern Greece that is. Romania has a good amount too.

Serbian R1a-M458 in Krajina came from the central Balkans (Raška, Kosovo and central Serbia) and not from serbized Croatians, because Serbs were never assimilated any Croatians, unlike Croatians who assimilated a lot of Serbs.

Serbs from Lika (in Croatia) have around 20% R1a and 70% is M458, unlike them Croatians from Lika and neighboring regions have mostly Z280 (Carpathian-Dalmatian branchs).

If Tesla was Carpathian-Dalmatian branch of R1a-Z280 it would be a chance that he is of Croatian origin by male line, but Tesla was R1a-M458 which very rare for Croatians from Lika and near Lika. Croatians who have M458 are from some other region which are fair awyy from Lika.

Tesla is the closest to Serbian family Plećaš from Lika, and he is also close to Serbian family Zdravković from central Serbia and Kuzmić from Bosnia near Banja Luka.

Tesla is not close to Croatian holders of R1a-M458.
 
Serbian R1a-M458 in Krajina came from the central Balkans (Raška, Kosovo and central Serbia) and not from serbized Croatians, because Serbs were never assimilated any Croatians, unlike Croatians who assimilated a lot of Serbs.

Serbs from Lika (in Croatia) have around 20% R1a and 70% is M458, unlike them Croatians from Lika and neighboring regions have mostly Z280 (Carpathian-Dalmatian branchs).

If Tesla was Carpathian-Dalmatian branch of R1a-Z280 it would be a chance that he is of Croatian origin by male line, but Tesla was R1a-M458 which very rare for Croatians from Lika and near Lika. Croatians who have M458 are from some other region which are fair awyy from Lika.

Tesla is the closest to Serbian family Plećaš from Lika, and he is also close to Serbian family Zdravković from central Serbia and Kuzmić from Bosnia near Banja Luka.

Tesla is not close to Croatian holders of R1a-M458.

Listen to yourself. Serbia as a whole is predominantly Z280. Croatian R1a is predominantly M458. And thats not because of Serbs.

Chart_R1a.png
 
Serbian R1a-M458 in Krajina came from the central Balkans (Raška, Kosovo and central Serbia) and not from serbized Croatians, because Serbs were never assimilated any Croatians, unlike Croatians who assimilated a lot of Serbs.

What makes you so sure that Draganić’s R1a-M458 comes from “central Balkans”, and not from the neighbouring areas in Croatia? Especially after I presented you information about the 14th century nobility of Šibenik whose surname was Draganić. Šibenik is not far from Knin and Lika.

The thesis that “Serbs were never assimilated any Croatians” simple does not hold the truth. There were no Serbian churches in Croatia and Bosnia before Osman conquest. Just compare the maps “before” and “after” and calculate the balance.

Serbs from Lika (in Croatia) have around 20% R1a and 70% is M458, unlike them Croatians from Lika and neighboring regions have mostly Z280 (Carpathian-Dalmatian branchs).

What paper?

If Tesla was Carpathian-Dalmatian branch of R1a-Z280 it would be a chance that he is of Croatian origin by male line, but Tesla was R1a-M458 which very rare for Croatians from Lika and near Lika. Croatians who have M458 are from some other region which are fair awyy from Lika.

Draganićs came from Dalmatia to Lika. Haplos of Lika's Croatians are not important for comparison.

Tesla is the closest to Serbian family Plećaš from Lika, and he is also close to Serbian family Zdravković from central Serbia and Kuzmić from Bosnia near Banja Luka.

Tesla is not close to Croatian holders of R1a-M458.

Not convincing.
 
Listen to yourself. Serbia as a whole is predominantly Z280. Croatian R1a is predominantly M458. And thats not because of Serbs.

Chart_R1a.png

That data is unfortunately outdated. Most of these 458 turned to be 558 due to some mistake. The most recent paper corrected that. However, there are still fair enough of 458 in Croatia.
 
Listen to yourself. Serbia as a whole is predominantly Z280. Croatian R1a is predominantly M458. And thats not because of Serbs.

Chart_R1a.png
Tesla is close only to few Serbian holders of R1a-M458, and he is far away from Croatian holders of R1a-M458.
 
@Garrick, thank you for this precious link!

Yes, but what I see discussion went down.

One Croat and one Albanian cannot accept the fact, Nikola Tesla is Serb.

It is pure Balkan jealousy, it typically gives a picture of Balkans and Balkanites, unfortunately.

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Monument of Nikola Tesla in New York, USA
 

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Yes, but what I see discussion went down.

One Croat and one Albanian cannot accept the fact, Nikola Tesla is Serb.

It is pure Balkan jealousy, it typically gives a picture of Balkans and Balkanites, unfortunately.

Monument of Nikola Tesla in New York, USA

Well, it seems that our friends, Serbians can't accept that Tesla has nothing to do with Serbia, even more.

Just for fun, here is a page of Tesla's passport (Croatian: PUTOVNICA):

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Putovnica_Nikola_Tesla_01082.JPG

The coat of arms in the middle of the page is this one (coloured):

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Coa_Croatia_Country_History_(with_crown)_(1868-1918).svg

Edit: There was an argument here, earlier, that Tesla can't be from Croatia because "Croatia didn't exist then". Now we see that not only that Croatia existed, but also that Tesla had its passport.
 
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Not certain. This information (with regards to northwest macedonia origin) was in a forum

Makes sense. M458-L1029 is practically non-existent/negligible among Serbs. M458 in the Balkans seems most common in Bulgarians, Macedonians, Croatians and Northern Greeks.

This is wrong.

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M458-L1029 is represented among Serbs in Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia.

In Poreklo.rs you can see 46 tested Serbs and 1 Bosniac are M458-L1029.
https://dnk.poreklo.rs/naslovna/
 
I hope this helps....
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Tesla-1
Its a comprehensive family tree of Tesla's which even lists the places of birth of his ancestors in this tree. I haven't seen it all yet, but it seems informative.
 
Well, it seems that our friends, Serbians can't accept that Tesla has nothing to do with Serbia, even more. Just for fun, here is a page of Tesla's passport (Croatian: PUTOVNICA): https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Putovnica_Nikola_Tesla_01082.JPG The coat of arms in the middle of the page is this one (coloured): https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Coa_Croatia_Country_History_(with_crown)_(1868-1918).svg

Someone can think that earth is plane, and all what he wants, it didn't change facts.

Point of my writing is that is ugly (but unfortunately typical Balkan) that bickering is about such greater man, and why, only because Nikola Tesla was Serb, and yes, Nikola Tesla was American too.

Therefore in his monument in New York is written: Nikola Tesla, Serbian and American.

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After the death of Nikola Tesla, an American court, in January 1943, awarded custody of his property to Sava Kosanovic, the son of Tesla’s youngest sister Marica, Sava Kosanovic was a Serbian politician, publicist and diplomat who, at that time, was living in New York as a member of the Royal Yugoslav Government-in-exile.

For everyone who visits Belgrade recommendation is to visit Nikola Tesla museum.
http://www.tesla-museum.org/web/page.php?p=4&s=89&l=en
 
Someone can think that earth is plane, and all what he wants, it didn't change facts.

Point of my writing is that is ugly (but unfortunately typical Balkan) that bickering is about such greater man, and why, only because Nikola Tesla was Serb, and yes, Nikola Tesla was American too.

Therefore in his monument in New York write: Nikola Tesla, Serbian and American.

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After the death of Nikola Tesla, an American court, in January 1943, awarded custody of his property to Sava Kosanovic, the son of Tesla’s youngest sister Marica, Sava Kosanovic was a Serbian politician, publicist and diplomat who, at that time, was living in New York as a member of the Royal Yugoslav Government-in-exile.

For everyone who visits Belgrade recommendation is to visit Nikola Tesla museum.
http://www.tesla-museum.org/web/page.php?p=4&s=89&l=en

That's a surface. We wish to know secrets...

For instance, why Tesla's private archive ended up in Belgrade, a capital of Serbia?

Tesla's wished his personal things to be kept in his homeland.
 
That's a surface. We wish to know secrets...

For instance, why Tesla's private archive ended up in Belgrade, a capital of Serbia?

Tesla's wished his personal things to be kept in his homeland.

Who don't like facts he can try with secrets (probably one of the most famous researcher of secrets was Erich von Daniken, his approach is interesting, but unscientific).
 
Who don't like facts he can try with secrets (probably one of the most famous researcher of secrets was Erich von Daniken, his approach is interesting, but unscientific).

We heard about Tesla's secret diary, kept in the State Archive in Belgrade, which is not published for some reason...
 
Listen to yourself. Serbia as a whole is predominantly Z280. Croatian R1a is predominantly M458. And thats not because of Serbs.

Chart_R1a.png

first and foremost i like the fact that n.tesla is an M458+L1029er (obvious reasons) first and only prominent of the M458+ lineage to begin with; but i have seen different data for the balkan, for sure Z280+ is the most dominant yet M458+ is very seldom throughout but most common (sample count) in bulgaria followed by serbia; though in underhill et al only croatian samples are listed by M458+ and no serbian samples but these were as i understand it selected R1a samples to begin with;
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overall M458+ is most present n70/123 in modern lusatian sorbs with earliest M458+ so far found in medieval wilzen[lechic-wends] gravefield on usedom, it seems as if the slavic expansion towards the elbe/saale and into old-thuringia rednitz/upper-main was mostly carried by M458+ slavs (polabian-lechs/sorbs) whereas the slavs expanding into the balkan were mostly carried Z280+ (plus I2aDin); the ancestral clade Z283+ is so far earliest Kun2 2500-2300bc Corded-Ware(estonia); rebala et al (pre-war data)
Sorben (n=123) 65.0% R1a1a M17+/M198+ davon 8.1% R1a1a M17*+ und 56.9% R1a1a1b1a1 M458+
Bayern (n=218) 12.3% R1a1a M17+/M198+ davon 4.5% R1a1a M17*+ und 7.7% R1a1a1b1a1 M458+
 
Nobody will think more highly of Croatia or Serbia if you somehow win the pointless Tesla nationality/Y-DNA debate. Most of the world does not care. As someone already commented, Tesla is more of an American creation.


Forget about winning the pitiful national credit for Nikola! If Croatia and Serbia are such a fertile grounds for great minds, (and there are some like Ivan Mestrovic, Mihajlo Pupin ... oh, yes Bill Belichick the czar of American football) why not focus on creating more opportunities for your children? In Balkans, there is never the focus on the fostering creative economy, eliminating widespread corruption, electing leaders for other than nationalistic platforms and improving the lives of all your people. Instead of promoting divisive personalities (Milosevic, Tudjman ... ahh, so many to name) who use nationality for their personal gain, focus on making the real change. Cherish your creative talent and make many opportunities for them in your little nations. Celebrate different nationalities and the diversity they bring to your talent pool. Promote the real values.


Much less DNA difference between Croats and Serbs than you see in Germany, Italy, Australia, Canada or America. Yet, they stay together and some got bigger and stronger. Your Tesla potentials are going there for more opportunity and a better life. Croatia and Serbia, you are not in a nationalistic Balkan war for the credits of the past. There is more to be ashamed of than to be proud of. You are in the economic war and you are decisively losing it. Those other nations ... they are very happy with receiving your brightest talent and they do not care about Y-DNA or from which Draganić are their parents.
 
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​Serbs who are R1a-M458

Вујатовић (Vujatović) - Bosanska Krajina/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Кецман-Шпирић (Kecman-Špirić) - Drinić/Bosnia
Кувељић (Kuveljić) - Prijepolje/Serbia
Чајић (Čajić)- Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Лончар (Lončar) - Pjevlja/Montenegro
Недин (Nedin) - Banat/Serbia
Кесић (Kesić) - Gračac/Croatia
Аћин (Aćin) - Zrenjanin/Serbia
Драгаш (Dragaš) - Drvar/Bosnia and herzegovica
Николић (Nikolić) - Valjevo/Serbia
Жакула (Žakula) - Korenica/Croatia
Обрадовић (Obradović) - Čajniče/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Чоловић (Čolović) - Nikšić/Montenegro
Нанић (Nanić) - Zaječar/Serbia
Миловановић (Milovanović)
Стевић (Stević) - Zvornik/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Зековић (Zeković) - Šavnik/Montenegro
Ивић (Ivić) - Golubac/Serbia
Калањ (Kalanj) - Udbina/Croatia
Кликовац (Klikovac) - Podgorica/Montenegro
Благојевић (Blagojević) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Новаковић (Novaković) - Ugljevik/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Павковић (Pavković) - Gračac/Croatia
Чајетинац (Čajetinac) - Trstenik/Serbia
Мандић (Mandić) - Čačak/Serbia
Бајић (Bajić) - Bugojno/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Перјаничић (Perjaničić) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Благојевић (Blagojević) - Piva/Montenegro
Радовић (Radović) - Foča/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Ракић (Rakić) - Kosovo Polje/Serbia
Курандић (Kurandić) - Raška/Serbia
Кузмић (Kuzmić) - Kotor Varoš/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Тесла (Tesla) - Raduč/Croatia
Плећаш (Plećaš) - Gospić/Croatia
Здравковић (Zdravković) - Brus/Serbia
Путица (Putica) - Trebinje/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Опанчина (Opančina - Prijepolje/Serbia
Ђуровић (Đurović) - Prijepolje/Serbia
Матић (Matić) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Трипић (Tripić) - Maglaj/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Трипић (Tripić) - Maglaj/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Перишић (Perišić) - Sarajevo/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Дуњић (Dunjić) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Дуњић (Dunjić) -Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Јојић (Jojić) - Bajina Bašta/Serbia
Бурмазовић (Burmazović) - Loznica/Serbia
Милинковић (Milinković) - Ub/Serbia
Аксић (Aksić) - Vitina/Serbia
Јовановић (Jovanović) - Kraljevo/Serbia
Недељковић (Nedeljković) -Kruševac/Serbia
Танкосић (Tankosić) - Drvar/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Бурсаћ (Bursać) - Bihać/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Бурсаћ (Bursać) - Knin/Croatia
Баук (Bauk) - Drvar/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Зељковић (Zeljković) - Bihać/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Радаковић (Radaković) - Karlovac/Croatia
Кнез (Arnaut) - Vrlika/Croatia
Арнаут (Arnaut) - Vrlika/Croatia
Арнаут (Arnaut) - Vrlika/Croatia
Арнаут (Arnaut) - Vrlika/Croatia
Рашета (Rašeta) - Donji Lapac/Croatia
Јањетовић (Janjetović) - Banja Luka/ Bosnia and Herzegovina
Маричић (Maričić) - Brinje/Croatia
Злојутро (Zlojutro) - Kozarska Dubica/Bosnia and Herzegovina
Тодоровић (Todorović) - Mali Zvornik/Serbia
Рашковић (Rašković) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia
Шишаковић (Šišaković) - Sremska Mitrovica/Serbia
Драгичевић (Dragičević) - Croatia
Сенте (Sente) - Bačka/Serbia
Арсић (Arsić) - Svilajnac/Serbia
Јеленковић (Jelenković) - Aleksandrovac/Serbia

In "Serbian DNA project" there is a 277 ethnic Serbs which are R1a, and 71 is M458, which means that among Serbs M458 is 25,6% of total R1a.

[video]https://dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=R1a[/video]
 
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