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Thread: Y-DNA H2 Haplogroup

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    H2 P96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwyjibo78 View Post
    I am from the SW of England and I have Y H2 P96. My Father's side of the family can only be reliably be traced back to 1600s in Gloucestershire.
    Hello Kwyjibo78,
    Glad to see another Y H2 P-96 in the UK, There is not a great deal of information about this as it is a rare Haplogroup and its origins are confusing in my opinion, as you will gather from looking on this forum.
    Eupedia is a good source of information but we will have to await developments. Have a look on the FTDNA Y H, site and the FTDNA Haplotree, for more information.

    I think over the next few years things should become a lot clearer regarding how it got to the UK, and when, as Genetics is taking off in a big way, also with so many ancient sources being re-tested, and more people today taking DNA tests. Its just a matter of time before the major jigsaw pieces are fitted correctly.

    regards Paul.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Hi Kwyjibo78, I'm H-p96 too. The origins of my male line are a little confused (due to conflicting information on census records) but Gloucestershire is a strong possibility. Hopefully, at some point we'll be able to see how distantly we are all related.

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    Hm, pretty interesting







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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    There is a 'SNP Tracker' tool now available regarding the FTDNA Y results.

    I put all the Y H2 P.96 downstream subclades, that are showing on the FTDNA Y H2 haplotree branch, and all with one exception indicated a location connection with Sweden during the Neolithic/Bronze age's. It also confirmed P96 itself, was ancestral to descendant movements to the same area,s

    The only exception was with one of two Armenian Y H2 references, one with H2 Z15373, indicated a medieval result in Turkey/Anatolia area, but the other also indicating an older presence in the same area Z19080, but did also show descendants to Sweden.

    There were 15, Y H2 with downstream subclades to H2 P.96, and '14' were all linked to or from Sweden', with only 1 ( Armenian 'medieval', H2b1, with snp Z15373 ) with no link.

    All the other Y H2 entries, shared a link/connection to Sweden during the Neolithic/Bronze age's, with the main linking snp being SK1182. The information also shows descendants from this location spreading further into Europe from Sweden.

    In using this tool it is indicating a route into the UK, and other European countries as far North with Neolithic Sweden, of the Y H2 haplogroup, from at least the Late Neolithic and Bronze age, as the following and others show. H2 BY37186, H2 BY37188, and H2 Y21630.

    If this new information can be confirmed, it shows that Y H2, was present during the, Funnel beaker culture, Battle Axe culture, and the Nordic Bronze age culture periods, in Sweden, and Spread from there to parts of wider Europe, and beyond, reaching the UK, at least during the early medieval period.

    If this information is confirmed, it would also reflect my autosomal results, which indicated Scandinavian, and Finnish Ancestry, along side with the Netherlands. ( Netherlands, was later turned to German/French )

    Incidently I put in another Positive SNP ( Y H2 M9313 ) that is indicating a downstream subclade of Y H2a1, but this came up as a differing haplogroup completely 'I2a2a - L801' through to CTS1977, and Y5282, but supprisingly also showing the same area's of the Nordic Bronze Age (1700-500 BC ).??
    Last edited by paul333; 06-05-19 at 14:51.

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    If using the SNP Tracker, there is two, and the one I feel was more informative, and easier to understand is the one from Robert Spencer. SNP Tracker - Scaled Innovation.
    Last edited by paul333; 02-05-19 at 11:50.

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    Y-DNA haplogroup
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    Is it possible Y H2 could be the Haplogroup of the early Angles, even the famous Wuffingas of Sutton Hoo, East Anglia, descended from the Scyldings, Geats and Swedes of Vastergotland, Uppsala and Vendel etc of Sweden.

    Wishfull thinking, but a recent set of Information now available is seemingly confirming a movement from a Swedish Ancestral Homeland, to the UK during the early Anglo-Saxon Migration period, of the 5th/6th centuries. The Y H2 SNP, FGC31857 and BY37188, are showing an ancestral descent from locations in Sweden, via Y H2 SK1182, through the continent, Y H2 21630, to England arriving 1700-1500 years before the present, ie living in UK from at least around the year AD 300-500.

    The SNP information shows for the first time Y H2 in the UK and where it originally came from.

    The SNP path clearly shows that Y H2 was in the UK. The Roman period ( FGC31857 ), 1,700,years ago could possibly relate to the early references to Germanic Roman Feoderatie, in the UK, or a presence during the very early Anglo-Saxon Migration period to the UK, supported by the other 1,500 years ago ( BY37188 ).

    Food for thought.

    This information is looking as though it will be correct, and will raise a lot of questions about its earlier Haplogroup identification.?
    Last edited by paul333; 04-05-19 at 14:36.

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    Further Y H2 Confusion.
    A recent report on Mesolithic remains in Norway,( PLOS, pub 9th Jan 2018 ) regarding two separate area's of excavation at, Steigen in the North of Norway, and Hummervikholmen, in the South of Norway, indicated that Y DNA findings from these are possible ancestral to CTS1977, Y I2a2a1b2a1, as I understand.

    In my living Y DNA results I am showing positive for SNP M9313. The SNP Tracker is indicating M9313, is also representing Haplogroup Y CTS 1977, Y 'I2a2a1b2a1', Yet SNP M9313 is also seemingly referencing Y H2a1,on ISOGG 2019 Y DNA, also ??, can a SNP represent two entirely separate and completely different Y Haplogroups ?.

    There is also a reference for the SNP M9313, on the YFull Tree SNP reference for haplogroup N, at N-F2905, age formed 18000 ybp, and mainly ancestral origins to Chinese, Z3754/Z4933/M9313, with only one European reference relating to Poland, N Y-15965. ? with TMRCA 550ybp. I entered this SNP Y 15965, into the SNP Tracker, and it showed up in Paleolithic 'Sweden ' to L-735 ??.

    So far the SNP M9313 is associated with three separate 'Y' Haplogroups, Y-H2a1, I-2a2a1b2a1, and N.

    All the above M9313 SNP associates are connected, by indicating, and including an early location, to Northern Europe, and Sweden.

    There is yet another SNP M9313, reference, to haplogroup Y D1b, under the M64 grouping, associated with a location in Neolithic, China, ( ISOGG 2019 this indicates a next-generation sequencing entry, that does not yet match the quality guidlines for the minimum number of reads ).

    In trying to find out how Y H2 P96, got to the UK, Im finding more confusing information, that is not reflecting a route from the Indian associated area's where its earlier traditional origins were believed to have came from. Is Y H2 the correct identity ?? the more I look the more confusion I find, what is going on with the SNP M9313, attachment to Y H2, etc ??.
    Last edited by paul333; 08-05-19 at 13:50.

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