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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Is this calculator using such an outlier? That wouldn't make sense.
    Not quite sure I've been using this link below to access ancient DNA, however the website hasn't been updated for 2 years and I acknowledge that there are more ancient DNA on Gedmatch and but I found only found 1 sample on Y-str that matched Eupedia's Yamna article. There are so many adventure legend out there that I wouldn't quite put outlier out of the question. RISE548 was found in the Don & Kuban region.

    However I have to admit, it was entertaining to suddenly see that 90% EHG on a pie scale looks like Pac-Man instead of the roughly 40-50% CHG I was originally expecting. That was pretty cool :)

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    Attachment 9105

    I like this one, seems to give a good reference group. Only odd thing is I get 0% Western European Hunter.

    ANCIENT FARMERS 69.0%
    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 26.8%
    LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 4.5%
    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 8.7%
    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 29.0%

    STEPPE CULTURES 28.5%
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 9.9%
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 10.3%
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 8.3%

    AFRICAN 2.5%
    EAST AFRICAN (modern) 0.8%
    WEST AFRICAN (modern) 1.7%

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    [QUOTE=New Englander;518265]Attachment 9105

    I like this one, seems to give a good reference group. Only odd thing is I get 0% Western European Hunter.


    very strange i score 12% whg in mdlp k11 and 0% here
    and i am sure you even more whg in mdlp k11 as you have a Scottish roots
    so the 0% is weird
    maybe it is hiding in your west european farmers
    as they are based on chl Iberian and those did have whg admixture .
    other than that the calculator looks good
    kind regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Englander View Post
    Attachment 9105

    I like this one, seems to give a good reference group. Only odd thing is I get 0% Western European Hunter.


    very strange i score 12% whg in mdlp k11 and 0% here
    and i am sure you even more whg in mdlp k11 as you have a Scottish roots
    so the 0% is weird
    maybe it is hiding in your west european farmers
    as they are based on chl Iberian and those did have whg admixture .
    other than that the calculator looks good
    kind regards
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    At the most, the WHG is 20%-30% of the West European farmer, and probably quite a bit less for most of the East European farmers. (I wouldn't have labeled them that, btw, as I think it's misleading. It looks like LBK plus the Balkans plus Anatolia.) *

    The more southeastern your ancestry, the less of this you're going to get, because there was no reservoir of WHG here. That only existed in the far northeast from what I can tell, or perhaps a bit of the northern strip, which later diffused into other areas, but probably never into the more populated areas of the south.

    Also, I think people have been led astray by amateur calculators created by people with an agenda to push. The academics never saw a lot of WHG in modern Europeans other than what had been absorbed by the farmers.

    See: Haak et al


    The more you people talk about this the more intrigued I'm getting, so maybe for the first time in a long time I'll try a calculator. At least this has the benefit of not being created by people I distrust, and it's actually based on a good sample of ancient genomes.


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    [QUOTE=Angela;518421]
    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post

    At the most, the WHG is 20%-30% of the West European farmer, and probably quite a bit less for most of the East European farmers. (I wouldn't have labeled them that, btw, as I think it's misleading. It looks like LBK plus the Balkans plus Anatolia.) *

    The more southeastern your ancestry, the less of this you're going to get, because there was no reservoir of WHG here. That only existed in the far northeast from what I can tell, or perhaps a bit of the northern strip, which later diffused into other areas, but probably never into the more populated areas of the south.

    Also, I think people have been led astray by amateur calculators created by people with an agenda to push. The academics never saw a lot of WHG in modern Europeans other than what had been absorbed by the farmers.

    See: Haak et al


    The more you people talk about this the more intrigued I'm getting, so maybe for the first time in a long time I'll try a calculator. At least this has the benefit of not being created by people I distrust, and it's actually based on a good sample of ancient genomes.
    I think we have to do some research on this. Are the European farmer samples in this calculator before or after the "HG resurgence"?If it's before, they had almost no WHG.

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    Well, that's nice, I just proved my two prior posts with my own results. :) Click to enlarge.

    Attachment 9123



    This is a map of the geographical location of the ancient samples.

    Attachment 9124

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    i can't see the results
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    can you please copy paste them
    kind regards
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    p.s
    the west farmers are based on neolithic Portuguese and chl Iberian references from what i remember .



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    Darn! I saved it to my computer and then uploaded. I even clicked approve attachment, so I don't know why it doesn't work.

    Anyway...

    Ancient farmers: 74.3
    Steppe cultures: 25.7

    African 0
    Eastern Non-Africans 0
    Southeast Eurasian 0
    Western European & Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers 0


    • ANCIENT FARMERS
      74.3%
    • STEPPE CULTURES
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    • AFRICAN
      0.0%
    • EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)
      0.0%
    • SOUTHEAST EURASIAN
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    • WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)
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    I think this is now my favorite calculator. Who did it, btw?

    For the farmer and steppe portions, see below. The only thing I don't understand is why I got higher numbers for certain steppe cultures than others:



    • ANCIENT FARMERS
      74.3%

      • WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)
        39.2%
      • LEVANT (4000-8000 years)
        3.3%
      • NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)
        3.4%
      • EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)
        28.4%











    • STEPPE CULTURES
      25.7%

      • KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)
        12.6%


      • ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)
        5.3%


      • YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)

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    Angela, you and NewEnglander are very very similar

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    He's British, Italian, and Jewish, yes? I think he said half British?

    The similarity is in the big blocks, where it's a few point difference either way, and then a 2.5% SSA score for him versus 0 for me. There's a lot more difference when you get to the sub-categories, I'm 12 points higher in Western European Farmers, which makes sense given my location, and I have less than half the Neolithic Iran, Armenian type ancestry.

    From what I've seen at anthrogenica, most people get from 3-5% Levant, so I'm on the low end, and a lot of people also get a few percent Iran Neolithic. It would be interesting to know the percentages by area. For ease of reference:
    New Englander/Me

    Ancient Farmers: 69/74.3
    Western European 26.8/39.2
    Levant 4.5/3.3
    Iran 8.7/3.4
    Eastern Europe 29/28.4

    Steppe: 28.5/25.7/
    Karasuk-E Scythian 9.9/12.6
    Andronovo-Scrubnaya 10.3/5.3
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka 8.3/7.8

    All people from the Balkans that I've seen so far get around 28% steppe. Probably he has closer to that because of his British ancestry.

    In the substructures, again, he's quite different. Comparisons with mixed people are always difficult.

    SubSaharan 2.5/0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    He's British, Italian, and Jewish, yes? I think he said half British?

    The similarity is in the big blocks, where it's a few point difference either way, and then a 2.5% SSA score for him versus 0 for me. There's a lot more difference when you get to the sub-categories, I'm 12 points higher in Western European Farmers, which makes sense given my location, and I have less than half the Neolithic Iran, Armenian type ancestry.

    From what I've seen at anthrogenica, most people get from 3-5% Levant, so I'm on the low end, and a lot of people also get a few percent Iran Neolithic. It would be interesting to know the percentages by area. For ease of reference:
    New Englander/Me

    Ancient Farmers: 69/74.3
    Western European 26.8/39.2
    Levant 4.5/3.3
    Iran 8.7/3.4
    Eastern Europe 29/28.4

    Steppe: 28.5/25.7/
    Karasuk-E Scythian 9.9/12.6
    Andronovo-Scrubnaya 10.3/5.3
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka 8.3/7.8

    All people from the Balkans that I've seen so far get around 28% steppe. Probably he has closer to that because of his British ancestry.

    In the substructures, again, he's quite different. Comparisons with mixed people are always difficult.

    SubSaharan 2.5/0
    Dont' you think there is something amiss in this calculator? Now we need to explain how 10% of Scythian got to Italy. I also can't figure out by these admixture and explain how Caucasian admixture increased in Europe during Bronze Age. Did it come with 10% of Levant/Iran? Of course not. This is too much Eurocentric thought in it. Perhaps by Eastern European farmer they mean Anatolian farmer?
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    Here's mine:
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    Ancient Farmers 76.7

    Western Euro Farmers 34.8
    Levant 5.1
    Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran CHG 5.5
    East Euro Farmers 31.2

    Steppe Culture 17.3

    Karasuk-E Scythian 1.0
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    Yamnaya A P 9.3

    African 2.9

    East African 2.9
    West African 0

    Southeast Eurasian 2.7

    Eastern Non Africans 0.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Dont' you think there is something amiss in this calculator? Now we need to explain how 10% of Scythian got to Italy. I also can't figure out by these admixture and explain how Caucasian admixture increased in Europe during Bronze Age. Did it come with 10% of Levant/Iran? Of course not. This is too much Eurocentric thought in it. Perhaps by Eastern European farmer they mean Anatolian farmer?
    I think it's quite good, actually. I wish I could copy paste the map provided by the creator . It shows, as I said upthread, that the Eastern farmer is indeed not only LBK; it's also Anatolian farmer. It would have come into Italy both from central Europe by means of the northeastern corridor under the Alps, and perhaps directly across the Adriatic, or with Bronze Age movements. The Western European farmer is more Impressa/Cardial, I think, with its incorporated WHG, and the movement of Beaker type farmers into southern France and northern Italy, i.e. the genomes before the arrival of the steppe peoples. I think this is why I always get such high Iberian on calculators based on modern populations. In fact, in some calculators I'm a mix of Iberian and Thessalian, i.e. northern Greece.

    Map of Gene Plaza Samples.jpg

    I'm still trying to make sense of the substructure in steppe. Perhaps it's because Yamnaya and Andronovo are north of the Alps movements, which would perhaps mean not much of it made it's way into Italy? There was a big settlement of Alans in central into northern Italy, which I used to "blame" for the 2% East Asian/Korean that I habitually get in some calculators. However, I think it's more likely that this breakdown highlights the different "waves" from the steppe, Yamnaya, then Andronovo like, then more "eastern" like. Wasn't Bronze Age 2 sample like that, with more "eastern", Caucasus like ancestry. Some of my Caucasus is "cloaked" in there.

    You know, that's very interesting: does some of the "Caucasus" in northern Italy come from slightly different and "later" steppe people?

    @matadworf,
    Did you do this a while ago? Someone told me they got some weird results at first, but they changed and made more sense later. Maybe you might want to check it again?

    Anyway, my slightly more western and slightly "northern" shift makes sense, I think, even with these results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    He's British, Italian, and Jewish, yes? I think he said half British?

    The similarity is in the big blocks, where it's a few point difference either way, and then a 2.5% SSA score for him versus 0 for me. There's a lot more difference when you get to the sub-categories, I'm 12 points higher in Western European Farmers, which makes sense given my location, and I have less than half the Neolithic Iran, Armenian type ancestry.

    From what I've seen at anthrogenica, most people get from 3-5% Levant, so I'm on the low end, and a lot of people also get a few percent Iran Neolithic. It would be interesting to know the percentages by area. For ease of reference:
    New Englander/Me

    Ancient Farmers: 69/74.3
    Western European 26.8/39.2
    Levant 4.5/3.3
    Iran 8.7/3.4
    Eastern Europe 29/28.4

    Steppe: 28.5/25.7/
    Karasuk-E Scythian 9.9/12.6
    Andronovo-Scrubnaya 10.3/5.3
    Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka 8.3/7.8

    All people from the Balkans that I've seen so far get around 28% steppe. Probably he has closer to that because of his British ancestry.

    In the substructures, again, he's quite different. Comparisons with mixed people are always difficult.

    SubSaharan 2.5/0
    I misread the "3" in your western score ("39") as a "2". I was reading through my phone and scrolling faster than I should've.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think it's quite good, actually. I wish I could copy paste the map provided by the creator . It shows, as I said upthread, that the Eastern farmer is indeed not only LBK; it's also Anatolian farmer. It would have come into Italy both from central Europe by means of the northeastern corridor under the Alps, and perhaps directly across the Adriatic, or with Bronze Age movements. The Western European farmer is more Impressa/Cardial, I think, with its incorporated WHG, and the movement of Beaker type farmers into southern France and northern Italy, i.e. the genomes before the arrival of the steppe peoples. I think this is why I always get such high Iberian on calculators based on modern populations. In fact, in some calculators I'm a mix of Iberian and Thessalian, i.e. northern Greece.

    Map of Gene Plaza Samples.jpg

    I'm still trying to make sense of the substructure in steppe. Perhaps it's because Yamnaya and Andronovo are north of the Alps movements, which would perhaps mean not much of it made it's way into Italy? There was a big settlement of Alans in central into northern Italy, which I used to "blame" for the 2% East Asian/Korean that I habitually get in some calculators. However, I think it's more likely that this breakdown highlights the different "waves" from the steppe, Yamnaya, then Andronovo like, then more "eastern" like. Wasn't Bronze Age 2 sample like that, with more "eastern", Caucasus like ancestry. Some of my Caucasus is "cloaked" in there.

    You know, that's very interesting: does some of the "Caucasus" in northern Italy come from slightly different and "later" steppe people?

    @matadworf,
    Did you do this a while ago? Someone told me they got some weird results at first, but they changed and made more sense later. Maybe you might want to check it again?

    Anyway, my slightly more western and slightly "northern" shift makes sense, I think, even with these results.
    @ Angela. Just did it today. Was there something odd about my results? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadworf View Post
    @ Angela. Just did it today. Was there something odd about my results? Thanks
    Not weird as in wrong, of course, or bad. I apologize if it came across that way. I just didn't expect any African to show up in mainland Greece. I would have thought even the East African would have disappeared by now. I don't understand the southeast Eurasian either. I normally see it as a trace of the South Asian in some steppe ancestry. Perhaps that's what happened. You just happen to have kept a trace of it.

    Still, I'd wait a day or so and maybe try it again.

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    Me :

    ANCIENT FARMERS 50.0%

    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 28.9%

    LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 4.7%

    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)2.2%

    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 14.3%

    .................................................. .................................................. .............


    STEPPE CULTURES 35.3%

    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 4.5%

    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 18.1%

    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 12.7%


    .................................................. .................................................. .........................
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    WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)14.7%

    AFRICAN 0.0%
    EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)0.0%
    SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 0.0%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Graham View Post
    Me :

    ANCIENT FARMERS 50.0%

    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 28.9%

    LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 4.7%

    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)2.2%

    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 14.3%

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    STEPPE CULTURES 35.3%

    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 4.5%

    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 18.1%

    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 12.7%


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    and

    WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)14.7%

    AFRICAN 0.0%
    EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)0.0%
    SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 0.0%
    I'm assuming mostly British Isles ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm assuming mostly British Isles ancestry?
    As far as known all but a tiny remote smidgen of German.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Not weird as in wrong, of course, or bad. I apologize if it came across that way. I just didn't expect any African to show up in mainland Greece. I would have thought even the East African would have disappeared by now. I don't understand the southeast Eurasian either. I normally see it as a trace of the South Asian in some steppe ancestry. Perhaps that's what happened. You just happen to have kept a trace of it.
    Still, I'd wait a day or so and maybe try it again.
    Oh no it didn't come across that way at all. I appreciate the insights. I asked the same question of the calculator's creator about the SE asian component but didn't hear back. He did mention something about 23 and Me data being a bit more accurate than Ancestry for SE Asian. Yes the East African is strange and nothing of the sort has shown up before. Ethiopians in Greece during the classical period? I know just a far fetched notion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think it's quite good, actually. I wish I could copy paste the map provided by the creator . It shows, as I said upthread, that the Eastern farmer is indeed not only LBK; it's also Anatolian farmer. It would have come into Italy both from central Europe by means of the northeastern corridor under the Alps, and perhaps directly across the Adriatic, or with Bronze Age movements. The Western European farmer is more Impressa/Cardial, I think, with its incorporated WHG, and the movement of Beaker type farmers into southern France and northern Italy, i.e. the genomes before the arrival of the steppe peoples. I think this is why I always get such high Iberian on calculators based on modern populations. In fact, in some calculators I'm a mix of Iberian and Thessalian, i.e. northern Greece.

    You know, that's very interesting: does some of the "Caucasus" in northern Italy come from slightly different and "later" steppe people?
    Some Caucasian was in Steppe but not really much. If they included Anatolia in Eastern European Farmer, then it means that Eastern EF is actually Chalcolithic/BA Anatolia/Armenia, which spilled into Balkans and Beyond. Farmers anyway, but really distinct, and perhaps misnomer in Eurocentric way.






    I'm still trying to make sense of the substructure in steppe. Perhaps it's because Yamnaya and Andronovo are north of the Alps movements, which would perhaps mean not much of it made it's way into Italy? There was a big settlement of Alans in central into northern Italy, which I used to "blame" for the 2% East Asian/Korean that I habitually get in some calculators. However, I think it's more likely that this breakdown highlights the different "waves" from the steppe, Yamnaya, then Andronovo like, then more "eastern" like. Wasn't Bronze Age 2 sample like that, with more "eastern", Caucasus like ancestry. Some of my Caucasus is "cloaked" in there.
    I think it is actually Yamnaya part we share with Andronovo and Scythians but not a direct ancestry. Such huge Scythian invasion in times of written history, would have been noticed, and by now archaeologically confirmed.

    What I mean is that if we on Eupedia have to fatigue our brains about that, what does it mean for ordinary user?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Some Caucasian was in Steppe but not really much. If they included Anatolia in Eastern European Farmer, then it means that Eastern EF is actually Chalcolithic/BA Anatolia/Armenia, which spilled into Balkans and Beyond. Farmers anyway, but really distinct, and perhaps misnomer in Eurocentric way.






    I think it is actually Yamnaya part we share with Andronovo and Scythians but not a direct ancestry. Such huge Scythian invasion in times of written history, would have been noticed, and by now archaeologically confirmed.

    What I mean is that if we on Eupedia have to fatigue our brains about that, what does it mean for ordinary user?
    That isn't what the academics are saying using formal stats and the ancient samples, LeBrok. They're still saying upwards of 40% Caucasus/Iran Chalcolithic like in steppe, although not at the beginning.

    No, the Eastern European Farmer includes LBK; it's too early to be Chalcolithic. The listed time period for the samples is 8,000-5,000 years ago, and the map shows LBK, so first wave. I do think, as I said above, that Eastern European farmer is not a very good term. Maybe they should have just said "LBK, Balkan, and Anatolian farmers". What they're getting at is genomes that don't have too much admixture and are like the early farmers who came into Europe. They specifically say that.

    As for ordinary users, I don't think they're going to understand it, but they don't understand their 23andme or Ancestry results either, as you can see from some questions that even wind up here.

    I actually think that for these people the companies wind up causing a lot of disinformation being passed around. One example I've seen often is Caribbean Islanders who see "Italian" results, and think they have recent Italian ancestors. The "Spanish" and "Italian" that they get should be added to get an Iberian percentage unless they know for a fact they have a recent Italian in their tree. It's just a stand in for more Western European versus more southeastern European, similar to what I show in terms of Western Mediterranean farmer and Eastern Mediterranean farmer.

    I have to disagree about the steppe. The steppe ancestry came in waves too, and the later ones came from further east on the steppe. I suppose it's still possible in my particular case that it's Alans, since I get that 2% East Asian/Siberian in a lot of calculators.

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    STEPPE CULTURES 45.1
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN 21.2
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA 16.4
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA 7.5

    ANCIENT FARMERS 38.4
    WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS 13.5
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    EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS 22.1

    WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS 16.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by olov View Post
    Results north swedish

    STEPPE CULTURES 45.1
    KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN 21.2
    ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA 16.4
    YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA 7.5
    Now I'm convinced that we are not talking direct ancestry from these groups, but genetic similarities to these groups. Surely, there was no 40% Steppe migration during late bronze and Iron Age into Sweden. Yes? Even these numbers might not be right, as 7.5% of Yamnaya in Sweden seems to be low.

    NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG 0.0
    As Angela mentioned there might be up to 40% of Iran Chalcolithic in Yamnaya. So why is it 0% here? On this chart Norwegians are over 50% Yamnaya. Sweden should be alike. We also know that vast majority of Andronovo and huge percentage in Scythian comes from Yamnaya. Therefore Yamanaya should be dominant of all the steppe here.



    One thing make sense (though roughly) that they give 45% Steppe ancestry to Sweden all together. However how they divide this number into different steppe cultures and imply direct ancestry is questionable.

    They are trying to achieve something impossible here to entertain the public. It is not a simple matter and this looks like a farce. You can only do it with contemporary to each other cultures, however if we go through times and deal with cultures which shared ancestry, this is not going to work this way. We can only show it as genetic similarities, unconstraint with 100% limit. Or direct ancestry genetic similarities if possible.

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    Welcome to Eupedia Olov.

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