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    Central balkanic democracy



    It seems like the ex Yugoslavian republic of Makedonia
    is turning the page,
    and enters in a new climate with Greece and NATO and Europe,

    the story is old from early 1900's
    Makedonian struggle,
    A and B Balkanic wars
    WWI
    WW2
    Greek civil war
    Cold war era
    Perstroika
    Disband of ex-Yugoslavian federation
    etc


    the problem until today is that Greece would never recogn a country
    that carries a toponym that is connected to its history and territory.
    also some movements created by the International Communist comittee
    and G. Dimitrov
    (Greek resistance against AXIS, and civil war times, and the role of Balkanic countries and Communist International, Blend treaty etc)

    A composite synthetic name was in discuss for 20 years,
    Fyrom suggested the term Nova Makedonia Νεα Μακεδονια
    but was rejected by Greeks
    Greece offered the term Slavic Makedonia (ΣλαβοΜακεδονια)
    But was rejected by Skopjie,

    but it seems the fear of Amber Fox 2
    brings a solution from the other side of Atlantic ocean

    the new name proposal is Central Balkanic Democracy
    is after M.Nimetz, Βασιλακης, Naumofski plans
    as also a treaty for energy, liquid gas, etc

    soon will be discussed in both parliaments,
    and will know more,
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Republic of Vardar Macedonia.

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    Next Problem: How do we call people in there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    Next Problem: How do we call people in there ?
    Republicans

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    Paeonia

    thats where the ancient Paeonians lived

    The exact original boundaries of Paeonia, like the early history of its inhabitants, are obscure, but it is known that it was located immediately north of ancient Macedonia (which corresponded roughly to the modern Greek region of Macedonia),
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Any population exchange like Greek did with Turks and Bulgarians or Macedonian Exodus. Because Even in Greek Macedonia you can see signification Macedonian population, but they are not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
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    Any population exchange like Greek did with Turks and Bulgarians or Macedonian Exodus. Because Even in Greek Macedonia you can see signification Macedonian population, but they are not now.

    why
    what for?

    is there a war running on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    why
    what for?

    is there a war running on?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...y_of_Macedonia

    But their number seems less now
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece

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    i Suggest you read my previous posts in threads about Makedonian Issue
    and modern aproaches of population,

    The Communistic era propaganda is over
    search the net about this

    https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91...94%CE%A3%CE%95


    and the end of Greek civil war,
    and the collapse of Communistic Idea from >25% to 6%.

    as also the Monasterion Greeks,

    the exchange had happened, silently
    through other events,

    if a new excange will happened to Europe
    that will be with other Balcanic democracies.

    the game of Communism expansion through Panslavism is over,
    expessed by G Dimitrov leader of Communist International is over.
    as also the game of PanTurkism via Ottomans


    PS
    search about exchange of population in the mail I send you.

    Beside Boreas
    the old plan has collapse
    Think what will happen iF erdogan gets a No at Thursday.
    Last edited by Yetos; 03-12-17 at 23:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    The Communistic era propaganda is over
    I didn't get it

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    It sounds another movie topic

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    the game of Communism expansion through Panslavism is over,
    expessed by G Dimitrov leader of Communist International is over.
    as also the game of PanTurkism via Ottomans
    Which era are we in?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    search about exchange of population in the mail I send you.
    I started, but I couldn't finished , now I am in abroad for work. Actually my company works for a Greek company in this project.


    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Beside Boreas
    the old plan has collapse


    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Think what will happen iF erdogan gets a No at Thursday.
    Very useless meeting, if you mean Erdoğan Athens visit. Time lost for both leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post

    I started, but I couldn't finished , now I am in abroad for work. Actually my company works for a Greek company in this project.


    Very useless meeting, if you mean Erdoğan Athens visit. Time lost for both leaders.
    which project? exchenge of populations? or back to Communism

    No I found it very realistic and very true,
    especially the next one at Belingrand,

    the perfect landing for both.
    and not only.
    the perfect landing for many

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    why is name so important?
    I guess that it is about teritorial claims...
    Bosniaks and Kosovars are for instance newly created nation names used to give taste of being more autochtonous than other people in Bosnia and Kosovo, but Serbia didnot oppose usage of those names ...

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    As it seems negotiations are very hard,
    and Greece might even driven to elections for that.
    preesure and -reactions are very very strong.

    ps
    time to get out of the case and furnish and polish my grandfather's gun.


    back to EU directiva of 16 Dec 1991
    and not a step away from them even if USA (Nimetz) wants it desperatly

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    I laughed hard One of the best example how silly this conflict is.

    The European voice • 15 hours ago
    If FOPOG (the former Ottoman province of Greece ) continues to bully Macedonia to change its name, the latter should perhaps consider to rename it "Republic of Alexander the Great".
    http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...lks-01-05-2018


    BTW it is really shame on Turkey. There is no any words about this conversations. Turkey has already locked to 2019 elections.

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    hahahaI 've read about a new magazine,the domino effect grows moresoon we will see more,since Skopjie ask land from Albania,it is not the 18 rocks only, but a confuzzio.I think the whole case is just a 'finger' of great powers to create mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I think the whole case is just a 'finger' of great powers to create mess.
    I don't think that a foreign finger needed. The Nations of Balkans so deeply hurt each other so they have enough material to fight till the doomsday.

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    Finally the Orthodox Albanians of Macedonia are becoming more active and aware recently and that should create more problems for that country. So far they had it easy by dealing only with Muslim Albanians.

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    at 19 JAN
    the names will be known

    as it seems 5 names are on discuss

    NovoMacendonski
    North Macedonia
    Central Balkanic Democracy
    Bardaria
    Bardar Macedonia

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    a brief history through videos and wiki

    the myths of central core of Aimos pninsula

    Alexandros Μακεδων




    Βασιλειος ο Βουλγαροκτονος Basil the 2nd (East) Roman emperror
    from Βασιλειος ο A ο Μακεδων (Makedonian Dynasty, to some Armenian but I believe there is a misundersting and probably Armanian or Amorian (Amorium) since after Leon 5th the Armenian a big diefference for the icons was on)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHapUF_AoNY





    tsar Samuel (
    emperror of Sclavinia, Ioannes Diakones chronicles, Venetian diplomat)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_of_Bulgaria





    tsar Symeon of Bulgaria
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijSzIyiXwVQ






    Tsar Dusan of Serbia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nKTSYintag





    the rape of History 1947

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bled_agreement_(1947)
    (also referred to as the "Tito–Dimitrov treaty")

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYzphUGI5g
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    nothing just trash info

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    Macedonian Prime Zoran Zaev: I'm of Albanian descent! There are 25 million Orthodox Albanians in Balkans




    Following news that Vice Prime Minister and Vice President of SDSM, Radmila Šekerinska has Albanian roots, the media close to VMRO have declared of Albanian Orthodox descent also the Prime Minister of Macedonia Zoran Zaev.

    "I have Albanian Orthodox origin, both from grandmother and grandfather since the Illyrians of Strumica accepted the Orthodox faith. Over time, the Slavs, mostly with violence, assimilated and imposed the Macedonian language.

    But all this is history. I forgive and we have to forget those things now and we should build a society and life for everyone. I do not know how to speak in Albanian because the Albanian language is not my mother tongue, but the language of the elderly grandparents, but it does not matter how we talk but important is of how we feel. I feel an Albanian Orthodox.

    More than 25 million Orthodox Albanians live in the Balkans, mainly in FYROM, Greece, Albania and Serbia. That is why we easily understand the Greeks. Gruevski was fascist and ethnically pure, and with such a person can not be negotiated "- Zaev said.
    17 Dec.
    Paget to the Council.

    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.

    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Macedonian Prime Zoran Zaev: I'm of Albanian descent! There are 25 million Orthodox Albanians in Balkans




    Following news that Vice Prime Minister and Vice President of SDSM, Radmila Šekerinska has Albanian roots, the media close to VMRO have declared of Albanian Orthodox descent also the Prime Minister of Macedonia Zoran Zaev.

    "I have Albanian Orthodox origin, both from grandmother and grandfather since the Illyrians of Strumica accepted the Orthodox faith. Over time, the Slavs, mostly with violence, assimilated and imposed the Macedonian language.

    But all this is history. I forgive and we have to forget those things now and we should build a society and life for everyone. I do not know how to speak in Albanian because the Albanian language is not my mother tongue, but the language of the elderly grandparents, but it does not matter how we talk but important is of how we feel. I feel an Albanian Orthodox.

    More than 25 million Orthodox Albanians live in the Balkans, mainly in FYROM, Greece, Albania and Serbia. That is why we easily understand the Greeks. Gruevski was fascist and ethnically pure, and with such a person can not be negotiated "- Zaev said.
    He must've added one zero to that 25 million.

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    Five names on the table for talks for FYROM

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    Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias is heading to Skopje on Thursday with a document containing a comprehensive proposal from Athens to settle a decades old name dispute with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

    The document, Kotzias said on Monday, “addresses all of our open issues with FYROM as well as a future agenda of cooperation that will bring gains to both sides.

    “I sent this agenda to Skopje several days ago,” he added.

    There are five names on the table for talks, which Kotzias will be discussing with his FYROM counterpart, Nikola Dimitrov. These are: Republika Nova Makedonija (Republic of New Macedonia), Republika Severna Makedonija (Republic of Northern Macedonia), Republika Gorna Makedonija (Republic of Upper Macedonia), Republika Vardarska Makedonija (Republic of Vardar Macedonia) and Republika Makedonija (Skopje) (Republic of Macedonia [Skopje]).

    The head of Greece’s junior coalition partner, Independent Greeks’ Panos Kammenos, has said he will not back any solution containing the word “Macedonia,” while there is also opposition within FYROM to Greek demands for changes to constitutional clauses deemed as expressing irredentist ambitions.

    Speaking ahead of Kotzias’s visit on Monday, however, FYROM’s prime minister, Zoran Zaev, said he is confident of a solution being reached by the summer, “provided that it will be decent [solution], and respect the issues pertaining to [the country’s] identity.”

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    FM Kotzias Did Get Threatening Letter Containing Bullet, Diplomatic Sources Say

    By ANA March 17, 2018

    ATHENS – Threats against Greece’s Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias in connection with the efforts for a resolution of the name dispute with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) are continuing and have escalated in the last week, diplomatic sources told the Athens-Macedonian News Agency (ANA) on Saturday.

    The sources confirmed reports that Kotzias had received a threatening letter containing a bullet from an anti-aircraft gun, saying that this was now in the hands of the police. They also revealed that the minister’s office has been receiving threatening phone calls.

    The letter accompanying the bullet urged “All that feel Greek to fight for our ideals, our history, our identity. The issue of the name of Skopje has many hidden traps.” As for the rest, the letter added, in a message for MPs, “especially for those that want to put their signature to the selling-off of our Macedonia, only one thing holds: we will wipe out their families, from the youngest to the eldest.”

    Finally, it urged members of the armed and security forces to “not obey their orders, go into parliament and kill them all, stopping the sell-off to NATO and the EU.”
    The letter and bullet are now being examined by police to discover who sent them, the sources said.

    In a Twitter comment regarding the threats, meanwhile, Kotzias said that those morally instigating the threats on his life and physical integrity were “specific systems” that targeted and misrepresented him.

    The government first revealed the death threats against Kotzias in early February, when Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Toskas told journalists that a letter saying that there were “three bullets for Kotzias and his family” was sent to the minister in connection with the activity around the FYROM issue, followed by a second letter a short while later.

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