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    Question about my wife's Ancestry and Gedmatch results

    My wife was told by her father that he was 100% percent German. Her mother is 1/2 Polish, 1/2 French. Her Ancestry results indicate a high percentage of Irish. She's questioning whether her father is her biological parent. Any insights on these results?

    Europe
    98%


    Ireland
    46%



    Europe East
    22%



    Great Britain
    13%



    Europe West
    10%


    And her Gedmatch EU V2 K15 results:

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 34.91
    2 Atlantic 23.74
    3 Baltic 15.41
    4 Eastern_Euro 11.47
    5 West_Med 10.15
    6 South_Asian 1.11
    7 West_Asian 1.07
    8 Sub-Saharan 0.83
    9 Siberian 0.72
    10 Oceanian 0.53
    11 Amerindian 0.05

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Norwegian 5.95
    2 Swedish 6.22
    3 North_Dutch 6.55
    4 Danish 6.93
    5 North_German 7.05
    6 North_Swedish 7.37
    7 Southwest_English 7.97
    8 West_Norwegian 8.16
    9 Southeast_English 8.35
    10 West_German 8.57
    11 Irish 8.62
    12 South_Dutch 8.78
    13 West_Scottish 8.81
    14 East_German 9.01
    15 Orcadian 9.59
    16 Southwest_Finnish 11.17
    17 French 13
    18 Hungarian 13.74
    19 Finnish 14.07
    20 Austrian 14.76

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 81.2% Swedish + 18.8% Southwest_French @ 3.37
    2 73% Southwest_English + 27% Estonian @ 3.52
    3 63.5% Norwegian + 36.5% East_German @ 3.56
    4 90.3% Swedish + 9.7% Sardinian @ 3.61
    5 81.6% Swedish + 18.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.61
    6 53% West_Norwegian + 47% East_German @ 3.65
    7 67.3% Orcadian + 32.7% Ukrainian @ 3.74
    8 65.9% Southwest_English + 34.1% Finnish @ 3.8
    9 86% Swedish + 14% French_Basque @ 3.88
    10 78.2% North_Swedish + 21.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.95
    11 83.5% Norwegian + 16.5% Southwest_French @ 3.95
    12 83.9% Swedish + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.96
    13 78.4% North_Swedish + 21.6% Southwest_French @ 3.98
    14 67.5% Orcadian + 32.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.05
    15 83.6% Swedish + 16.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.06
    16 84.6% Swedish + 15.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.07
    17 83.9% Swedish + 16.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.07
    18 91.6% Norwegian + 8.4% Sardinian @ 4.08
    19 80.9% Swedish + 19.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.09
    20 83% North_Swedish + 17% French_Basque @ 4.1

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    The only way to know is for him to get tested. It will then be crystal clear, but I certainly wouldn't go by results like these, especially not the ones from gedmatch.


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    Ok thanks much

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    Her mother, is she French Canadian or directly from France? Because French Canadians mostly come from Western France, which is very similar to Irish DNA (if I relay on some of Maciamo's maps). Perhaps this may boost by mistake the Irish proportion.

    However, I find this kind of nationalities percentages pretty dubious. Perhaps a good old family tree will bring some answers regarding her father's origins.

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    Ok thanks. I would assume that if her dad was 100% German as he claims (and testing confirms it) then the 47% Irish may suggest that her bio father is someone else?

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    I'm pretty sure Irish and North German score similarly in most GEDmatch tests. What scores did her testing company [Ancestry.com, 23andme, FTDNA) give her? They usually have an accurate British/Irish cluster which can confirm if she has British/Irish ancestry or not.

    The best test on GEDmatch for determining subregional ancestry is Eurogenes K36. K36 doesn't have an oracle on GEDmatch but people online have created one. If you post your wife's GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 results someone on this forum can run it through that Oracle.

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    Ancestry gave her 47% Irish

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    K 36
    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 1.88
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.42
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.97
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 10.03
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 7.60
    Fennoscandian 11.41
    French 7.23
    Iberian 15.34
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 4.84
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 14.47
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 15.21
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy 0.08
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 0.51
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.01
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

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    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 1.88
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.42
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.97
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 10.03
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 7.60
    Fennoscandian 11.41
    French 7.23
    Iberian 15.34
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 4.84
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 14.47
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 15.21
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy 0.08
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 0.51
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.01
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

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    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 1.88
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 7.42
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 1.97
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 10.03
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 7.60
    Fennoscandian 11.41
    French 7.23
    Iberian 15.34
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 4.84
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 14.47
    North_Caucasian -
    North_Sea 15.21
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy 0.08
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 0.51
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 2.01
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -

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    Population
    Amerindian
    Arabian
    Armenian
    Basque 1.88
    Central_African
    Central_Euro 7.42
    East_African
    East_Asian
    East_Balkan 1.97
    East_Central_Asian
    East_Central_Euro 10.03
    East_Med
    Eastern_Euro 7.60
    Fennoscandian 11.41
    French 7.23
    Iberian 15.34
    Indo-Chinese
    Italian 4.84
    Malayan
    Near_Eastern
    North_African
    North_Atlantic 14.47
    North_Caucasian
    North_Sea 15.21
    Northeast_African
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy 0.08
    Siberian
    South_Asian
    South_Central_Asian 0.51
    South_Chinese
    Volga-Ural 2.01
    West_African
    West_Caucasian
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    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    Honestly, that K36 from Eurogenes is absolutely nonsense, imo.

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    Somebody ran the K 36 oracle for my wife:

    Your wife nMonte

    [1] "distance%=2.6438 / distance=0.026438"

    Orcadian 36.15
    FR_Bretagne 30.05
    PL_Sudovia 15.70
    NE-England 5.90
    Spain_La-Rioja 4.85
    Finnish_East 4.15
    Latvian 1.70
    Mari 1.20
    Spain_Centabria 0.30
    SW-England 0.00

    It seems some British ancestry really is visible. I can't deny it. In Admix4 in Gaussian she's English + Polish even...


    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 7,857962
    2 NW-England @ 8,675483
    3 Ireland @ 9,089775
    4 British_mixed @ 9,13195
    5 German_North @ 9,209909
    6 Welsh @ 9,282853
    7 SE_England @ 9,916829
    8 NE-England @ 10,152435
    9 England_Cumberland @ 10,264927
    10 Scotland @ 10,404497
    11 Norway @ 10,488853
    12 Denmark @ 10,593869
    13 Flemish @ 11,053711
    14 Northern_Ireland @ 11,119316
    15 SW-England @ 11,377577
    16 German_West @ 11,479166
    17 South_Germany @ 11,872395
    18 South_Dutch @ 12,199216
    19 German_East @ 12,259657
    20 Sweden @ 12,266509
    337 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 German_East+SW-England @ 5,031857
    2 German_East+NE-England @ 5,42663
    3 German_East+Orcadian @ 5,772624
    4 German_East+Ireland @ 5,775369
    5 Czechs_Moravians+SW-England @ 5,879029
    6 German_East+Northern_Ireland @ 5,923997
    7 PL_SE_Carpathia+SW-England @ 5,945526
    8 German_East+FR_Bretagne @ 6,013848
    9 German_East+Welsh @ 6,085642
    10 German_East+England_Cumberland @ 6,11456
    11 Czechs_Moravians+NE-England @ 6,126596
    12 German_East+British_mixed @ 6,209087
    13 PL_Upper_Silesia+SW-England @ 6,460738
    14 German_East+NW-England @ 6,575049
    15 Sorb_Lusatia+SW-England @ 6,575834
    16 Czechs_Moravians+Northern_Ireland @ 6,579756
    17 FR_Bretagne+Sweden_north @ 6,593288
    18 Czechs_Moravians+Orcadian @ 6,630167
    19 Austria+Orcadian @ 6,654706
    20 Pl_Kashubians+SW-England @ 6,672329
    56953 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,503385
    2 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Center @ 3,650362
    3 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 3,693428
    4 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Belarusian_East @ 3,740222
    5 50% SW-England +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% NE-England @ 3,75281
    6 50% NE-England +25% Russian_Center +25% SW-England @ 3,784293
    7 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 3,788783
    8 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Belarusian_West @ 3,795206
    9 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Rostov @ 3,807822
    10 50% NE-England +25% Russian_Tambov +25% SW-England @ 3,809056
    11 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% NE-England @ 3,819131
    12 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Tambov @ 3,863886
    13 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,87718
    14 50% NE-England +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% SW-England @ 3,878204
    15 50% NE-England +25% Belarusian_West +25% SW-England @ 3,884327
    16 50% NE-England +25% Ireland +25% Russian_Tambov @ 3,890161
    17 50% NE-England +25% Orcadian +25% Russian_Tambov @ 3,890591
    18 50% SW-England +25% Belarusian_West +25% NE-England @ 3,892903
    19 50% NE-England +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Latvian @ 3,898347
    20 50% NE-England +25% Belarusian_East +25% SW-England @ 3,907131
    9411796 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Pskov+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,503385
    2 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Pskov+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,567148
    3 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Center+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,650362
    4 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Bryansk+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,682802
    5 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Bryansk+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,693428
    6 FR_Bretagne+Latvian+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,723253
    7 FR_Bretagne+Belarusian_East+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,740222
    8 Russian_Bryansk+SW-England+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,75281
    9 Russian_Center+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,784293
    10 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Smolensk+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,788783
    11 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Russian_Bryansk+NE-England @ 3,791724
    12 FR_Bretagne+Belarusian_West+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,795206
    13 FR_Bretagne+NE-England+NE-England+Russian_Rostov @ 3,807822
    14 Russian_Tambov+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,809056
    15 FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne+Russian_Novgorod+NE-England @ 3,819131
    16 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Russian_Pskov+NE-England @ 3,86145
    17 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Tambov+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,863886
    18 FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Russian_Pskov+NE-England @ 3,866999
    19 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Pskov+NE-England+England_Cumberland @ 3,874933
    20 FR_Bretagne+NE-England+NE-England+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,87718
    21 Russian_Smolensk+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,878204
    22 Belarusian_West+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,884327
    23 Ireland+Russian_Tambov+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,890161
    24 Orcadian+Russian_Tambov+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,890591
    25 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+NE-England+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,89126
    26 Belarusian_West+SW-England+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,892903
    27 FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Russian_Novgorod+NE-England @ 3,895205
    28 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Russian_Center+NE-England @ 3,89792
    29 FR_Bretagne+Latvian+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,898347
    30 Orcadian+Russian_Tambov+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,899664
    31 Belarusian_East+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,907131
    32 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Belarusian_West+NE-England @ 3,912036
    33 Orcadian+Belarusian_West+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,913981
    34 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+NE-England+Russian_Rostov @ 3,919305
    35 Russian_Bryansk+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,931151
    36 FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Estonian @ 3,933572
    37 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Novgorod+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,934207
    38 Orcadian+Russian_Center+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,939585
    39 Orcadian+Russian_Bryansk+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,93961
    40 Russian_Pskov+SW-England+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,941473
    110187904 iterations.


    Gaussian method.
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Orcadian @ 3,1688
    2 Denmark @ 3,192359
    3 Norway @ 3,493529
    4 Ireland @ 3,524235
    5 Sweden @ 3,526698
    6 NW-England @ 3,635823
    7 Northern_Ireland @ 3,728181
    8 SE_England @ 3,732859
    9 British_mixed @ 3,739045
    10 German_North @ 3,895578
    11 England_Cumberland @ 4,014955
    12 German_East @ 4,047779
    13 Scotland @ 4,048149
    14 NE-England @ 4,124695
    15 Sweden_north @ 4,151602
    16 SW-England @ 4,22387
    17 Central_Dutch @ 4,253397
    18 North_Dutch @ 4,371193
    19 FR_Bretagne @ 4,453731
    20 France_NorthWest @ 4,487953
    337 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Pl_north+SW-England @ 2,793115
    2 FR_Bretagne+Pl_north @ 2,794527
    3 FR_Bretagne+PL_Sudovia @ 2,883986
    4 Pl_north+NE-England @ 2,903308
    5 FR_Bretagne+Sweden_north @ 2,904319
    6 FR_Bretagne+Latvian @ 2,965272
    7 FR_Bretagne+Estonian @ 2,971589
    8 PL_Sudovia+SW-England @ 2,975177
    9 PL_Wielkopolska+SW-England @ 2,996687
    10 FR_Bretagne+Sweden @ 3,000771
    11 FR_Bretagne+Russian_Pskov @ 3,002108
    12 PL_Mazovia+SW-England @ 3,006735
    13 FR_Bretagne+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,022492
    14 Orcadian+Denmark @ 3,049137
    15 Pl_Kashubians+SW-England @ 3,052002
    16 FR_Bretagne+PL_Mazovia @ 3,052601
    17 FR_Bretagne+Denmark @ 3,067167
    18 FR_Bretagne+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,079668
    19 Northern_Ireland+Pl_north @ 3,101996
    20 Russian_Pskov+SW-England @ 3,104701
    56953 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Denmark +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,384094
    2 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden_north +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,395624
    3 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dutch +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,426629
    4 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Denmark +25% Russian_Pskov @ 2,445225
    5 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dutch +25% Russian_Pskov @ 2,47525
    6 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden_north +25% Russian_Pskov @ 2,486325
    7 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Denmark +25% Latvian @ 2,493269
    8 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,506719
    9 50% SW-England +25% Denmark +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,525039
    10 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Denmark +25% Estonian @ 2,532978
    11 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Norway_north +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,543317
    12 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Norway +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,545405
    13 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden_north +25% Pl_north @ 2,549358
    14 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Orcadian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 2,554691
    15 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dutch +25% Estonian @ 2,555742
    16 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden_north +25% Latvian @ 2,573348
    17 50% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden +25% Russian_Pskov @ 2,574378
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Honestly, that K36 from Eurogenes is absolutely nonsense, imo.
    I just ran the gedmatch on this for the first time in a long time. I'm sorry, but any test that says I'm only 25% Italian is full of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    Ok thanks. I would assume that if her dad was 100% German as he claims (and testing confirms it) then the 47% Irish may suggest that her bio father is someone else?
    Just because someone thinks they are 100% German doesn't mean they really are. This is especially true for people from the United States. Also, if there was a non paternal event causing the discrepancy it could have occurred with her grandparents not necessarily her father. I would have him take the same Ancestry DNA test. Both my parents did and on my matches it shows they are very likely my parents.

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    Her father could still be 100% German based on the Ancestry.DNA results. Any kind of European DNA (British, Irish, Scandinavian, even Eastern European) is absorbed into the German gene pool, and these tests aren't meant to tell the difference between German, British or French ancestry because there is little if any genetic difference. They are more for discerning continental heritage, European vs Asian.

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