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    Inoffensive newbie question: before the Romanization of Pannonia, do we really know the ethnic composition of those lands? Were they overwhelmingly Celtic, or perhaps Balto-Slavic tribes were already present on the margins? Did Illyrians settle as north as present-day Hungary or did they basically "stop" at the highlands of Croatia and Slovenia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    you shouldn't overestimate these colonies

    e.g. the Roman impact in Belgium was limited to the fertile loess plateaus, just south of the road between Cologne and Calais
    and yes, probably populated mainly by veterans, the Romans themselves didn't like so much coming to these areas

    I see many blanc spaces on the map
    That's what I said, Bicicleur. Residents of "Italia" at that time didn't migrate to those areas. It was colonies of veterans who had been granted land at the end of their long years of service. These weren't big folk migrations, and at the end of a hundred or two hundred years those people would have admixed and blended, although leaving behind perhaps some uniparental dna.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Inoffensive newbie question: before the Romanization of Pannonia, do we really know the ethnic composition of those lands? Were they overwhelmingly Celtic, or perhaps Balto-Slavic tribes were already present on the margins? Did Illyrians settle as north as present-day Hungary or did they basically "stop" at the highlands of Croatia and Slovenia?

    The only thing we can go by are ancient samples and we need more of them.

    However, we know, for example, that this was EEF central during the Neolithic.

    We know what Early Neolithic Hungary looked like...they were more southeastern than the Sardinians
    See:Gamba et al




    Then it was a Linear Pottery area...

    Look at the yDna...
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    Mesolithic sites are rare, but start to appear after systematic surveys, especially in the Jászság area (LatinJazygia) in northern Hungary (Jászberény I). Neolithic settlement begins with the Criş Körös culture, carbon-dated to around 6200 BC. The Middle Neolithic sees the Western Linear Pottery culture in Transdanubia and Satu-Mare (Szatmar) and Eastern Linear pottery (called "Alföld Linear Pottery" in Hungary) in the East, developing into Želiezovce (Slovakia) and Szakálhát and Bükk, respectively. The Late Neolithic Tisza culture is followed by the Eneolithic Tiszapolgár and Bodrogkeresztúr cultures.We can then move on to Baden, which is Chalcolithic or Copper Age. Gimbutas was sure that they were an Indo-European group, as Anthony was sure Remedello was Indo-European. However, although there was some steppe influence in Baden, they were still mostly Late Neolithic farmer, which across Europe averaged out at about 75% AN and 25% WHG.

    Take a look at the Haak PCA below. Click and it will expand a lot. The modern populations on which the samples land are also labelled.

    The Neolithic samples from Hungary are labeled Gamba EN. They plot with Sardinians, who are the "Mediterranean" cluster in a lot of calculators. Baden is labeled Gamba CA or Copper Age. It's still just west of modern day Sardinians. You can see the Bronze Age samples are somewhat French like. Again, these are eilte samples. Only in Gamba IA or Iron Age do we get a really "Northern" sample. I doubt that this was the autosomal signature of the majority of the locals.



    Go to this link to enlarge it even more.
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f-kkQdPqKm...00/HaakPCA.png

    I think that in the past people assumed that if a group spoke an Indo-European language then they were some sort of "pure" Indo European. We know now that's not the case.

    I'd have to go back and read the paper carefully to get the date of that Iron Age sample. At any rate, in the Balkans the Iron Age sample was even less "steppe" than the Bronze Age samples. In the last few centuries of the first millennium BC, which is also Iron Age, you have the Celts moving in, as happened in Italy.

    Later on in history, of course, you have the Magyars, who seem to have left little genetic trace but did change the language, and then lots of movement from Germanic peoples to the west.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...arian_Conquest

    This is from the Mycenaean paper. Look at how far "south" some of the Europe Late Neolithic/Bronze Age people plot.



    Also, go take a look at page ten of the Mathiesen paper. The "ethnic" breakdown of the samples can be found there. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...35616.full.pdf

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    This could be helpful too. Dalmatian Bronze age women from Jazinka Cave plots in the middle of present day Bulgarian cluster:

    jazinka-pca.jpg

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...erland_Croatia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Also, if you can get bigger and clearer pictures of the various graphics in the poster that would be great.












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    ^^Thanks Jovialis, I appreciate it.

    When the paper is published I may find out this is all wrong, but it looks to me based on the admixture analysis in that poster that the Lombards brought a lot of Northwestern and Tuscan looking people (in terms of genotype) with them to Italy.

    I have no idea why they would have used only 1000 genomes for comparisons. For goodness' sakes, why didn't they compare to ancient samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^Thanks Jovialis, I appreciate it.

    When the paper is published I may find out this is all wrong, but it looks to me based on the admixture analysis in that poster that the Lombards brought a lot of Northwestern and Tuscan looking people (in terms of genotype) with them to Italy.

    I have no idea why they would have used only 1000 genomes for comparisons. For goodness' sakes, why didn't they compare to ancient samples?
    They use only 1000 genomes for comparisons because it's cheap and has no cost. But 1000 genomes also have a limited number of populations.

    Unfortunately most of the studies are very low budget.

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    the nomadic tribes of the migration-era all have their own structure and dynamic with the longobards being unique in possessing a certain class with arms-bearing[warrior] and land-owning rights with the 'arimanni' as truly reflected in the tombs of szolad/collegno yet an important feature of szolad/collegno is also that both NEA/SEA (germanic-lombards/roman-provincials) did intermix with each other as by family-f[collegno] and family-c[szolad] and other burials; paulus diaconus mentioned noricans and pannonians as part of the trek and indeed amorim et al per sr-isotope determines all of the same trek 'migrate together' and in an upcoming/published paper on the alamanni burial of niederstotzingen a further feature is revealed in that roman-provincials (PCA akin to amorim et al pannonians/noricans and modern south-europeans) in alamanni society even possessed the right to bear arms as revealed by 'reihengrab' grave-3 [2/3 SEA 1/3 NEA one a native[raetian] and the other a non native per sr-isotope];

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    They use only 1000 genomes for comparisons because it's cheap and has no cost. But 1000 genomes also have a limited number of populations.

    Unfortunately most of the studies are very low budget.
    I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I have no idea, really, since all I know is what's on the poster to which I linked, and I can't even make out some of the graphs. I doubt there were any Tuscans in Pannonia, though, so I have a feeling perhaps it's that people pretty similar to modern Tuscans were still living in Pannonia all the way into the post Roman era? Perhaps it's like the fact that Globular Amphora people were pretty close to modern Tuscans, or Spain Chalcolithic? This may be a problem having to do with only using 1000 genomes populations. That's how they wound up with CEU people in Italy too.
    Sorry for bringing this up only now, but I don't think it's strange the fact that Pannonians were similar to Tuscans since they were mostly Illyrians after all.

    Having said that, aren't Albanians similar to Tuscans?

    I know some will be rightfully suspicious/cautious of such a connection due to the distance between Albania and Pannonia, but to anticipate that I'd like to add that the Northernmost Albanian settlements (modern Serbia) aren't that far from Pannonia, in addition to the fact that they were continuously pushed further South during the centuries.

    I don't think it's that far-fetched as an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanatis View Post
    Sorry for bringing this up only now, but I don't think it's strange the fact that Pannonians were similar to Tuscans since they were mostly Illyrians after all.

    Having said that, aren't Albanians similar to Tuscans?

    I know some will be rightfully suspicious/cautious of such a connection due to the distance between Albania and Pannonia, but to anticipate that I'd like to add that the Northernmost Albanian settlements (modern Serbia) aren't that far from Pannonia, in addition to the fact that they were continuously pushed further South during the centuries.

    I don't think it's that far-fetched as an explanation.
    On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

    If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

    I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

    So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.

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    In my opinion, the hypothesis that Albanians are actually descendants of an offshoot of Daco-Thracians from around present-day Serbia is quite likely (in the sense of "worhy of further research and discussion"). If Albanians are connected with Dacians, then there is also a high possibility that Albanian-like tribes existed in eastern Pannonia near the Carpathians, where Dacians existed historically and possibly also descended to the lower hillfoots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

    If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

    I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

    So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.
    Well, it makes sense.

    Could it be that the later Celtic admixture made the Pannonians more Tuscan-like than Albanians? After all, both Pannonia and Po Valley experienced the Celtic expansion/migration so we could have had the case of 2 very similar populations influenced by the same wave, producing again a similar result in the end.

    But as always, waiting is the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    In my opinion, the hypothesis that Albanians are actually descendants of an offshoot of Daco-Thracians from around present-day Serbia is quite likely (in the sense of "worhy of further research and discussion"). If Albanians are connected with Dacians, then there is also a high possibility that Albanian-like tribes existed in eastern Pannonia near the Carpathians, where Dacians existed historically and possibly also descended to the lower hillfoots.

    Don't go there bro. The wolves are waiting at the door. Then Albanians will get defensive and involved, followed by a series of infractions and a closed thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.
    This can be true for any study though, peer-reviewed or not peer-reviewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.
    Just because it's free to the public, doesn't mean you can use it for "commercial purposes", i.e. publishing it to an academic journal, receive compensation. You would probably have to procure the use of it first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Just because it's free to the public, doesn't mean you can use it for "commercial purposes", i.e. publishing it to an academic journal, receive compensation. You would probably have to procure the use of it first.
    I'm not sure if they earn something from publication. Those days usually YOU must pay to the journal for acceptation of paper, for example 500 $, and there are poor-quality journals from India or Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    I'm not sure if they earn something from publication. Those days usually YOU must pay to the journal for acceptation of paper, for example 500 $, and there are poor-quality journals from India or Africa.
    The fact remains that someone is making a profit from it.

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    Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiltie View Post
    Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.
    give us the 4 italian surnames and we will see
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4o
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiltie View Post
    Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.
    From what I see, you share a line with other Italians. On the other hand, in group U106 L 44 of the R1b U106 Project I am with British and Germans, and in Yfull I am with a Czech; There are no Italians. But in Anthrogenica I met a man from Bergamo, who has occasionally participated in Eupedia (Sirto), which is also L44. And my family, although it's from Veneto, has a distant origin in the valleys of Bergamo ...

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    How do u comment my result ?

    i am lebanese 100% origin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Das View Post
    How do u comment my result ?

    i am lebanese 100% origin

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    17.22264498 Sidon_BA_ERS1790731
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    27.79119465 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
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    Then why are you flying the Italian flag???

    Please post a screenshot of all your results, from the beginning, not just from 11 on...

    Not that these can't be altered, as anyone working with them can attest.

    I don't see any of these "Lebanese" hits in my husband's results, and three quarters of his ancestry is from far southern Calabria, and one quarter from Napoli, hardly a "Nordic" area, and his next closest hit after Calabria is Sicily, so I am suspicious already.

    I'm telling you now, my tolerance for t-rolls from other sites is ZERO. Chiaro???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

    If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

    I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

    So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.
    We can suppose that the most of the future European mix elements were already present there at BA but the complete mixing was not achieved and even if some central regions can appear as an eden for total allover crossings, we have to take in account that at those times all tribes did not completely mix with others (even if elites did more) even it hese central regions, and that some new moves occurred from peripheric regions where mixes were very weaker: so the crossings took place since long enough ago, but they progressed slowly in a lot of regions of Europe: curiously or not, the mixture of Y-haplo's and of auDNA seem having found more difficulties in contrasted landscapes of West and Central Europe than later in Steppes: socio-cultural habits + geography?
    ATW even in the today world of communications, European pops are all of them of similar mixes, but still of different percentages, spite of the time passed since BA or before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Then why are you flying the Italian flag???

    Please post a screenshot of all your results, from the beginning, not just from 11 on...

    Not that these can't be altered, as anyone working with them can attest.

    I don't see any of these "Lebanese" hits in my husband's results, and three quarters of his ancestry is from far southern Calabria, and one quarter from Napoli, hardly a "Nordic" area, and his next closest hit after Calabria is Sicily, so I am suspicious already.

    I'm telling you now, my tolerance for t-rolls from other sites is ZERO. Chiaro???
    ma chi sei scusa , chi ti conosce ? , Meglio che ti dai una calmata ..

    for your husband , naturally as he is from south italy , he is genetically closer to Africa and not to the middle east


    regarding the flag , it must be the: Your country of residence (displays a flag in your posts)

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    17.99828325 Bedouin
    18.30808565 Turkish
    18.50071890 Tunisian_Jewish
    19.25168564 Libyan_Jewish
    20.77344459 Azeri
    20.94421161 Sephardic_Jewish
    22.67357052 Kurdish
    22.68051146 Iranian
    22.79691426 Italian_Jewish
    23.11686397 Algerian_Jewish
    23.64473091 Egyptian
    25.28185120 South_Italian
    25.36079849 Ashkenazi
    26.65127201 East_Sicilian
    27.36857139 Central_Greek
    28.87219597 Yemenite_Jewish
    29.26054511 Saudi
    30.38269902 Italian_Abruzzo
    31.38178453 West_Sicilian
    32.84824196 Turkmen
    34.16347757 Tunisian
    34.37763517 Greek_Thessaly
    34.50096810 Kumyk
    35.72090284 Georgian
    36.15970686 Algerian
    37.10123987 Abhkasian
    37.94568882 Adygei
    37.99114897 Mozabite_Berber
    38.64866621 Moroccan
    38.90928938 Tuscan
    38.92423538 Balkar
    40.14037992 Ossetian
    40.36663226 Kabardin
    40.84031954 North_Ossetian
    41.99240527 Lezgin
    42.27311794 Chechen
    42.28913099 Bulgarian
    42.70369422 Nogay
    44.56473381 Afghan_Tadjik
    44.57456562 Tabassaran
    44.88449398 Romanian
    46.29941468 Tadjik
    46.36372504 North_Italian
    49.21836344 Afghan_Turkmen
    49.48449858 Serbian
    49.78836410 Afghan_Pashtun
    50.33742345 Makrani
    51.22992485 Uzbeki
    51.49458030 Aghan_Hazara
    54.64697247 Spanish_Extremadura
    54.80540667 Uygur
    55.05511784 Moldavian
    55.09821231 Portuguese
    55.28293498 Hazara
    55.50743374 Spanish_Andalucia
    55.76963511 Spanish_Murcia
    56.64390612 Spanish_Galicia
    56.83322004 Brahui
    56.90927517 Spanish_Valencia
    56.93487156 Balochi
    57.35990673 Sardinian
    57.48640448 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


    K13 ANCIENT
    20.52213926 CL30_longobard_north_italy
    20.77857550 col003_col003_
    21.33556655 CL38_longobard_north_italy
    21.47480384 i1632_areni_merged_
    21.52246268 CL25_longobard_north_italy
    21.52519222 col002_col002_F_H_

    CLEAR OUTPUTMAX OUTPUT NUMBER: ADD GRADIENT - YESGRADIENT FROM: GRADIENT TO:
    RUN ALLDAS

    Distance to: DAS
    7.51737321 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    9.10608039 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    9.42519496 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    9.43538023 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
    9.49241276 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    9.61965176 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.46897798 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.57707426 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.62266445 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.73587444 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
    10.96244498 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    11.10126119 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
    11.29358668 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
    12.16877562 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    12.54996813 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    13.63956378 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    13.77945935 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    14.22739259 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    14.31325959 R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.74115667 MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    15.00437603 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
    15.36099932 MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    15.41945524 Canaanite_ERS1790733_
    15.41945524 Sidon_733_Lebanon_
    15.54652373 caananite_ERS1790733_caananite_ERS1790733_
    15.54652373 Canaanite_
    15.54652373 Sidon_BA_ERS1790733_
    15.58019897 46_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp
    15.64426093 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    15.86936987 75_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp
    15.88845807 R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    15.88857451 I2062_Israel_MLBA_3197_ybp
    16.11601688 63_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
    16.28303719 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    16.30681146 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    16.68044064 R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    16.87856037 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    16.97463402 I2499_Anatolia_EBA_4604_ybp
    17.17169473 R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.22264498 Sidon_BA_ERS1790731_
    17.28540135 Sidon_731_Lebanon_
    17.68985868 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.70407015 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.85628181 R134_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    17.92899607 R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    18.11839121 R34_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    18.16486994 R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    18.29322552 MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    18.37356797 Canaanite_ERS1790729_
    18.50771461 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
    18.77917730 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    18.87705221 I2495_Anatolia_EBA_4377_ybp
    18.88436920 R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    18.90863030 MA2203_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    19.19347285 I1584_Anatolia_C_5776_ybp
    19.79747459 R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    19.84235873 R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    19.90023618 R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    19.91730403 R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    20.02735629 R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    20.07587358 Canaanite_ERS1790732_
    20.13468649 Sidon_BA_ERS1790732_
    20.18364932 R850_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Iron_Age
    20.26639583 R133_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    20.52213926 CL30_longobard_north_italy
    20.77857550 col003_col003_
    21.33556655 CL38_longobard_north_italy
    21.47480384 i1632_areni_merged_
    21.52246268 CL25_longobard_north_italy
    21.52519222 col002_col002_F_H_
    21.63410964 I1407_Armenia_C_5875_ybp
    22.09138520 3DT26_England_Roman_MiddleEast.SG_1750_ybp
    22.19530356 I1632_Armenia_C_6065_ybp
    22.21262704 R30_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    22.49097819 R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    22.52028863 col006_col006_
    23.10727807 Ker1_Russia_Crimea_Pantikapaion.SG_1622_ybp
    23.21923125 R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    23.29423105 R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    23.32155441 R137_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    23.49895955 I1955_Iran_Ganj_Dareh_H_493_ybp
    23.70096623 R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    23.87344969 I1665_IRAN_CHL_
    24.26523233 R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    24.49148628 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk_Turkey_3943 _BC
    24.56363369 R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    24.77170563 R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    24.81349230 R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    24.83018123 R58_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    24.93484309 R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    25.04003395 R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    25.13343590 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC
    25.31644722 R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    25.53817535 R35_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    25.54666514 I1634_Armenia_C_6145_ybp
    25.55484494 R136_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    25.61793708 I1705_Jordan_EBA_4032_ybp
    26.06494965 I1730_Jordan_EBA_4344_ybp
    26.12195628 F38_Iran_IA.SG_2852_ybp
    26.27637342 R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial

    Eurogenes K13 updated


    Distance to: DAS
    6.13059540 Iraqi_Jew
    6.41536437 Lebanese_Muslim
    6.52816207 Nusayri
    6.71259264 Kurdish_Jewish
    6.84330330 Lebanese_Druze
    8.48731995 Lebanese_Christian
    8.61307146 Mandean
    8.72058484 Assyrian_West
    9.07888209 Assyrian_South
    9.09784590 Syrian
    9.59731212 Assyrian_North
    10.55354443 Samaritan
    11.13211570 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
    11.13959604 Jordanian
    11.41120064 Palestinian
    12.01208558 Cyprian
    12.01208558 Greek_Cypriot
    12.68817560 Iraqi_Baghdad
    13.18500664 Greek_Cappadocian
    14.03015681 Georgian_Jewish
    14.03132923 Armenian_West
    14.16456494 Turk_Cypriot
    16.00210611 Armenian
    16.33466865 Greek_Trabzon
    17.16136067 Greek_Caucasus
    17.28245064 Turkmen_Iraq
    17.99828325 Bedouin
    18.03566744 Armenian_East
    18.19744488 Turk_South_East
    18.30808565 Turkish_mixed
    18.50071890 Tunisian_Jewish
    18.65044503 Turk_Central_East
    19.25168564 Libyan_Jewish
    19.65949135 Turk_East
    19.70314442 Greek_Dodecanese
    19.76792604 Turk_Turkey_average
    19.94916540 Greek_Chios
    20.25611513 Greek_Symi_Island
    20.58919620 Turk_Central_West
    20.71861482 Turk_East_Black_Sea
    20.75047469 Kurd_Sorani
    20.77344459 Azeri
    20.90290171 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
    20.94421161 Sephardic_Jewish
    21.04558148 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
    21.39315311 Turk_Anatolia
    21.45016550 Turk_South
    21.56114329 Zaza
    21.77777996 Azerbaijani_Turkey
    21.93410814 Azerbaijani_Iran
    21.96461928 Kurd_Iran
    22.49120717 Greek_Crete
    22.62891955 Lor_Iran
    22.67357052 Kurdish
    22.68051146 Iranian
    22.79691426 Italian_Jewish
    23.07461376 Greek_North_Aegean
    23.11686397 Algerian_Jewish
    23.15559760 IT_Calabria
    23.63400093 Talysh
    23.64473091 Egyptian
    23.86312008 IT_Calabria_ultra
    24.42704034 IT_Calabria_citra
    24.68554233 Laz
    24.75740899 Malta
    25.36079849 Ashkenazi
    25.85083944 Moroccan_Jew
    25.93575717 Turk_North_West
    26.12490000 Turk_Meskhetian
    26.13895369 IT_Campania
    Last edited by Das; 11-10-20 at 03:19.

  25. #50
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    10-05-19
    Posts
    776

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2-M223
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H2A3

    Ethnic group
    Italian-Siicly-South
    Country: United States



    Das: I am American of Italian ancestry (South) whose ancestors are all from Sicily, with some ancestors around 1800 BC in Calabria. Naturally, I am going to be closer to the Ancient Roman samples than You. Naturally since your ancestors are from Lebanon, as you state. In addition, my K13 ancient distances for the ancient Lebanon samples range from 28 to 33. So again, naturally I am closer to the ancient Italian and also Greek samples than you are, naturally. In addition, the 4 ancient North African samples Tarofalt and Keb, the distances are 49 to 53 for the 3 ancient North African Tarofalt and about 30 for the KEB4 from Neolithic North Africa, which btw has significant EEF type ancestry. So in summary, naturally, I am like all of the other Italians here from the South closer to the ancient Roman samples than you are.
    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    2.83136010 SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    3.06674094 R52_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    3.16415866 R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    4.30169734 R973_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
    4.90827872 R1290_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    5.12158179 R107_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    5.17019342 R59_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    5.26714344 R35_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    5.28244262 R117_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    5.46367093 R437b_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Republic
    5.87847769 R58_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    6.03682036 R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    6.27621701 R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    6.38286769 R835_Marche_Roman_Imperial
    6.55961127 R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    6.64341780 STR300b_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
    6.65163890 R49_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    6.71930056 R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    6.90764794 R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    7.25364047 R64_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    7.37640156 R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    7.50841528 R136_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    7.79816645 R121_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    7.80208946 R118_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    8.01384427 R1283_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    8.02524766 R969_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
    8.51440544 R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.53834879 R53_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    8.55114612 R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    8.94580349 col018_col018_M_R1b0Z2123_T2b_
    8.97784495 R111_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    9.05351313 R836_Marche_Roman_Imperial
    9.11959429 R60_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    9.15841143 I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
    9.19370437 R30_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    9.20768158 R32_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    9.46959344 R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
    9.48325893 R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    9.54028826 R120_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    9.58995829 scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
    9.74105230 CL121_longobard_north_italy
    10.05439705 R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.34661780 R57_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    10.35133325 I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp
    10.42188083 R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.48649608 I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_
    10.59341777 I8215_3iberia_
    10.62085213 I3808_morisco
    10.85205971 I8215_2iberia_
    10.88255944 R36_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    10.88575216 R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    10.91553938 R133_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    10.92390498 SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp
    11.17439036 col006_col006_
    11.18266516 col003_col003_
    11.47086745 CL38_longobard_north_italy
    11.87954124 Crusader_SI53_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
    11.88104373 CL30_longobard_north_italy
    11.90756902 R50_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    12.02587627 R125_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    12.10567222 R850_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Iron_Age
    12.14686379 R137_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    12.21853919 R34_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    12.31173424 R134_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    12.50021200 col002_col002_F_H_
    12.59834910 R40_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    12.61992076 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
    12.62005547 CL25_longobard_north_italy
    12.68519610 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_
    12.70966168 scy192_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
    13.09222670 R1285_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    13.13010663 I8215_iberia_
    13.18040212 R44_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    13.46294916 R1548_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    13.54852390 SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
    13.64714622 I7424_morisco_
    13.75514813 R81_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    13.81725733 SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
    13.90545576 SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    14.01357913 R1287_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    14.03188156 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.25116837 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    14.29000700 DA198_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_
    14.37902987 R69_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.41256743 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.42370271 R80_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.48567568 R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.59112401 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian_
    14.84108150 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    14.92488191 I3575_Andalusia_Visigoth_
    14.96395001 I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_
    15.57234086 I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
    15.74540250 I8146_Muslim_Iberian(Emirate_of_Granada)2_
    16.14585705 scy197_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
    16.15389117 R475b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
    16.18128240 SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
    16.21174574 SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
    16.22414250 R1545_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    16.43947688 SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
    16.51168071 I7457_iberia_
    16.67170357 R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy
    16.67403670 R43_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    16.78289308 MA2203_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    16.92761354 Ker1_Russia_Crimea_Pantikapaion.SG_1622_ybp
    16.94984071 I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    17.04162258 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk_Turkey_3943 _BC
    17.10177476 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.14620366 R72_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.14720969 I2176_Bulgaria_EBA_published_5132_ybp
    17.19111689 I3499_Croatia_Starcevo_EN_o_4725_ybp
    17.21992741 CL36_longobard_north_italy
    17.42256583 Crusader_SI41_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_
    17.54417852 I7041_Hungary_BA_brother.I7043_4300_ybp
    17.55267786 I7425_morisco_
    17.68439142 R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    17.72204559 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    17.80602988 Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp
    17.85663182 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    17.96143647 I0679_Bulgaria_Krepost_N_7622_ybp
    17.97573364 I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
    18.28136209 Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC
    18.32725566 R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    18.40919064 I3807_morisco_
    18.42236413 I3582_Andalusia_Visigoth_
    18.67851172 I1979_Italy_Bell_Beaker_4015_ybp
    18.73656585 NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
    18.74657302 I1584_Anatolia_C_5776_ybp
    18.80825085 I12647_iberia_
    18.86988606 R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    19.03566652 I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp
    19.17661858 I3920_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5770_ybp
    19.34407661 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    19.41616079 I1295_Bulgaria_MP_N_7752_ybp
    19.52189796 I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp
    19.74447771 CL31_longobard_north_italy
    19.81684889 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    19.82255281 STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
    19.85189160 I3581_Andalusia_Visigoth_
    19.88067403 Tep002_Tepecik_Ciftlik_level_5_c_6500_BCE_8500_BP_
    19.88067403 Tepecik002_Tepecik002_
    20.11037543 I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ybp
    20.11988072 I4131_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4289_ybp
    20.20349475 I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp
    20.41304485 I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp
    20.72013996 I2499_Anatolia_EBA_4604_ybp
    20.75837903 STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp
    20.91347173 I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp
    21.13371004 I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    21.31544276 I12515_iberia_
    21.36288838 I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE_
    21.37993452 R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    21.45854375 I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    21.45934994 I2364_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4215_ybp
    21.47632417 CL23_longobard_north_italy
    21.64031885 SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    21.71892493 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    21.82297184 merge_ANI159_ANI181_Bulgaria_Varna_EN2_6571_ybp
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    21.88822971 col001_col001_
    21.94689272 I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp
    21.95620869 I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp
    22.03757019 I7045_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp
    22.06753951 I4088_Romania_C_6154_ybp
    22.09146215 R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    22.21345313 I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_ybp
    22.38077076 I2495_Anatolia_EBA_4377_ybp
    22.43409905 RISE483_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3700_ybp
    22.58838861 I4089_Romania_C_5653_ybp
    22.64110200 I1498_Hungary_MN.SG_7124_ybp
    22.72736456 RISE374_Hungary_Maros.SG_3693_ybp
    22.75773934 Bar31_Anatolia_Early_Neolithic_
    22.80675558 MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    22.87542349 R474b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
    22.96823676 I2788_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5730_ybp
    23.06024501 I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp
    23.08125863 I2029_Germany_LBK_EN_7126_ybp
    23.08435617 col004_col004_
    23.09420707 France_IA_ERS88
    23.10020130 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
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    23.17217512 I1499_Hungary_Bu_kk_MN_7060_ybp
    23.22623301 I1895_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7151_ybp
    23.23807006 Boncuklu002
    23.25487261 I12516_iberia_
    23.29690108 I2110_Ukraine_Trypillian_5735_ybp
    23.29879611 R1015_Lazio_Rome_Iron_Age_Villanovan
    23.43777933 I1632_Armenia_C_6065_ybp
    23.47201099 Tep003_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8505_ybp
    23.48714329 I2743_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
    23.55189589 I2789_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5650_ybp
    23.64493815 R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
    23.74489629 I12514_iberia_
    23.75667696 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    23.75805969 I5119_Hungary_LCA_5100_ybp
    23.76947202 R473_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age
    23.77996215 I5524_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp
    23.78153065 I4188_Hungary_ALPc_I_MN_7050_ybp
    23.78350058 I1906_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6600_ybp
    23.90371101 GreekNeolithicRevenia_Revenia_6438–6264
    23.96159427 Rev5_Revenia_northern_Greece_Neolithic_
    23.97796280 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    24.04745101 I0022_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    24.05521773 I0449_Hungary_Tisza_LN_6700_ybp
    24.08594819 I1891_Hungary_Sopot_LN_6969_ybp
    24.13264801 R1016_Lazio_Rome_Iron_Age_Latini
    24.17464374 I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    24.24421168 N27_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp
    24.24703075 I7044_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_4300_ybp
    24.25832434 I7040_Hungary_BA_4300_ybp
    24.27297468 I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_ybp
    24.28356852 I1506_NE1_HungaryEN_
    24.36376202 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    24.52619416 I7042_Hungary_BA_6050_ybp
    24.54425798 R1021_Lazio_Frosinone_Iron_Age_Latini
    24.55664065 I12649_low_quality_
    24.58186730 R110_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    24.59995935 gun008_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1015_ybp
    24.60873219 I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp
    24.68343777 gun005_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_994_ybp
    24.69281272 I1903_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_son.I10619.son.I10624.hal fbro.I10620.halfbro.I10621_6600_ybp
    24.72081916 I2785_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5175_ybp
    24.74413062 I2355_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
    24.88911208 I2379_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7011_ybp
    24.94652280 i1632_areni_merged_
    24.96601089 E09538_Germany_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4288_y bp
    24.97990793 I3537_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7371_ybp
    25.01893883 I2529_Bulgaria_N_published_7601_ybp
    25.06645368 I2358_Hungary_Tisza_LN_6700_ybp
    25.06736524 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    25.08065988 I5759_Switzerland_Bell_Beaker_4178_ybp
    25.09664519 Bon002_Anatolia_N_Boncuklu.SG_10078_ybp
    25.14260925 N25_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp
    25.14918885 R109_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    25.17361516 I0056_Germany_LBK_EN_7061_ybp
    25.20894881 I0781_Bulgaria_C_6400_ybp
    25.21852890 RISE247_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3629_ybp
    25.24808706 I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    25.29860470 I4918_Serbia_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp
    25.31246531 I2791_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5471_ybp
    25.34364023 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
    25.35933753 I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp
    25.36206813 MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    25.37071146 I4189_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp
    25.39800976 I1908_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp
    25.45926550 SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp
    25.46161032 I1899_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6380_ybp
    25.46830579 I2376_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7050_ybp
    25.47832020 R1221_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
    25.48839540 I1882_Hungary_LBK_MN_7050_ybp
    25.48892505 I4199_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7050_ybp
    25.60952362 I0706_Bulgaria_Dzhulyunitsa_N_7905_ybp
    25.64126362 gun011_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1159_ybp
    25.67783285 R17_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    25.68189051 I5118_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp
    25.69002919 CL49_longobard_north_italy
    25.71174634 France_IA_NOR4
    25.74905824 I2380_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7350_ybp
    25.86423206 I1896_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7150_ybp
    25.87746317 I1926_Ukraine_Trypillia_Eneolithic_5736_ybp
    25.88100462 I5068_Austria_LBK_EN_7088_ybp
    25.92978403 MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    25.95911593 I2377_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7025_ybp
    25.96811314 I2032_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    25.96835767 I3443_Belize_MayahakCabPek_9300BP_9285_ybp
    25.99745949 RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp
    26.01103035 I0634_Serbia_EN_6557_ybp
    26.03484204 R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    26.09356051 I1905_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6664_ybp
    26.11019916 I3719_Ukraine_N_o2_6824_ybp
    26.15808670 I3535_Hungary_ALPc_III_MN_7061_ybp
    26.19120845 N36_Poland_BKG_o1.SG_6250_ybp
    26.19725749 I0854_Anatolia_N_sister.of.I0736_8106_ybp
    26.22379645 I3719_Neolithic/Mariupol_
    26.22594708 R19_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    26.26597609 GreekNeolithicKleitos_Kleitos_4230–3995_
    26.27550000 I5204_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp
    26.28446119 I5117_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp
    26.32676395 I0745_Anatolia_N_8251_ybp
    26.33533178 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    26.36365111 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
    26.42467975 I5079_Croatia_Starcevo_LN_5485_ybp
    26.43236085 I4893_Czech_N_6349_ybp
    26.46798254 I2354_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp
    26.49933961 gun002_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_861_ybp
    26.54456065 scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
    26.56307211 I1497_CO1_Hungary_MN_
    26.58845802 I0026_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    26.64350202 I5069_Austria_LBK_EN_7000_ybp
    26.65508019 I2793_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_Bodrogkeresztur_ECHA_630 1_ybp
    26.85536632 I3709_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5847_ybp
    26.86326488 I0025_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    26.86657217 I1876_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7544_ybp
    26.87189052 I1878_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7700_ybp
    26.87289341 France_BA_PIR3037AB
    26.93402495 R8_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    26.97024286 I1109_Bulgaria_MP_N_7635_ybp
    26.97370757 I2937_Greece_Peloponnese_N_7359_ybp
    26.97701800 I1505_Hungary_ALPc_MN_7061_ybp
    26.97866750 I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp
    26.98400452 I0746_Anatolia_N_7930_ybp
    26.98756195 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
    26.99509956 I2745_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
    27.00188697 R10_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    27.04606626 RISE373_Hungary_Maros.SG_3741_ybp
    27.06295069 N28_Poland_BKG.SG_6074_ybp
    27.09779880 I5205_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp
    27.15837072 I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_ybp
    27.27135310 I2366_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5093_ybp
    27.29130814 AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp
    27.34975137 I2521_Bulgaria_N_7505_ybp
    27.36810735 I1909_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6089_ybp
    27.37363513 Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp
    27.37459041 I2370_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5096_ybp
    27.41475698 Tep004_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8295_ybp
    27.42916149 AED1108_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1480_ybp
    27.42934378 I2790_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5649_ybp
    27.45257183 I2783_Hungary_Hunyadihalom_MCHA_6046_ybp
    27.46208477 I1550_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    27.49622883 R851_Lazio_Rome_Iron_Age_Latini
    27.61591751 I1102_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
    27.63334761 CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp
    27.63338018 I1099_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
    27.67669959 I4894_Czech_N_6378_ybp
    27.72265500 R16_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    27.73124772 N26_Poland_BKG.SG_6151_ybp
    27.74157350 I1904_Hungary_LBK_MN_7028_ybp
    27.76877923 gun012_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1329_ybp
    27.79069089 I1889_Hungary_Vinca_MN_6977_ybp
    27.86430871 I0100_Germany_LBK_EN_6977_ybp
    27.87693491 I0659_Germany_LBK_EN_7037_ybp
    27.88872353 I2353_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp
    27.89074578 I1098_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp
    27.90964170 I1101_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
    27.92716241 I2369_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5185_ybp
    27.98722744 I5206_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp
    28.00719550 SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
    28.02702446 I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
    28.03306976 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary_
    28.03957382 I2744_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
    28.09163755 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    28.15257004 Bar8_Anatolia_N.SG_8071_ybp
    28.17316631 I3708_Greece_Peloponnese_N_6550_ybp
    28.19452961 I0057_Germany_LBK_EN_7070_ybp
    28.26540642 I5071_Croatia_Impressa_EN_7571_ybp
    28.27935996 I0821_Germany_LBK_EN_6976_ybp
    28.30357045 I4885_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4166_ybp
    28.34204298 I1887_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7150_ybp
    28.36887379 France_IA_NOR2B6
    28.38652673 I2030_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    28.40493971 I0046_Germany_LBK_EN_7051_ybp
    28.41285449 I2752_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5175_ybp
    28.41294951 I3594_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4175_ybp
    28.41473033 I2373_Hungary_Koros_EN_7700_ybp
    28.42312615 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
    28.43356819 I5077_Croatia_Sopot_MN_7026_ybp
    28.45160101 I2384_Hungary_ALPc_III_MN_7130_ybp
    28.57728993 I0724_Anatolia_N_7950_ybp
    28.58390806 Tep002_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8585_ybp
    28.58459025 scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG
    28.59770270 I4196_Hungary_LBK_MN_7050_ybp
    28.64779398 N19_Poland_TRB.SG_5462_ybp
    28.66420241 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
    28.74534571 I0736_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp
    28.76500304 I1500_Hungary_ALPc_MN_7050_ybp
    28.78442808 I4168_Croatia_Sopot_MN_6600_ybp
    28.81708347 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    28.83064342 CL57_longobard_north_italy
    28.86569417 MA2198_Anatolia_IA.SG_2900_ybp
    28.90984261 I2026_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    28.92101658 I0726_Anatolia_N_7950_ybp
    28.94669584 I2037_Germany_LBK_EN_7056_ybp
    28.94784966 Canaanite_ERS1790729_
    28.96485974 I0054_Germany_LBK_EN_7072_ybp
    28.97151014 R108_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    28.99496336 N31_Poland_BKG.SG_6138_ybp
    29.00604247 R3_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    29.05499957 R63_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    29.25506623 I5070_Austria_LBK_EN_7050_ybp
    29.27878925 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
    29.28347145 I1901_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6600_ybp
    29.29165922 I0633_Serbia_EN_7440_ybp
    29.29691622 R9_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    29.33178651 I2038_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp
    29.36544398 I1495_NE7_HungaryEN_
    29.36575046 I1407_Armenia_C_5875_ybp
    29.37015662 Pal7_Greece_Late_N.SG_6351_ybp
    29.45792423 I2792_Croatia_Vucedol_4677_ybp
    29.49605397 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
    29.56902433 CL47_longobard_north_italy
    29.62026165 R2_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    29.62171163 I2753_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5081_ybp
    29.63639148 R18_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy
    29.63923919 I0018_Germany_LBK_EN_7140_ybp
    29.74667040 SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    29.76244782 I2371_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5179_ybp
    29.78099058 I2357_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp
    29.81437908 I0698_Bulgaria_N_published_7900_ybp
    29.85607476 I0709_Anatolia_N_8086_ybp
    29.98397239 Crusader_SI40_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_


    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 0.7512% / 0.75119401 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.8 SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    24.2 R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
    12.0 I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_
    5.6 R1283_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy
    2.2 R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    2.2 R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia

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