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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Maybe, but they speak a similar Pugliese dialect (of Neapolitan), clearly distinct from the Salentino dialect (of Sicilian). There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.

    I see, at any rate, I'll gladly participate in the project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I see, at any rate, I'll gladly participate in the project.
    Does regionalization go live at the same time matching is suspected to(mid 2018)? If we tested LivingDNA we would automatically be included given all 4 grandparents are from the same region?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Does regionalization go live at the same time matching is suspected to(mid 2018)? If we tested LivingDNA we would automatically be included given all 4 grandparents are from the same region?
    I'm not sure, I'm still waiting on my DNA results to upload to the project.

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    I'm omitted, and both of my parents are omitted. gg grands for me and ggrands (and earlier) from my parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I'm not sure, I'm still waiting on my DNA results to upload to the project.
    Where would we see if its uploaded to the project? I assume my parents and myself were accepted, got through account creation and uploaded their raw data successfully. now with ETC for the 29th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Where would we see if its uploaded to the project? I assume my parents and myself were accepted, got through account creation and uploaded their raw data successfully. now with ETC for the 29th.
    Sorry but I don't know. To clarify, I'm stilling waiting on my 23andme results, which I plan on uploading the raw data when I receive it. I haven't even attempted to upload anything to the project as of yet.

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    my 23andme v3 file i tried to use failed, and my ftdna one i used worked..........i am due 30 Oct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Maybe, but they speak a similar Pugliese dialect (of Neapolitan), clearly distinct from the Salentino dialect (of Sicilian). There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.
    thanks
    looking at the map , I initially thought it was a bit wrong, but I am mistaken
    my paternal line as well as my wife's paternal line both site in Veneto Ve3
    my mothers line in Veneto Ve4
    and mother in law line in Veneto Ve2

    going back to the 15th century then my paternal line was in TR next to Mocheno

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    Once joining LivingDna, are you automatically part of the project of the country you are from or does one need to apply?
    I cannot see where I can become part of the Italy project

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    Living DNA launching One Family One World Project in cooperation with Eupedia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Once joining LivingDna, are you automatically part of the project of the country you are from or does one need to apply?
    I cannot see where I can become part of the Italy project
    Try this Link:
    https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-...ch/italy/apply

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    This is awesome I hope they get enough Slovak samples, I doubt it though since there are so little on forums or who take DNA tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.
    It's allowable for "mutts". The One World has two separate ideas:

    • To build a genetic family tree of everyone from around the world, regardless of where your family comes from.
    • To build a regional genetic breakdown of ancestry within countries, similar to ’The Peopling of the British Isles project’. This part of the project is looking for people with all four grandparents born within 80km (50miles) of each other.

    What seems to be omitted are people with unknown ancestry of parents/grandparents.





    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    I'm mixed, would they still accept me? I've never been tested, but I'd like to know in case I do.

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    Congrats Maciamo, amazing job! And count me in (I already joined the Polish Project, my grandparents are born within 80 km of each other, so I qualify to the regional part of the Project).

    Also good job with dividing Poland into regions. But I suggest some changes, and increasing the number of regions from 11 to 15. I made this map (thanks mlukas and Rethel for your advice):

    Map (I made it in GIMP): https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png



    ^^^ 15 regions in total for Poland:

    - Pomerania
    - Kashubia (or Pomerelia, if you prefer this name)
    - Northern Poland*
    - Oberland (Upper Prussia, Prusy Górne; west part of East Prussia)
    - Warmia-Masuria**
    - Sudovia-Podlachia (Sudovia is too small to be its own thing)
    - Neumark (or East Brandenburg, if you prefer)
    - Greater Poland
    - Central Poland (or Sieradz-Leczyca if you prefer)
    - Masovia (Mazovia)
    - Lower Silesia (historically as far north as Crossen-Schwiebus)
    - Upper Silesia (including Cieszyn, Syców & Namysłów regions)
    - Polish Mountains
    - Lesser Poland
    - Red Ruthenia

    *Includes 11 smaller regions: Kuyavia, Krajna, Dobrzyn Land, Chelmno Land, Tuchola Forests, Kociewie, Powisle, Lubawa Land, Kosznajderia, Free City Danzig (Gdańsk), Żuławy (Malbork-Elbląg area).

    **Includes entire Masuria but only southern half of Warmia, with Polish-speaking Warmiaks.

    Borders of regions are drawn - with just 1 or 2 exceptions - based on 1900 borders of counties. I can send you blank maps with borders of counties as of 1900 (the ones that I used in GIMP).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    thanks

    that's the one I was sent by living-dna when i registered ..............so it means I must be part of the project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    (...) Map (I made it in GIMP): https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png



    ^^^ 15 regions in total for Poland:

    - Pomerania
    - Kashubia (or Pomerelia, if you prefer this name)
    - Northern Poland*
    - Oberland (Upper Prussia, Prusy Górne; west part of East Prussia)
    - Warmia-Masuria**
    - Sudovia-Podlachia (Sudovia is too small to be its own thing)
    - Neumark (or East Brandenburg, if you prefer)
    - Greater Poland
    - Central Poland (or Sieradz-Leczyca if you prefer)
    - Masovia (Mazovia)
    - Lower Silesia (historically as far north as Crossen-Schwiebus)
    - Upper Silesia (including Cieszyn, Syców & Namysłów regions)
    - Polish Mountains
    - Lesser Poland
    - Red Ruthenia

    *Includes 11 smaller regions: Kuyavia, Krajna, Dobrzyn Land, Chelmno Land, Tuchola Forests, Kociewie, Powisle, Lubawa Land, Kosznajderia, Free City Danzig (Gdańsk), Żuławy (Malbork-Elbląg area).

    **Includes entire Masuria but only southern half of Warmia, with Polish-speaking Warmiaks.

    Borders of regions are drawn - with just 1 or 2 exceptions - based on 1900 borders of counties. I can send you blank maps with borders of counties as of 1900 (the ones that I used in GIMP).
    Compared to borders of administrative counties as of year 1900:

    https://i.imgur.com/A2UP9iJ.png


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    Will livingDNA data be updated if we already tested? Or do I still have to upload the file to participate?
    Log in to your LivingDNA account, then click Research on the left side of the page. The option to join will appear.

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    Maciamo if you also have influence on how Living DNA divides Germany into regions, then you can tell them that it would be good to have the island of Rügen as a separate region. That's because studies have shown that people of this island have specific distinct genetic differences from people in other parts of Germany.

    Actually, populations of Rügen, Ummanz and Hiddensee are all distinct from mainland populations:

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    24 haemogenetic markers (5 erythrocyte antigens, 7 polymorphisms of serum proteins, 12 polymorphisms of red cell enzymes) had been studied in 171 individuals from the island of Rügen (Germany, Baltic Sea). The cluster analysis separates clearly the Rügen sample just as the islands of Hiddensee and Ummanz from the neighbouring populations. The comparison of the data with neighboured larger populations as for instance Denmark, Hamburg or Sweden clearly results in an exceptional position of the island of Rügen. The possible reasons are discussed. (...)
    Maybe "Germany's Baltic Sea Islands" should be a region of its own?:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_Baltic_Sea

    Rügen - 926 km2 and 77,000 people
    Usedom (German part) - 373 km2 and 31,500 people
    Fehmarn - 185 km2 and 12,467 people
    Poel - 36 km2 and 2,497 people
    Hiddensee - 19 km2 and 1,002 people
    Ummanz - 20 km2 and 274 people
    ==========================
    Greifswalder Oie - small island near Usedom
    Dänholm - small island near Rügen
    Vilm - small island near Rügen
    Walfisch island - uninhabited
    Langenwerder - uninhabited
    Ruden - uninhabited
    ==========================
    Total population - 125,000 people

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    On GEDmatch, I found a German with 37.5% of ancestry from Rügen, but not anyone with 100%:

    GEDmatch kit: A687851
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    There are lots of regions in Europe and the Middle East that either are or were multi-ethnic (and remember that this Project is asking about birthplaces of grandparents and great-grandparents, so it will show the genetic landscape as it was a few generations ago).

    They should ask questions about identity as well, not just about geographical origins.

    What about Czechia for example - Sudetenland is not a separate region in their map.

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    I'm part of 2 Projects - Polish and German. But there are huge delays with German Project.

    I have 3 tests (I ordered a kit because I was told transfers were delayed until mid-2018):


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.

    I do understand that, but there are bound to be some distortions in a country like Italy given its sub-structure and demographic history.

    Unfortunately, as the map shows, political boundaries don't necessarily correlate with linguistic or "ethnic" boundaries.

    The Lunigiana (the far north-west "neck" of Toscana) speaks a variant of Emiliano (although influenced by both Tuscan and Ligurian), and most of it was part of Emilian fiefs until a hundred or so years ago, but it is now politically part of Tuscany.

    The so-called "Piedmont" sample used by academics doing pop gen research was taken from the Val Borbera which is now politically part of Piemonte. However, that's also a recent (last hundred years) development. The area was part of Liguria historically, as the town names indicate, and as the map shows they still speak Ligurian "dialects" there. Genetically, I would think they're actually "Ligurian", although this is an area where four provinces meet: Liguria, Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia.



    This is what happens when geneticists use samples that were drawn to study disease, not ancestry.

    Also, for any areas where there was migration from the south, ideally the person should have all great-grandparents from the location in question, otherwise the results won't be accurate. This is especially important if the testee is rather young. In La Spezia, for example, there was migration from the south starting in the late 1800s because of the shipyards. In the Trentino a lot of southern Italians were encouraged to migrate there quite early.

    Even Lazio is tricky. In part of it, the people are descendants of northern Italians who were moved there by Mussolini. On the other hand, part of Lazio used to be part of Campania.

    It's complicated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Maciamo if you also have influence on how Living DNA divides Germany into regions, then you can tell them that it would be good to have the island of Rügen as a separate region. That's because studies have shown that people of this island have specific distinct genetic differences from people in other parts of Germany.
    My cooperation with Living DNA started after they had launched the German Project. I would have divided the regions differently, with more emphasis on dialects, historical boundaries and haplogroup distribution rather than the modern political divide they chose. Anyway these maps are preliminary and will be adjusted based on the data from participants.
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    I have joined in it. I have put my ftdna results and m awaiting for the results. I except something better than my origins 2.0, cause in my specific case, the 1.0 was better than 2.0. I guess that it is a great project. Congratulations!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    My cooperation with Living DNA started after they had launched the German Project. I would have divided the regions differently, with more emphasis on dialects, historical boundaries and haplogroup distribution rather than the modern political divide they chose. Anyway these maps are preliminary and will be adjusted based on the data from participants.
    Yes, I suppose that ultimately they will create their own genetic clusters based on results of people with grandparents born within 80 km of each other. These regional divisions are only preliminary.

    But I think that you should update Poland's regions based on my suggestions.

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