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Today, Geneplaza published a new calculator to find out how related are you to ancient civilizations.
Just got mine!
If you had paid for k11 calculator, then it's free to get results for k12.Costs 5 euros...no thank you
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Yep! That's what it says.Are these based on the actual ancient samples?
Here is my results, the results are okay. The only concern I have is that the "Western European Farmers" samples came from Neolithic Iberia;aka Atlantic Megalithic and a mixture of WHG and EFF themselves.
HOW RELATED ARE YOU TO ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
- ANCIENT FARMERS54.2%
- WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)29.5%
- LEVANT (4000-8000 years)5.2%
- NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)4.4%
- EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)15.2%
- STEPPE CULTURES32.3%
- WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)13.5%
- AFRICAN0.0%
- EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)0.0%
- SOUTHEAST EURASIAN0.0%
Our wish came true and after years waiting we have so much data to wrap our brains around, that clarity got mudded. Seems like long are gone times of 3 basic admixtures ANE, WHG and EEF.Well, steppe cultures have maybe 40% CHG, so that would increase the "farmer" component, because I doubt the people who brought it to the steppe were Mesolithic hunter-gatherers in the main. Of course, they may not have been farmers either, perhaps herders? I guess once again we have to wait and see.
It's not a bad breakdown at all in terms of using the populations which would have been doing the majority of the mixing in the Bronze Age. In fact, it's not far from the figures I came up with for the British Isles using Haak estimates and extrapolating a bit.
I guess the Levant farmer came along with the Neolithic farmers or the Bronze Age farmers. It certainly can't be attributed to the Moorish invasions in your case.
Our wish came true and after years waiting we have so much data to wrap our brains around, that clarity got mudded. Seems like long are gone times of 3 basic admixtures ANE, WHG and EEF.
Be careful what we wish for ....
One needs to have a flexible and fit mind in genetics, history, abstract thinking and keep open mind, to make sense of all the ancestry and admixtures going back through time and space. Ordinary people will be lost in deep ancestry subject and will lose interest quickly, remembering only few pieces which stuck in their mind.
Well, steppe cultures have maybe 40% CHG, so that would increase the "farmer" component, because I doubt the people who brought it to the steppe were Mesolithic hunter-gatherers in the main. Of course, they may not have been farmers either, perhaps herders? I guess once again we have to wait and see.
It's not a bad breakdown at all in terms of using the populations which would have been doing the majority of the mixing in the Bronze Age. In fact, it's not far from the figures I came up with for the British Isles using Haak estimates and extrapolating a bit.
I guess the Levant farmer came along with the Neolithic farmers or the Bronze Age farmers. It certainly can't be attributed to the Moorish invasions in your case.
I didn't pay for anything when I got my results, I already had like 3 euros credit automatically but it's gone now.If you had paid for k11 calculator, then it's free to get results for k12.
Interesting, concidering that the calculator was just released today this is a lot of interesting components to take in. Totally agree, Would be interesting to see how the Baltic Countries and Sweden fairs in this calculator.
According to Geneplaza, the Levant Neolithic Genome was recovered from Ain Ghazal, Jordan dated at around 4300 BP.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Ain_Ghazal
Here is my results, the results are okay. The only concern I have is that the "Western European Farmers" samples came from Neolithic Iberia;aka Atlantic Megalithic and a mixture of WHG and EFF themselves.
HOW RELATED ARE YOU TO ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS
- ANCIENT FARMERS54.2%
- WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)29.5%
- LEVANT (4000-8000 years)5.2%
- NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)4.4%
- EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)15.2%
- STEPPE CULTURES32.3%
- WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)13.5%
- AFRICAN0.0%
- EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)0.0%
- SOUTHEAST EURASIAN0.0%
Are these based on the actual ancient samples?
The $3 credit only covers purchases less than $3, it cannot go towards the $5 fee for this one.
I ordered the "Ancestry" with my free credit and paid $5 for the K12.
ANCIENT FARMERS 48.2%
- WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)17.0%
- References include Neolithic genomes from Portugal, and Chalcolithic genomes from Spain. The similarity between these farmers and other Mediterranean farmers points to a rapid spread of agriculture in Europe around 7000 years ago.
- LEVANT (4000-8000 years)3.4%
- Based on neolithic and bronze-age period samples recovered from the Levant area in the Middle-East. The references for the bronze age Levant farmer (BA) samples were recovered from the Ain Ghazal, Jordan area and were dated to about 4300 years ago.
The first farmers of the southern Levant (Israel and Jordan) and Zagros Mountains (Iran) were strongly genetically differentiated, and each descended from local hunter-gatherers. By the time of the Bronze Age, these two populations and Anatolian-related farmers had mixed with each other and with the hunter- gatherers of Europe to drastically reduce genetic differentiation. The impact of the Near Eastern farmers extended beyond the Near East: farmers related to those of Anatolia spread westward into Europe; farmers related to those of the Levant spread southward into East Africa; farmers related to those from Iran spread northward into the Eurasian steppe; and people related to both the early farmers of Iran and to the pastoralists of he Eurasian steppe spread eastward into South Asia.- NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)3.5%
- Based on Neolithic and chalcolithic period samples recovered from Northwest Iran. The farmers from the Zagros mountain Iran region descended from one of multiple, genetically differentiated hunter-gatherer populations in southwestern Asia.
They are estimated to have separated from Early Neolithic farmers in Anatolia some 46,000 to 77,000 years ago, and show affinities to modern-day Kurd, Iranian, Pakistani and Afghan populations.
The Neolithic Iranian references used for this component, were recovered from the Kurdistan region of Iran, and appear to be around 9000 years old. The Chalcolithic Iranian references have been dated to around 5000 years old. The Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (CHG) appear to have genetically contributed to present day Europeans, W Asians, and S Asians.- EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)24.3%
- References consist of genomes from Turkey, Greece, and other parts of SE Europe from the Neolithic period. These represent descendants of the first farmers to colonize Europe from the Near East.
STEPPE CULTURES 39.1%
- KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)8.2%
- This cluster is based on ancient genomes from the Karasuk culture, supplemented with two Iron-Age Eastern Scythian samples. The Karasuk percentage should be interpreted as a diffusion of DNA from the Eastern Eurasian Steppe populations post Bronze Age, via Turkic expansions, as well as more subtle diffusions via NE Caucasus populations.
- ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)16.1%
- The Andronovo culture, which are believed to have aided in the spread of Indo_European languages, is a collection of similar local Bronze Age cultures that flourished around 3000-4000 years ago in western Siberia and the west Asiatic steppe. This culture overlapped with the Srubna culture in the Volga-Ural region of Russia.
- YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)14.9%
- Believed to be among the first Indo-European language speakers. The Yamnaya genetically appear to be a fusion between the Eastern European Hunter Gatherers that inhabited the western Siberian steppe, and a populations from the Caucasus region. Descendants of the Yamnaya would later change the genetic substructure of indigenous Neolithic Europeans via invasions of Europe from the Eurasian steppe.
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)12.7%
- These were the indiginous populations of Europe that substantially contributed to the genetics of modern Europeans. It is believed that these hunter gatherers arrived in Europe around 45000 years ago from the Near East.
0.0% results African, Eastern Non-African, or Southeast Eurasian
3% Kurdish came up in my LivingDNA results so a 3.5% Kurdistan above seems like the mystery is solved.
For comparisons and about me, see my LivingDNA thread: http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34376-Living-DNA-results-and-comparison
Hmmm, what will you get when you pull Neolithic Iran/CHG genes from Yamnaya-Afansievo? What's left is pure EHG genes, not the BA Steppe Culture. You can't measure Yamnaya without Iran/CHG in it!My results after today's update:
1. Ancient Farmers & Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers - 49.9 %, including:
a) South-Eastern European Farmers - 29.0 %
b) Iberian (West European) Farmers - 9.7 %
c) Neolithic and Bronze Age Levant - 2.8 %
c) CHG and Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran - 8.4 %
2. Steppe Cultures - 27.3 %, including:
a) Andronovo and Srubnaya - 10.1 %
b) Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 9.2 %
c) Karasuk and Scytho-Sarmatians - 8.0 %
3. Western European and Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers - 22.8 %
http://i.imgur.com/WcLFuYm.png
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