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    What on earth has happened to anthrogenica?

    I honestly can't believe it. This is a site where Jean Manco posts, and some archaeologists. Do they only look at the ancient dna section, as I occasionally do, and have no idea what's going on elsewhere?

    It's truly un-freaking-believable. Why don't they just change the name to theapricity 2 or forumbiodiversity 2?

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    looks like a highly intellectual conversion...

    I'm happy I decided to come to this site before any of those others.

    Well, other than the 2 posts I made on forumbiodiversity a while ago. I was looking for a place to discuss my DNA test results. I didn't know about it's reputation.

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    It's not that bad, it's boring and ****** do flock there, but it's no storm front or apricity

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    Well, it got too bad even for the new anthrogenica: they shut down the thread.

    Next step should be to permanently ban "Tz85". If they can't recognize a "Sikeliot/Portuguese Princess/Clementina" sock or associate, like him or "Claudio", for example, by "voice" and constant insertion of his well known obsessions, than how can they keep a site respectable?

    They're either living in la-la land or some of them are complicit and let it go until called on it.

    Not that we don't get forays from these rejects here, but we try our best to rein them in, or, when they go too far, ban them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, it got too bad even for the new anthrogenica: they shut down the thread.

    Next step should be to permanently ban "Tz85". If they can't recognize a "Sikeliot/Portuguese Princess/Clementina" sock or associate, like him or "Claudio", for example, by "voice" and constant insertion of his well known obsessions, than how can they keep a site respectable?

    They're either living in la-la land or some of them are complicit and let it go until called on it.

    Not that we don't get forays from these rejects here, but we try our best to rein them in, or, when they go too far, ban them.
    That's good that they finally closed it. Some people are really mentally disturbed it seems. Thankfully, this place can identify toxic elements in the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Well, it got too bad even for the new anthrogenica: they shut down the thread.

    Next step should be to permanently ban "Tz85". If they can't recognize a "Sikeliot/Portuguese Princess/Clementina" sock or associate, like him or "Claudio", for example, by "voice" and constant insertion of his well known obsessions, than how can they keep a site respectable?

    They're either living in la-la land or some of them are complicit and let it go until called on it.

    Not that we don't get forays from these rejects here, but we try our best to rein them in, or, when they go too far, ban them.
    "Sikeliot/Portuguese Princess/Clementina/curiouscat
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    What's fascinating is how much time he devotes to posting gedmatch results of Sicilians or trying to sell everyone in on his theories without using any reputable source to back himself up, it's all through stealing gedmatch results from random people he's never met and posting them online. Does he ever tire of this?

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    And you know a forum is going downhill when it starts getting members who panic about getting a small percentage of "non-white" such as Oceanian.

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    Are you all surprised? Americans have a fixation about race and "whiteness".

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    Are you all surprised? Americans have a fixation about race and "whiteness".
    Where do you think they got it? The Americans who established slavery in the U.S. and then passed all those laws about one drop of "Negro" blood making you "Negro" were all people with ancestry from Britain or Spain or France or Holland. They didn't come from the moon!

    The politicization and standardization of it, even for sub-types of Europeans, started with the British in the 19th century and was perfected by Germans, who made Slavs sub-humans who were next on the chopping block after they were done with Jews and gypsies. From what I read it is now a growing phenomenon particularly in Eastern Europe, yes? On another thread we're discussing South Africa and their insane gyrations as to how to determine "whiteness" and thus civil rights under apartheid.

    It's not fair to lay this only at the door of Americans. Plus, people on sites like theapricity, who also used to post here, were Poles, Russians, Spaniards, Italian etc. It's a virus that knows no national boundaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    Are you all surprised? Americans have a fixation about race and "whiteness".
    Not that much as Polish people, seeing themselves as guardians of white race and christian faith. To protect the perfect race and true faith. Not only it borders with racial fascism but it goes against Christ's teachings, what it means to be a christian. Extreme tribalism.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    Are you all surprised? Americans have a fixation about race and "whiteness".
    How many Americans do you know? I know tons, so I know that's false as a general statement goes. Aside from vocal SJW's at liberal arts college, it's not a topic of conversation or interest among most Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    Are you all surprised? Americans have a fixation about race and "whiteness".
    Not all Americans... many of us could care less

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    American and Western European fixation about race comes from superiority complex, after all - extreme racism was born in Western Europe. As you may know, Poles were the subject of the said racism for many centuries. It's no wonder that they're xenophobic and want to preserve their country in the ethnic state it was meant to be. By being thrown under Germanisation and Rusification machine, Poles found comfort and preservation of their "Polishness" in Catholic faith and the church, which was largely involved in bringing Polack back from the dead.
    Poland didn't hold any significant colonies and wasn't part of the slavery deal. Blacks were used as slaves by West Europeans and Americans and it should be their burden to make it square to them. I don't like what you're doing here LeBrok, it seems like you hold some grudge towards the Poles. I would like to know when did Poles ever claim to be ultra-white Nordic Aryans getting rid of Slavic asiatic trash from the world to make living space for the true Western European masterrace? You know who did? The Germans.
    But I feel like that's an offtop, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    American and Western European fixation about race comes from superiority complex, after all - extreme racism was born in Western Europe. As you may know, Poles were the subject of the said racism for many centuries. It's no wonder that they're xenophobic and want to preserve their country in the ethnic state it was meant to be. By being thrown under Germanisation and Rusification machine, Poles found comfort and preservation of their "Polishness" in Catholic faith and the church, which was largely involved in bringing Polack back from the dead.
    Poland didn't hold any significant colonies and wasn't part of the slavery deal. Blacks were used as slaves by West Europeans and Americans and it should be their burden to make it square to them. I don't like what you're doing here LeBrok, it seems like you hold some grudge towards the Poles. I would like to know when did Poles ever claim to be ultra-white Nordic Aryans getting rid of Slavic asiatic trash from the world to make living space for the true Western European masterrace? You know who did? The Germans.
    But I feel like that's an offtop, isn't it?
    I have a better perspective than many, living now in the West and growing up in Poland. I can unequivocally say, that there is bigger racism and phobia of the world, of the different races, cultures and religions in Poland, and in Eastern Europe in general, than in the West, US included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I have a better perspective than many, living now in the West and growing up in Poland. I can unequivocally say, that there is bigger racism and phobia of the world, of the different races, cultures and religions in Poland, and in Eastern Europe in general, than in the West, US included.
    I've made a few friends from Poland during my summer vacations in Albania and I noticed that they paid attention to physical characteristics a lot. They continuously pointed out and asked me if I'm sure that the children playing on the beach or staying in our hotel and nearby residences were Albanian due to the very high amount of light eyes.


    I had to reassure them that although some speak English, German, Italian, Greek, or Swedish, their parents are indeed Albanian. It was very strange for them.


    As for Anthrogenica, I joined there recently to ask questions on genetics and I have to say that so far is the friendliest forum I've seen. Here there are many reputable posters but mostly inactive unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatis View Post
    I've made a few friends from Poland during my summer vacations in Albania and I noticed that they paid attention to physical characteristics a lot. They continuously pointed out and asked me if I'm sure that the children playing on the beach or staying in our hotel and nearby residences were Albanian due to the very high amount of light eyes.

    I had to reassure them that although some speak English, German, Italian, Greek, or Swedish, their parents are indeed Albanian. It was very strange for them.


    As for Anthrogenica, I joined there recently to ask questions on genetics and I have to say that so far is the friendliest forum I've seen. Here there are many reputable posters but mostly inactive unfortunately.

    Yea I feel Anthrogenica has its "apricity like" sections, but it does have well educated discussions. Apricity became too toxic. I post sparingly. Well majority of us Albanians are closer to Italians and Greeks in complexion etc. It shouldn't matter if someone is dark or light. Its evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I have a better perspective than many, living now in the West and growing up in Poland. I can unequivocally say, that there is bigger racism and phobia of the world, of the different races, cultures and religions in Poland, and in Eastern Europe in general, than in the West, US included.
    Would you prefer that the east-central/eastern countries were like Sweden instead? A country so welcoming to others that areas/cities are becoming 3rd world ghettos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rewind View Post
    Would you prefer that the east-central/eastern countries were like Sweden instead? A country so welcoming to others that areas/cities are becoming 3rd world ghettos.
    It is not black and white issue. I would prefer they did it right. Don't take all the emigrants as they come. Take the once who better fit your system of political, economic and especially your social values and rights. Host country will be happier with them and they will be happier and more successful citizens too. Canada does this job much better, though not perfect either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rewind View Post
    Would you prefer that the east-central/eastern countries were like Sweden instead? A country so welcoming to others that areas/cities are becoming 3rd world ghettos.
    Hi,

    1.) Do you now live or have you ever lived in Sweden?

    2.) I have personally seen the Turkish "ghettos" in Austria and things have gotten worse since the migrant crisis;I don't know why you mentioned Sweden as opposed to the "3rd world ghetto" you yourself inhabit.

    3.) Having said that, Sweden is not now, nor will it ever be, a 3rd world ghetto. It's true that Sweden has done what many other nations derelict in their duties to the European Union have not done and have been greatly strained because of it. But we've had enough and are making the necessary changes. Trust me on that one. Many are fed up with the unending stream of refugees ill-equipped for life here (a fair amount of whom have little to no education, no prospects, are resistant to our culture and values, and are backwards and criminally inclined). Refugees in Sweden now only receive temporary residence permits with less financial assistance, while the right to family reunification is restricted. We've also stepped up border controls, doubling the number of officers patrolling the southern coast, where most refugees arrive.

    4.) But it's not the asylum seekers I hold most responsible for this, it's other EU nations that refuse to pull their weight and thusly, should be punished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust View Post
    Hi,
    1.) Do you now live or have you ever lived in Sweden?
    2.) I have personally seen the Turkish "ghettos" in Austria and things have gotten worse since the migrant crisis;I don't know why you mentioned Sweden as opposed to the "3rd world ghetto" you yourself inhabit.
    3.) Having said that, Sweden is not now, nor will it ever be, a 3rd world ghetto. It's true that Sweden has done what many other nations derelict in their duties to the European Union have not done and have been greatly strained because of it. But we've had enough and are making the necessary changes. Trust me on that one. Many are fed up with the unending stream of refugees ill-equipped for life here (a fair amount of whom have little to no education, no prospects, are resistant to our culture and values, and are backwards and criminally inclined). Refugees in Sweden now only receive temporary residence permits with less financial assistance, while the right to family reunification is restricted. We've also stepped up border controls, doubling the number of officers patrolling the southern coast, where most refugees arrive.
    4.) But it's not the asylum seekers I hold most responsible for this, it's other EU nations that refuse to pull their weight and thusly, should be punished.
    I don't see why other countries should be punished.
    2 years ago many European countries, Sweden first kept a naive open border policy.
    Other countries, mainly Eastern European didn't.
    I'm glad Sweden and other countries learned from their mistakes and changed policy.
    But in the mean time a lot of harm has been done.
    Many immigrants dissapeared in illegality.
    And for many others it will be a very long and costfull procedure to sent them back to the countries they came from.
    A minority are genuine refugees and it remains to be seen how many of them will be capable to adapt and integrate in their host countries.
    Most of them haven't yet. They lack the proper skills and it remains to be seen how much they are prepared to change and learn.
    They should have been screened and selected at the European borders instead of letting everybody in.
    Now you think that those who made that mistake should punish the countries that didn't want to make that mistake?
    First admit the mistakes that were made 2 years ago and then see how the burdens can and should be shared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust View Post
    Having said that, Sweden is not now, nor will it ever be, a 3rd world ghetto.
    You'll get red-pilled sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    American and Western European fixation about race comes from superiority complex, after all - extreme racism was born in Western Europe.
    I would agree there is a Western European superiority complex ingrained in America. It's easy to imagine how it came about. After 1600, western Europeans dominated the world including America and were indeed in many ways "superior." Western European had always included Spain and Italy but they were later taken out of the category when Britain, America, and Germany became the biggest powers.

    I think there's a lot of truth to America's concept of western culture, western Europe, and whiteness but there's some inaccuracies. Like I don't know how accurate the "Northwest European" genetic category is. Germanic speaking English, Germans, and Norse definitky have common ancestry. But the Swedes for example probably have as much in common with Poles as they do with Irish.

    Quote Originally Posted by twójstary View Post
    Poland didn't hold any significant colonies and wasn't part of the slavery deal. Blacks were used as slaves by West Europeans and Americans and it should be their burden to make it square to them.
    Before 1970 Poles would have taken this as an insult. Anyone with the power took part in the colonial and slavery game. You know Poland would have done it if they could.

    I don't support colonialism or slavery. I'm a nice guy but it's a doggy dog world. Unless you want your country to be dirt, you have to miss treat people of other nations.

    Also, while we should condemn past colonialism we shouldn't feel guilty because our countries did well. When I say condemn I mean it. We literally did replace Native Americans, we literally did put millions of Africans through hell.

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    It seems you've become a bit more nuanced in some of your perspectives and I appreciate this--it's a sign of greater, more balanced intelligence. But in life there is always a quibble to be had...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Haired14 View Post
    I'm a nice guy but it's a doggy dog world. Unless you want your country to be dirt, you have to miss treat people of other nations.
    This is overly simplistic, egregiously cynical, needlessly nihilistic and patently untrue. And I say this as a hardcore INTJ who instinctively tends more towards tribalism at best, misanthropy at worst, and the type of cold rational logic usually restricted to aspies and psychopaths. lol

    For me, being fair, just, ecumenical, humanitarian, cooperative, and compassionate has nothing to do with pesky feelings or being “good” in some morally masturbatory religious sense; it’s all based on strategy and practicality, namely to promote peace, harmony and good will in order to avoid mutually assured destruction (which, again, innately, I sometimes think might be for the best because the cretinous and peonic masses don’t deserve this magnificent planet but at the same time, I’m more curious than nihilistic and would like to see how this relatively recent human experiment works out, at least while I’m still around lol).

    Honestly, I (cognitively understand and recognize sadness, compassion and pity rather well but) emotively feel little to nothing when I give to the homeless, donate time and money to charities/non-profits, and endorse policies bent on “leveling the scales”; emotionally, I don’t relate to the “bleeding hearts” of the world; I simply see these gestures as necessary evils of sorts. Most humans respond in kind to good will, which only engenders more good will and most importantly, peace, balance and stability. If the police respect the people, the people will respect, assist and the not resist the police. If the corporations respect the people, the people will work harder for the corporations and increase productivity. If an occupying military doesn’t wantonly murder, rape and pillage the occupied, there will be less bloody retaliation and generations long vendettas that only perpetuate more paranoia/reality based bloodshed. IT’S SO SIMPLE. Giving into base, primitive instincts only acts as a devolving agent for humanity. I am proof positive that one can be inclined towards a certain fascistic, starkly right leaning worldview and ideology but resist them on the practical grounds of harmony (which is the only viable option once the alluringly pragmatic notions of mass, systematic extermination and annihilation are taken off the table)—as you can see, I am, in execution, a liberal (though idealistically, a centrist) but there is no "bleeding heart" attached.

    Throughout history, there were always progressive voices far ahead of their times who decried the worst evils, systems and institutions of their day, while the primitive, imbecilic masses were slow to catch up—that being the case, I get how the atrocities and injustices that happened, happened, and to a very limited degree, can tolerate the “they lived in different times” narratives. But I’m a firm believer in “when you know better, do better.” And any logical, thinking person (that wants to live in relative peace) should be able to look at history, notice some pretty glaring patterns, and conclude that there are better ways to establish a prosperous, successful, more stable world order that don’t include unbridled sociopathy and callousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust View Post
    IT’S SO SIMPLE. Giving into base, primitive instincts only acts as a devolving agent for humanity. I am proof positive that one can be inclined towards a certain fascistic, starkly right leaning worldview and ideology but resist them on the practical grounds of harmony (which is the only viable option once the alluringly pragmatic notion of mass, systematic extermination and annihilation are taken off the table)—as you can see, I am, in execution, a liberal (though idealistically, a centrist) but there is no "bleeding heart" attached.
    Thanks for opening. I did a similar journey myself, with starting point being mildly conservative and religious person. That's by nurture, and later by means of understanding, becoming pragmatic liberal.

    Throughout history, there were always progressive voices far ahead of their times who decried the worst evils, systems and institutions of their day, while the primitive, imbecilic masses were slow to catch up—that being the case, I get how the atrocities and injustices that happened, happened and to a very limited degree, can tolerate the “they were different times” narratives. But I’m a firm believer in “when you know better, do better.” And any logical, thinking person (that wants to live in relative peace) should be able to look at history, notice some pretty glaring patterns, and conclude that there are better ways to establish a prosperous, successful, more stable world order that doesn’t include unbridled sociopathy and callousness.
    Ah, if we could just find the way to explained this to roughly 6 billion people who still live with their heads deep in their tribal arses. Might need to wait for generation of smart designer babies coming off the production line. ;)

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