Mich Glitch
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I suppose J2 arrived here through greek people during the byzantine period, is this right?
Is j2b1 connected to people like the Assyrian or Carthaginians or Hittites, and through them it arrived in Anatolia and Greece?
My dante labs sample just got posted on yfull Analysis still in progress :annoyed:
It's the first palestinian sample under YP-13 and currently labeled YP-13*
Can you add more middle eastern to your map, it is definitely out of date.
The almost complete lack of j2b m205 in albanians yet j2b-l283 being strong shows that it is foreign for the country and probably recent, also it seems there are more south albanians (~1%) with this than north albanians (almost non existant) yet north albanians have much more l283 than south albanians.
The big amount (still minor) in serbia is interesting, as well as Bosnia, Croatia
This branch(J2-M205) seems to bypass Albanian area and Albanians in a higher percentage.
Possibly this is migration of Vlachs from direction of Bulgaria or Romania to Bosnia and Croatia.
I've talked about this before, for now YFull tree does not shows mutations with a source in the Albanian area nor in Montenegro. Unfortunately Bulgarian mutations(Y22059) are not on the YFull tree, so we cannot prove this direction of migration either, but this branch is more widespread there (Bulgaria).
What branch? All branches are under J2-M205. Do you mean Y22059 that you wrote below?
Read my upper post, stop posting nonsense. Albanians have J2-M205 from North to South in multiple branches, including Y22059.
Balkan Vlachs (including Albanian Vlachs, Serbian Vlachs, Romanian Vlachs, Greece Vlachs) have been already tested. Also there was also major Aromun/Vlach study (Bosch et al 2006). In entire Bosch et al 2006 there was only one Vlach J2-M205 sample and he was from Albania. Also his only relative is Albanian from Albania, also Greek and Sicilian. J2-M205 has no connection whatsoever to Vlachs but to Early Civilizations of Mesopotamia.
Bulgarians have very few samples of J2-M205, also J2-M205>Y22059. It is really insignificant in Bulgaria. Also Bulgaria was melting point of many populations so even if we find it there it has no big meaning. Its still a Balkan.
Y22059 neither J2-M205 is not more widespread in Bulgaria. Dont speak nonsense and misinformation.
Y22059/Y22066 is M205+, PF7321+, CTS1969+, YP51+ with closest relatives in Middle East and Mediterranean Europe but with separation time about 5000 years before present.
You do understand that more then 95 % of Albanian J2b-L283 falls under PH1751 with TMRCA 1200 years, do you? .
From what I see on our results document there are 159 samples that fall under L283, 77 of which are PH1751+. This would mean that ~48% of Albanian J-L283 is PH1751+. The second largest cluster is Y23094+ at ~17.6%. There are also other clades under Z631 and CTS11100 which are below 10%.If you would just do some basic math, out of the current 142 or AI samples only 72 of them are PH1751. Of course it is a monumental cluster that dominates. But you added 45 percent to that number which is completely false.
From what I see on our results document there are 159 samples that fall under L283, 77 of which are PH1751+. This would mean that ~48% of Albanian J-L283 is PH1751+. The second largest cluster is Y23094+ at ~17.6%. There are also other clades under Z631 and CTS11100 which are below 10%.
Yes and? Bulgarians and Romanians also have it.
I'm talking about branch Y22059.
Not all branches of J2, E1b, R1b in the Balkans are Albanian origin and originating in the Albanian area.
If you have proof that branch Y22059 has source in Albania and Albanians then bring that evidence to the sun(I mean a 1000 year old mutation) and I will respect that. So far there is no such evidence and I have not seen it.
Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia as well as some Croats, Bosniaks etc have branch Y22059 and they are also mentioned as Vlachs(historical records). That branch mostly have Serbs. Thus branch Y22059 have connection and with Vlachs.
I look at public data and so far there are most Bulgarians and people from Croatia with that branch.
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J2-M172?iframe=ymap
For now these connection with Bulgaria exist, when more specific genetic data arrives in the future then we will make more accurate conclusion.
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