Eurogenes J-Test

[Joey D]

I was just playing around with the Eurogenes J-Test K14, which is meant to focus on Ashkenazi ancestry, and came up with the following results:

EAST_MED	30.09
WEST_MED	17.09
WEST_ASIAN	12.36
ATLANTIC	9.6
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	9.07
MIDDLE_EASTERN	7.6
ASHKENAZI	6.15
SOUTH_BALTIC	4.53
EAST_EURO	2.53
Using 1 population approximation:
1 GR @ 3.067442
2 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.387729
3 Tuscan @ 15.125918
4 TR @ 20.270048
5 North_Italian @ 20.810638
6 RO @ 23.704042
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 GR + GR + GR + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.241637
2 GR + GR + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.288302
3 GR + GR + GR + GR @ 3.067442
4 GR + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.147110
5 Druze + GR + North_Italian + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.328096
6 GR + GR + GR + Tuscan @ 3.337391

Nothing unusual in any of that, but I was just wondering what TR stands for. Anyone know?

[Joey D]

Does it stand for Trabzon in Anatolia?

[zanipolo]

Jtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Jtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 18.47
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 17.71
3 WEST_MED 17.65
4 EAST_MED 14.32
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.19
6 EAST_EURO 8.31
7 ASHKENAZI 6.34
8 WEST_ASIAN 6.02


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 8.162397
2 Serbian @ 11.635802
3 RO @ 11.685098
4 FR @ 11.846078
5 AT @ 12.188935
6 PT @ 12.239955
7 Tuscan @ 12.644043
8 ES @ 14.035453
9 HU @ 15.010031
10 West_&_Central_German @ 17.017729
11 NL @ 18.326416
12 Cornish @ 19.453119
13 English @ 19.945911
14 Orcadian @ 22.023157
15 DK @ 22.424776
16 IE @ 22.442537
17 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 23.262260
18 Scottish @ 23.651217
19 NO @ 24.015430
20 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 24.166956

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% AT +50% Tuscan @ 3.170818


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AT +25% Tuscan +25% Tuscan @ 3.170818


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 NL + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 2.863931
2 DK + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 3.030746
3 North_Italian + RO + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 3.050653
4 English + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 3.052539
5 AT + AT + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.170818
6 Cornish + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 3.173956
7 AT + FR + RO + Tuscan @ 3.199459
8 AT + ES + RO + Tuscan @ 3.292195
9 AT + AT + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.321463
10 NO + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 3.331575
11 NL + North_Italian + Serbian + Tuscan @ 3.392926
12 AT + PT + RO + Tuscan @ 3.402045
13 DK + RO + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.434940
14 NO + RO + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.443808
15 North_Italian + Orcadian + RO + Tuscan @ 3.456936
16 North_Italian + Serbian + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 3.457947
17 NL + RO + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 3.488717
18 NL + North_Italian + North_Italian + RO @ 3.492080
19 FR + RO + Serbian + Tuscan @ 3.495113
20 AT + ES + Serbian + Tuscan @ 3.499613

Done.

[Joey D]

Does it stand for Trabzon in Anatolia?

Does anyone know what TR stands for?

[Angela]

Does anyone know what TR stands for?

Perhaps Turkey? However, Turkey is so diverse it's rather meaningless.

[Dibran]

Me:

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	22.98
2	WEST_MED	22.21
3	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	14.93
4	ATLANTIC	10.65
5	SOUTH_BALTIC	8.24
6	WEST_ASIAN	7.88
7	ASHKENAZI	6.57
8	EAST_EURO	5.03
9	MIDDLE_EASTERN	1.51

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 8.166746
2 North_Italian @ 12.043141
3 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 14.057807

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% North_Italian @ 7.843652


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AT +25% Druze +25% Sardinian @ 6.337323


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Druze + RO + Sardinian + West_&_Central_German @ 5.734163
2 Druze + NL + RO + Sardinian @ 5.844057
3 Druze + English + RO + Sardinian @ 5.903175

My Father:


Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	23.17
2	WEST_MED	19.99
3	ATLANTIC	13.11
4	SOUTH_BALTIC	11.67
5	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	11.48
6	WEST_ASIAN	6.79
7	ASHKENAZI	6.02
8	MIDDLE_EASTERN	3.97
9	EAST_EURO	3.73

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 8.976805
2 North_Italian @ 10.489556
3 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 12.837668


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% North_Italian @ 5.169928


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +25% PT +25% RO @ 4.931631


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Druze + LIT + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 4.563152
2 AT + Druze + RO + Sardinian @ 4.622757
3 GR + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 4.655410

My Mother:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	19.62
2	WEST_MED	18.97
3	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	12.94
4	ATLANTIC	11.38
5	SOUTH_BALTIC	10.49
6	WEST_ASIAN	10.31
7	ASHKENAZI	6.98
8	EAST_EURO	6.32
9	MIDDLE_EASTERN	3.00

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 9.946098
2 North_Italian @ 11.117845
3 RO @ 12.297221

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% RO +50% Tuscan @ 5.611048


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% RO +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian +25% Tuscan @ 4.490748


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Assyrian + AT + Sardinian + Serbian @ 4.368093
2 RO + RO + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 4.490748
3 Assyrian + EE + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 4.571834

[Angela]

Me:

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	22.98
2	WEST_MED	22.21
3	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	14.93
4	ATLANTIC	10.65
5	SOUTH_BALTIC	8.24
6	WEST_ASIAN	7.88
7	ASHKENAZI	6.57
8	EAST_EURO	5.03
9	MIDDLE_EASTERN	1.51

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 8.166746
2 North_Italian @ 12.043141
3 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 14.057807

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% North_Italian @ 7.843652


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% AT +25% Druze +25% Sardinian @ 6.337323


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Druze + RO + Sardinian + West_&_Central_German @ 5.734163
2 Druze + NL + RO + Sardinian @ 5.844057
3 Druze + English + RO + Sardinian @ 5.903175

My Father:


Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	23.17
2	WEST_MED	19.99
3	ATLANTIC	13.11
4	SOUTH_BALTIC	11.67
5	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	11.48
6	WEST_ASIAN	6.79
7	ASHKENAZI	6.02
8	MIDDLE_EASTERN	3.97
9	EAST_EURO	3.73

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 8.976805
2 North_Italian @ 10.489556
3 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 12.837668


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% North_Italian @ 5.169928


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +25% PT +25% RO @ 4.931631


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Druze + LIT + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 4.563152
2 AT + Druze + RO + Sardinian @ 4.622757
3 GR + North_Italian + RO + Tuscan @ 4.655410

My Mother:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	EAST_MED	19.62
2	WEST_MED	18.97
3	NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO	12.94
4	ATLANTIC	11.38
5	SOUTH_BALTIC	10.49
6	WEST_ASIAN	10.31
7	ASHKENAZI	6.98
8	EAST_EURO	6.32
9	MIDDLE_EASTERN	3.00

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 9.946098
2 North_Italian @ 11.117845
3 RO @ 12.297221

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% RO +50% Tuscan @ 5.611048


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% RO +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian +25% Tuscan @ 4.490748


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
1 Assyrian + AT + Sardinian + Serbian @ 4.368093
2 RO + RO + South_Italian_&_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 4.490748
3 Assyrian + EE + Sardinian + Tuscan @ 4.571834

Not good fits, but that's to expected even in a good calculator because you're not, in fact, Italian.:)

Do you know if there are Albanian reference samples? If there aren't, then it's not a terrible job, although you can ignore that Ashkenazi percentage.

[Wheal]

what does IQ stand for?
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% NL + 7.6% Armenian @ 2.22
2 93% NL + 7% GE @ 2.22
3 91.4% NL + 8.6% TR @ 2.4
4 89.3% NL + 10.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.57
5 93% NL + 7% Assyrian @ 2.6
6 90% NL + 10% GR @ 2.64
7 76.6% English + 23.4% RO @ 2.66
8 92.8% NL + 7.2% Kurdish @ 2.73
9 93.4% NL + 6.6% Mandean @ 2.74
10 91.2% NL + 8.8% AJ @ 2.82
11 92.4% NL + 7.6% Lezgin @ 2.83
12 92.9% NL + 7.1% IR @ 2.87
13 86.4% NL + 13.6% Tuscan @ 2.9
14 83.8% NL + 16.2% North_Italian @ 2.91
15 95.1% West_&_Central_German + 4.9% GE @ 2.91
16 87.3% West_&_Central_German + 12.7% North_Italian @ 2.98
17 95% West_&_Central_German + 5% Armenian @ 3.01
18 73.8% English + 26.2% Serbian @ 3.02
19 93.5% West_&_Central_German + 6.5% AJ @ 3.02
20 93.6% NL + 6.4% IQ @ 3.03

[IronSide]

# Population Percent

1 MIDDLE_EASTERN 47.88
2 EAST_MED 35.89
3 ASHKENAZI 4.43
4 EAST_AFRICAN 3.25
5 WEST_MED 3.12
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 2.48
7 WEST_ASIAN 2.32
8 SIBERIAN 0.31
9 EAST_ASIAN 0.27
10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.03

# Population (source) Distance

1 Bedouin 10.15
2 Samaritan 23.56
3 IQ 26.05
4 Algerian 31.94
5 Druze 34.44
6 Mandean 34.56
7 Assyrian 38.31
8 Moroccan 38.57
9 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 39.78
10 Mozabite_Berber 40.13
11 GR 41.45
12 TR 43.06
13 Kurdish 43.49
14 IR 43.82
15 Armenian 43.89
16 AJ 44.83
17 Tuscan 48.66
18 North_Italian 51.53
19 RO 52.06
20 Serbian 52.39

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78% Bedouin + 22% Druze @ 3.1
2 71.2% Bedouin + 28.8% Samaritan @ 3.85
3 73.9% Bedouin + 26.1% IQ @ 4.57
4 79.3% Bedouin + 20.7% Mandean @ 4.77
5 81.1% Bedouin + 18.9% Assyrian @ 4.92
6 83.3% Bedouin + 16.7% Kurdish @ 5.32
7 82.7% Bedouin + 17.3% GR @ 5.34
8 83.5% Bedouin + 16.5% IR @ 5.37
9 83.4% Bedouin + 16.6% TR @ 5.52
10 83.7% Bedouin + 16.3% Armenian @ 5.55
11 82.5% Bedouin + 17.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 5.8
12 85% Bedouin + 15% AJ @ 6.43
13 88.3% Bedouin + 11.7% Brahui @ 6.61
14 88.5% Bedouin + 11.5% Balochi @ 6.68
15 86.4% Bedouin + 13.6% Tuscan @ 6.73
16 88.7% Bedouin + 11.3% GE @ 7.04
17 87.6% Bedouin + 12.4% RO @ 7.07
18 89.1% Bedouin + 10.9% Lezgin @ 7.23
19 87.8% Bedouin + 12.2% North_Italian @ 7.24
20 88.1% Bedouin + 11.9% Serbian @ 7.34

IQ stands for Iraq.

[Wheal]

Mother-In-Law

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 27.47
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 27.34
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 14.95
4 WEST_MED 9.56
5 EAST_EURO 7.47
6 EAST_MED 5.52
7 WEST_ASIAN 3.89
8 ASHKENAZI 2.26
9 WEST_AFRICAN 1.12


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_&_Central_German @ 5.684823
2 English @ 5.746151
3 NL @ 5.921762
4 Cornish @ 6.209104
5 Orcadian @ 6.896928
6 IE @ 7.881264
7 Scottish @ 8.054618
8 DK @ 9.211998
9 NO @ 10.689075
10 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.878337
11 FR @ 11.816156
12 AT @ 12.978308
13 North_Swedish @ 15.217869
14 HU @ 18.925611
15 PT @ 19.551989
16 ES @ 20.024239
17 Serbian @ 21.450283
18 North_Italian @ 23.134184
19 South_Finnish @ 23.798943
20 RO @ 24.570669

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% West_&_Central_German @ 5.089766


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +25% West_&_Central_German +25% West_&_Central_German @ 5.089766


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 English + Scottish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 4.922084
2 Scottish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 4.955482
3 FR + Scottish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 4.992646
4 Cornish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 4.998322
5 Cornish + English + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.043334
6 English + FR + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.047294
7 North_Italian + Scottish + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.053798
8 AT + English + English + Scottish @ 5.078970
9 NL + Scottish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.088163
10 Cornish + Cornish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.089766
11 Cornish + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.132027
12 English + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.132769
13 FR + NL + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.153668
14 English + English + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.165564
15 FR + Orcadian + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.166962
16 Cornish + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.171005
17 English + NL + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.172164
18 FR + Scottish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 5.180588
19 English + English + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 5.191317
20 Cornish + English + English + West_&_Central_German @ 5.193468

Done.

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[Angela]

what does IQ stand for?
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.4% NL + 7.6% Armenian @ 2.22
2 93% NL + 7% GE @ 2.22
3 91.4% NL + 8.6% TR @ 2.4
4 89.3% NL + 10.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 2.57
5 93% NL + 7% Assyrian @ 2.6
6 90% NL + 10% GR @ 2.64
7 76.6% English + 23.4% RO @ 2.66
8 92.8% NL + 7.2% Kurdish @ 2.73
9 93.4% NL + 6.6% Mandean @ 2.74
10 91.2% NL + 8.8% AJ @ 2.82
11 92.4% NL + 7.6% Lezgin @ 2.83
12 92.9% NL + 7.1% IR @ 2.87
13 86.4% NL + 13.6% Tuscan @ 2.9
14 83.8% NL + 16.2% North_Italian @ 2.91
15 95.1% West_&_Central_German + 4.9% GE @ 2.91
16 87.3% West_&_Central_German + 12.7% North_Italian @ 2.98
17 95% West_&_Central_German + 5% Armenian @ 3.01
18 73.8% English + 26.2% Serbian @ 3.02
19 93.5% West_&_Central_German + 6.5% AJ @ 3.02
20 93.6% NL + 6.4% IQ @ 3.03

Iraq, I think. These Oracle results are so misleading. All it's saying is that you're pulled a little bit more South East than the typical person from the Netherlands.

@Ironside,
Terrible fits for you.

[IronSide]

@Ironside,
Terrible fits for you.

Yeah, I know, but to be fair all calculators couldn't solve the enigma that is me hahaha.

It's just a Bedouin shifted north.

[Wheal]

Me

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.29
2 ATLANTIC 23.34
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 11.87
4 WEST_MED 11.65
5 EAST_EURO 11.36
6 EAST_MED 6.50
7 WEST_ASIAN 5.79
8 ASHKENAZI 2.56
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.12


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_&_Central_German @ 4.071207
2 NL @ 5.232255
3 English @ 7.060722
4 Cornish @ 7.602584
5 Orcadian @ 8.931157
6 DK @ 9.191463
7 IE @ 9.436557
8 AT @ 9.467273
9 FR @ 9.874465
10 NO @ 10.848557
11 Scottish @ 11.094979
12 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 11.348097
13 North_Swedish @ 14.524598
14 HU @ 15.508834
15 Serbian @ 16.540457
16 PT @ 17.076302
17 ES @ 18.054756
18 North_Italian @ 19.876646
19 RO @ 20.169868
20 South_Finnish @ 22.413877

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_&_Central_German +50% West_&_Central_German @ 4.071207


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IE +25% North_Swedish +25% Tuscan @ 2.101825


Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 IE + NL + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.699145
2 IE + North_Swedish + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 1.751061
3 English + IE + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 1.881683
4 IE + NO + NO + Tuscan @ 1.987428
5 IE + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.002522
6 IE + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 2.005332
7 IE + NO + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 2.008247
8 NL + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 2.011206
9 DK + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.066249
10 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 2.073035
11 IE + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 2.088562
12 IE + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.096090
13 IE + IE + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.101825
14 NL + North_Swedish + Scottish + Tuscan @ 2.134295
15 English + North_Swedish + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 2.135015
16 IE + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.139671
17 DK + IE + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.139960
18 IE + NL + NO + Tuscan @ 2.154949
19 North_Swedish + Scottish + Tuscan + West_&_Central_German @ 2.171458
20 DK + IE + NO + Tuscan @ 2.172866

[Wheal]

My Brother

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.66
2 ATLANTIC 23.70
3 EAST_EURO 12.62
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.58
5 WEST_MED 12.48
6 ASHKENAZI 5.16
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.82
8 EAST_MED 2.76
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.11

Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.
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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 NL @ 4.648141
2 West_&_Central_German @ 4.967678
3 Cornish @ 6.340489
4 English @ 6.566448
5 Orcadian @ 7.627528
6 DK @ 7.842877
7 IE @ 8.305030
8 NO @ 9.394057
9 AT @ 9.850455
10 Scottish @ 9.947353
11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.084280
12 FR @ 10.559003
13 North_Swedish @ 13.257466
14 HU @ 15.639114
15 PT @ 18.349482
16 Serbian @ 18.473440
17 ES @ 18.944820
18 South_Finnish @ 21.009403
19 RO @ 21.706125
20 North_Italian @ 21.952274

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% AT +50% IE @ 4.239411

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% NO +25% North_Italian +25% Orcadian @ 3.753988

Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 AT + FR + IE + NO @ 3.426720
2 AT + DK + FR + IE @ 3.456467
3 DK + FR + HU + IE @ 3.509847
4 AT + FR + NO + Orcadian @ 3.536028
5 AT + DK + FR + Orcadian @ 3.540916
6 AT + FR + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.634360
7 DK + FR + HU + Orcadian @ 3.660428
8 AT + DK + DK + FR @ 3.663828
9 AT + Cornish + FR + NO @ 3.667149
10 IE + NO + NO + North_Italian @ 3.702612
11 AT + Cornish + NL + NL @ 3.725550
12 AT + DK + FR + NO @ 3.731890
13 FR + HU + IE + NO @ 3.744875
14 DK + IE + North_Italian + North_Swedish @ 3.745740
15 AT + English + FR + NO @ 3.751749
16 NO + NO + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 3.753988
17 DK + FR + HU + Scottish @ 3.756085
18 AT + FR + NO + Scottish @ 3.758859
19 DK + IE + NO + North_Italian @ 3.763170
20 AT + FR + NL + NO @ 3.767783

[Wheal]

Family Group
Attachment 9437

[noman]

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	SOUTH_ASIAN	49.83
2	WEST_ASIAN	24.47
3	EAST_EURO	13.82
4	EAST_MED	6.63
5	ASHKENAZI	1.54
6	ATLANTIC	1.41
7	SOUTH_BALTIC	1.26
8	SIBERIAN	1.05

[Dibran]

Not good fits, but that's to expected even in a good calculator because you're not, in fact, Italian.:)

Do you know if there are Albanian reference samples? If there aren't, then it's not a terrible job, although you can ignore that Ashkenazi percentage.

To my knowledge, no Albanian sample for this calc. I suppose then, it took the closest fit.

[Dibran]

Not good fits, but that's to expected even in a good calculator because you're not, in fact, Italian.:)

Do you know if there are Albanian reference samples? If there aren't, then it's not a terrible job, although you can ignore that Ashkenazi percentage.

I find Gedrosia K13 most accurate. My moms results are the most off, perhaps shes more mixed. On AncestryDNA with the recent update she is 75% Greece/Albania/Turkey, 20% Northeast Italy/Croatia/Bosnia, and 3% Caucasus and 1% Ashkenazi

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	38.43
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	22.29
3	NATUFIAN	11.01
4	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	10.25
5	SHG_WHG	8.72
6	EHG	8.13
7	POLAR	1.17

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 2.072113
2 Greek @ 3.836894
3 Bulgarian @ 6.713923


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Albanian @ 2.072113


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Albanian +25% Greek @ 1.963928


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + Albanian + Albanian + Greek @ 1.963928

Father:

gedrosia K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	38.20
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	23.87
3	NATUFIAN	10.80
4	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	9.97
5	EHG	8.27
6	SHG_WHG	6.43
7	POLAR	2.47

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 3.149135
2 Greek @ 5.181849
3 Sicilian @ 8.233935

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Albanian @ 3.149135


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Albanian +25% Albanian @ 3.149135


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + Albanian + Albanian + Albanian @ 3.149135

My Mother:

gedrosia K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	36.67
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	20.81
3	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	11.82
4	NATUFIAN	11.06
5	SHG_WHG	9.04
6	EHG	8.34
7	SUB_SAHARAN	1.27

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 2.912852
2 Albanian @ 3.704404
3 Sicilian @ 7.101740

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Sicilian @ 2.524160


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Cypriot +25% French @ 2.473882


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 English + Jew_Moroccan + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 1.920337

[davef]

Lukasz found the samples that the jtest uses to represent Ashkenazis, they're super outliers in the k13 test for some odd reason but more normal in the others.

I think this may be why full blooded Ashkenazim don't score as high in this test as in 23andme.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...ighlight=Jtest

[IronSide]

I'm close to BA Levant (Kit M291439)

# Population Percent
1 MIDDLE_EASTERN 45.72
2 EAST_MED 37.48
3 WEST_MED 7.85
4 ASHKENAZI 4.45
5 WEST_ASIAN 4.06
6 EAST_ASIAN 0.45

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin 13.81
2 Samaritan 19.66
3 IQ 24.57
4 Algerian 31.39
5 Druze 31.65
6 Mandean 32.28
7 Assyrian 35.6
8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 36.76
9 Moroccan 37.55
10 GR 38.25
11 Mozabite_Berber 39.53
12 TR 40.65
13 Armenian 41.02
14 Kurdish 41.74
15 IR 42.4
16 AJ 43.04
17 Tuscan 45.9
18 North_Italian 49.01
19 RO 50.09
20 Serbian 50.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Bedouin + 40.8% Samaritan @ 3.65
2 71% Bedouin + 29% Druze @ 5.29
3 75.7% Bedouin + 24.3% GR @ 6.71
4 74.5% Bedouin + 25.5% Assyrian @ 6.94
5 72.8% Bedouin + 27.2% Mandean @ 7.28
6 77.6% Bedouin + 22.4% Armenian @ 7.38
7 75.5% Bedouin + 24.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 7.39
8 67.1% Bedouin + 32.9% IQ @ 7.79
9 77.9% Bedouin + 22.1% TR @ 7.89
10 78.9% Bedouin + 21.1% Kurdish @ 8.45
11 80.8% Bedouin + 19.2% Tuscan @ 8.7
12 79.6% Bedouin + 20.4% IR @ 8.82
13 80.5% Bedouin + 19.5% AJ @ 9.31
14 82.7% Bedouin + 17.3% North_Italian @ 9.48
15 86.2% Bedouin + 13.8% Sardinian @ 9.59
16 84.6% Bedouin + 15.4% GE @ 9.63
17 83.5% Bedouin + 16.5% RO @ 9.79
18 84.3% Bedouin + 15.7% Serbian @ 10.24
19 86.1% Bedouin + 13.9% Lezgin @ 10.42
20 85% Bedouin + 15% PT @ 10.6

[davef]

I'm close to BA Levant (Kit M291439)

# Population Percent
1 MIDDLE_EASTERN 45.72
2 EAST_MED 37.48
3 WEST_MED 7.85
4 ASHKENAZI 4.45
5 WEST_ASIAN 4.06
6 EAST_ASIAN 0.45

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bedouin 13.81
2 Samaritan 19.66
3 IQ 24.57
4 Algerian 31.39
5 Druze 31.65
6 Mandean 32.28
7 Assyrian 35.6
8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 36.76
9 Moroccan 37.55
10 GR 38.25
11 Mozabite_Berber 39.53
12 TR 40.65
13 Armenian 41.02
14 Kurdish 41.74
15 IR 42.4
16 AJ 43.04
17 Tuscan 45.9
18 North_Italian 49.01
19 RO 50.09
20 Serbian 50.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Bedouin + 40.8% Samaritan @ 3.65
2 71% Bedouin + 29% Druze @ 5.29
3 75.7% Bedouin + 24.3% GR @ 6.71
4 74.5% Bedouin + 25.5% Assyrian @ 6.94
5 72.8% Bedouin + 27.2% Mandean @ 7.28
6 77.6% Bedouin + 22.4% Armenian @ 7.38
7 75.5% Bedouin + 24.5% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 7.39
8 67.1% Bedouin + 32.9% IQ @ 7.79
9 77.9% Bedouin + 22.1% TR @ 7.89
10 78.9% Bedouin + 21.1% Kurdish @ 8.45
11 80.8% Bedouin + 19.2% Tuscan @ 8.7
12 79.6% Bedouin + 20.4% IR @ 8.82
13 80.5% Bedouin + 19.5% AJ @ 9.31
14 82.7% Bedouin + 17.3% North_Italian @ 9.48
15 86.2% Bedouin + 13.8% Sardinian @ 9.59
16 84.6% Bedouin + 15.4% GE @ 9.63
17 83.5% Bedouin + 16.5% RO @ 9.79
18 84.3% Bedouin + 15.7% Serbian @ 10.24
19 86.1% Bedouin + 13.9% Lezgin @ 10.42
20 85% Bedouin + 15% PT @ 10.6

No doubt to that! Remember the ancient Egyptian mummies that were discussed in a thread back in
June? They were closest to Bronze Age Levant as well! I'm positive that ancient Egyptians were closest to modern Arabians and Egyptians which is awesome considering their numerous contributions.

[Angela]

I find Gedrosia K13 most accurate. My moms results are the most off, perhaps shes more mixed. On AncestryDNA with the recent update she is 75% Greece/Albania/Turkey, 20% Northeast Italy/Croatia/Bosnia, and 3% Caucasus and 1% Ashkenazi

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	38.43
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	22.29
3	NATUFIAN	11.01
4	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	10.25
5	SHG_WHG	8.72
6	EHG	8.13
7	POLAR	1.17

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 2.072113
2 Greek @ 3.836894
3 Bulgarian @ 6.713923


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Albanian @ 2.072113


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Albanian +25% Greek @ 1.963928


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + Albanian + Albanian + Greek @ 1.963928

Father:

gedrosia K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	38.20
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	23.87
3	NATUFIAN	10.80
4	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	9.97
5	EHG	8.27
6	SHG_WHG	6.43
7	POLAR	2.47

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 3.149135
2 Greek @ 5.181849
3 Sicilian @ 8.233935

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +50% Albanian @ 3.149135


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Albanian +25% Albanian @ 3.149135


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Albanian + Albanian + Albanian + Albanian @ 3.149135

My Mother:

gedrosia K13 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	CHG_EEF	36.67
2	ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC	20.81
3	IRAN_NEOLITHIC	11.82
4	NATUFIAN	11.06
5	SHG_WHG	9.04
6	EHG	8.34
7	SUB_SAHARAN	1.27

Finished reading population data. 145 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 2.912852
2 Albanian @ 3.704404
3 Sicilian @ 7.101740

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Sicilian @ 2.524160


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Cypriot +25% French @ 2.473882


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 English + Jew_Moroccan + Kumyk + Sardinian @ 1.920337

This is some of my K13. There must be no northern Italian or Tuscan samples. On other calculators without those samples I've come out Bulgarian. On Dodecad, old as it is, I come out exactly where my genealogy and geographical location in the Italian cline would indicate: midway between Bergamo and TSI, and with the following populations all located either in Spain or the northern Balkans depending on the calculator.

All calculators are not created equal, and all of them have to be interpreted. That's why a lot of these results are so misinterpreted.

As for the "J test", it's totally bogus, imo, as to what it's supposed to show, which is the amount of "Jewish" ancestry based on Ashkenazi samples. If someone wants to know if they have Ashkenazi ancestry they should test at 23andme. I followed the thread about those results for years, and it was never wrong. Even people who swore they had no Jewish ancestry wound up finding it in records or from family members; even the percentages matched. Dienekes could find it too. He told a major researcher who published his whole genome that instead of being part Italian he was part Ashkenazi.

The "J test" is totally inaccurate, as even the "creator" admitted. I, like most people, show some "Ashkenazi" on it, yet at 23andme I don't have a single match with Ashkenazim. In the face of a lot of results like that he said some nonsense like compare your results to other people from your area, and the excess is Ashkenazi. Really? Is that printed anywhere in the info about the test for the vast majority of people who use it who aren't privy to that?

It should be removed from gedmatch.

Albanian	4.12
2	Greek	4.51
3	Sicilian	7.04
4	Bulgarian	7.68
5	Italian_South	9

[Dibran]

This is some of my K13. There must be no northern Italian or Tuscan samples. On other calculators without those samples I've come out Bulgarian. On Dodecad, old as it is, I come out exactly where my genealogy and geographical location in the Italian cline would indicate: midway between Bergamo and TSI, and with the following populations all located either in Spain or the northern Balkans depending on the calculator.

All calculators are not created equal, and all of them have to be interpreted. That's why a lot of these results are so misinterpreted.

As for the "J test", it's totally bogus, imo, as to what it's supposed to show, which is the amount of "Jewish" ancestry based on Ashkenazi samples. If someone wants to know if they have Ashkenazi ancestry they should test at 23andme. I followed the thread about those results for years, and it was never wrong. Even people who swore they had no Jewish ancestry wound up finding it in records or from family members; even the percentages matched. Dienekes could find it too. He told a major researcher who published his whole genome that instead of being part Italian he was part Ashkenazi.

The "J test" is totally inaccurate, as even the "creator" admitted. I, like most people, show some "Ashkenazi" on it, yet at 23andme I don't have a single match with Ashkenazim. In the face of a lot of results like that he said some nonsense like compare your results to other people from your area, and the excess is Ashkenazi. Really? Is that printed anywhere in the info about the test for the vast majority of people who use it who aren't privy to that?

It should be removed from gedmatch.

Albanian	4.12
2	Greek	4.51
3	Sicilian	7.04
4	Bulgarian	7.68
5	Italian_South	9

i Usually get Ashkenazi on some calculators however on 23andme me and my father get no Ashlenazi. Your breakdown is a usually similar to mine. When there is no Albanian sample, Tuscan is first with Greek and the rest following.

I wonder what the closeness between Albanians and Tuscans is? Could it be due to heavy Roman occupation in the Balkans that was absorbed by Albanians?

[Angela]

i Usually get Ashkenazi on some calculators however on 23andme me and my father get no Ashlenazi.

I wonder what the closeness between Albanians and Tuscans is? Could it be due to heavy Roman occupation in the Balkans that was absorbed by Albanians?

I highly doubt it. I think most of it is much, much older than that, and Albanians, Greeks, and to some extent Bulgarians have retained more of that ancient ancestry they share with Italians because they weren't as impacted by the Slavic migrations of the early Middle Ages as were people like Croatians, Serbs, etc.

At the very dawn of population genetics, Cavalli-Sforza, just using blood proteins, said that Northern Italians were closest to Bulgarians, and southern Italians to Greeks. I'd have to hunt through lots of his old writings to find the exact quote, but I assure you he said it.

You can get an idea from his PCAs. They're over 30 years old, I think:

PCA1-the Neolithic


The steppe and what we would call today SHG, maybe EHG, but which some people called "Uralic":


What he thought might be Greek colonization, PCA 4:


There is some movement, of course, from Albania to Italy because of the Arbereshe, and the fact that Ralph and Coop et al did find some movement between the Balkans and Italy in the last 1500 years supports that, but most of it went to Southern Italy.

The populations aren't identical, of course. If there are samples from both areas most calculators can correctly tell you you're Albanian, not Italian, and vice versa for Tuscans and Northern Italians.

[DuPidh]

Interesting