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    New branch: T1a3b. Found among the Khans of Kalat

    Who say that a Royal lineage has to be numerous? This is one of the clearest examples of Royalty belonging to a extremely rare lineage.

    The Khans of Kalat belonged to a Baloch hill chieftain named Qambar (or Qumbar). His tribe was hired by Sehwa, the Raja of Kalat, a Hindu princely state, to protect against marauding tribes from the Multan, Shikarpur and Upper Sind areas. Mir Qambar Baloch and his troops successfully repressed the incursion, but afterward, they deposed the raja and Mir Qambar Baloch became the first Vali.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_of_Kalat

    T1a3b has not been found among non-royal Baloch yet.

    Updated: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-M184_tree.png
    Last edited by Alpenjager; 14-09-17 at 16:49.

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    Baloch people
    Balochi language, which is one of the Western Iranian languages, the original homeland of the Balochi tribes was likely to the east or southeast of the central Caspian region. The Baloch began migrating towards the east in the late Sasanian period. The cause of the migration is unknown but may have been as a result of the generally unstable conditions in the Caspian area. The migrations occurred over several centuries.[17]

    Balochs are ancient Medes,
    Great Medes are descendants of Yafas (یافث) son of Hazrat Nooh (AS) .Baloch and Kurds are descendants of Great Medes. The History of Baloch,Racially who are Kurds due to their military crest of cocks comb, which in old persian and kurdish language is called Balose (Baloch).The name of balose was given to Kurds of Balochistan by sassanid Empirein in 667 AD later it became Baloch.They migrated to ancient Balochistan (Turan and Makran) in 855 BC when the Maad Kurd Cheif Kaikobad established his empire in Media and persia.afterwards defeated Afrasiyab the King of the Empire of Turan.

    T ydna has Median roots ( Medes )
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    What does all this mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrician View Post
    What does all this mean?
    It means that post#1 has found another branch of T
    there are basically 4 main branches of haplogroup T ydna

    T1a1
    T1a2
    T1a3
    T2

    The branches are as different as R1a and R1b
    What branch are you in?
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    T1a1, what can you tell me about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrician View Post
    T1a1, what can you tell me about it?
    yfull team have only found this marker ( PF7444 ) in Sardinia, Morocco, Spain and England
    I suggest you search the net yourself

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    Alpenjager,

    I recently took the T-M184 SNP Pack test and I tested positive for CTS8489 but negative for CTS8862.
    Up to now they were considered "equals" and I am to understand that this is not known to have occurred before.
    How would this work into your Phylogenetic tree?....which is a work of art, by the way.

    I also tested negative for Y17493 and "presumed negative" for Z19945 and CTS1848.

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    Alpenjager,

    The furthest back on my CTS11984 line I have gotten is my 2nd great grandfather, Patrick Walsh, born 1818 in Co. Carlow, Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    Who say that a Royal lineage has to be numerous? This is one of the clearest examples of Royalty belonging to a extremely rare lineage.

    The Khans of Kalat belonged to a Baloch hill chieftain named Qambar (or Qumbar). His tribe was hired by Sehwa, the Raja of Kalat, a Hindu princely state, to protect against marauding tribes from the Multan, Shikarpur and Upper Sind areas. Mir Qambar Baloch and his troops successfully repressed the incursion, but afterward, they deposed the raja and Mir Qambar Baloch became the first Vali.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_of_Kalat

    T1a3b has not been found among non-royal Baloch yet.

    Updated: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-M184_tree.png
    @Alpenjager, what is the source that reports T1a3b among the Khans of Kalat as you have in this tree? Also, I had another question about T1a3-Y13279 reported for the Kangju DA125 sample - how was that Y-DNA designation determined (if you know)?... because the original paper did not report its Y-DNA halpogroup.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huracan View Post
    @Alpenjager, what is the source that reports T1a3b among the Khans of Kalat as you have in this tree? Also, I had another question about T1a3-Y13279 reported for the Kangju DA125 sample - how was that Y-DNA designation determined (if you know)?... because the original paper did not report its Y-DNA halpogroup.
    Thanks
    Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )

    DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
    Kurgan:
    Object:
    Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
    mtDNA: U2e2a1
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -16,1 / 11,9
    Subsistence: Nomadic - Pastoral
    Language: Indo-European
    Coverage: 0,212
    Other IDs: IS6 / Lab. UBA-31227 / CGG_2_016123
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM

    from
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Where is the link to the specific article? MY Grandfather Y Haplogroup is T1a3b2a1b.YFULL link:T-Y13290 Id:YF6261

    he is chinese ,dungane(Hui nationality),I want to know more information about this article, please tell me。

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