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    Quote Originally Posted by olov View Post
    EUROPEAN88.6%
    NORTHERN EUROPEAN62.3%
    Northwest European62.3%
    Scandinavian0.0%
    EASTERN EUROPEAN26.3%
    Baltic26.3%
    Eastern Slavic0.0%
    Southern Slavic0.0%
    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
    Greek-Albanian0.0%
    Sardinian-Sicilian0.0%
    Southwest European0.0%

    ASIAN10.1%
    CENTRAL ASIAN10.1%
    Bashkirs5.0%
    Tatars2.7%
    Turkmens2.4%
    Uzbek & Uyghur0.0%
    Kazak & Kirgiz0.0%
    Tajikistani0.0%
    WEST ASIAN0.0%
    Caucasian0.0%
    Southwest Asian0.0%
    West Asian0.0%
    SC/S ASIAN0.0%
    South Central Asian0.0%
    Indian0.0%
    EAST-SOUTHEAST ASIAN0.0%
    East Asian0.0%
    Southeast Asian0.0%

    POLAR & SIBERIAN1.0%
    Siberian1.0%
    Polar0.0%
    NATIVE AMERICAN0.3%
    South Amerindian0.3%
    Central Amerindian0.0%
    North Amerindian0.0%

    Indeed stays curios from someone from Sweden, especially compared to my families results (North Dutch,) more Scandic (father and I), less Baltic.
    And the Central Asian are the Saami results (I guess).

    Norrland is genetically different from Southern Scandinavia, and I guess that Kurd used Southern Scandinavian samples.

    See this article:
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...one.0016747#s2

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    Quote Originally Posted by olov View Post
    EUROPEAN88.6%
    NORTHERN EUROPEAN62.3%
    Northwest European62.3%
    Scandinavian0.0%
    EASTERN EUROPEAN26.3%
    Baltic26.3%
    Eastern Slavic0.0%
    Southern Slavic0.0%
    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
    Greek-Albanian0.0%
    Sardinian-Sicilian0.0%
    Southwest European0.0%

    ASIAN10.1%
    CENTRAL ASIAN10.1%
    Bashkirs5.0%
    Tatars2.7%
    Turkmens2.4%
    Uzbek & Uyghur0.0%
    Kazak & Kirgiz0.0%
    Tajikistani0.0%
    WEST ASIAN0.0%
    Caucasian0.0%
    Southwest Asian0.0%
    West Asian0.0%
    SC/S ASIAN0.0%
    South Central Asian0.0%
    Indian0.0%
    EAST-SOUTHEAST ASIAN0.0%
    East Asian0.0%
    Southeast Asian0.0%

    POLAR & SIBERIAN1.0%
    Siberian1.0%
    Polar0.0%
    NATIVE AMERICAN0.3%
    South Amerindian0.3%
    Central Amerindian0.0%
    North Amerindian0.0%
    And in addition, the Baltic results could be from Corded Baltic:

    CWC from Olsund in Sweden has Balto-Slavic R1a-Z645 and is genetically more similar to Baltic CWC than to German CWC.


    “This could indicate that the route of CWC expansion into Northern Sweden might have not been northward from Southern Scandinavia but instead westward across the Baltic Sea either by boat or over the frozen sea during winter”

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2017/03...rn-europe.html

    So may be it's not due to K29 but due to the different genetic genepool of Norrland!?

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    in anthrogenica kurd once explained that the alleles are always assigned to the most dominant cluster but if that cluster is removed it gets assigned to the next dominant cluster, my K25 16% scandinavian also disappeared and assigned to NW in K29 but as kurd said #249 scandinavia seems a weak cluster in the light of NW or the removal of west_slavic (polish/czech) my 8% were than assigned to the next dominant cluster which turned out to be also NW rather than other slavic clusters also the removal of sardinian the vast majority assigned to the next dominant greek-albanian and partial new west-asian so i think thats the insight which clusters are closer/closest to which or the most dominant and view both calcs together and not one on its own, my opinion;

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    Huh, I scored 8.6% Central Asian (all of it Tatar) on the K29 where previously (K25) this was probably lumped into my score for East Slavic and Tajick. I'm 1/8 Finnish and had been trying to figure out where that was hiding. I'm wondering if this is suggesting that my Finn ancestors were mostly Saami? The rest of my ancestry is pretty far removed from that region.

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    Anthrogenica is back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    And in addition, the Baltic results could be from Corded Baltic:
    CWC from Olsund in Sweden has Balto-Slavic R1a-Z645 and is genetically more similar to Baltic CWC than to German CWC.
    “This could indicate that the route of CWC expansion into Northern Sweden might have not been northward from Southern Scandinavia but instead westward across the Baltic Sea either by boat or over the frozen sea during winter”
    So may be it's not due to K29 but due to the different genetic genepool of Norrland!?
    I knew that we are different from the sothern swedes and that we have much genetic drift upp here in the north, but i was surprised that the calculator could not estimate my data as scandinavian when others can. But now with so small reference numbers i understand it.
    Thanks for the links👍

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    @Angela: Can you please change the title of this thread from K25 to K29?

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    My updated results :

    Under the old K25 I had :

    NORTHERN EUROPEAN 96.5%

    - Northwestern European 73.2%
    - Scandinavian 23.3%

    South Central Asian 1.5%
    Balochi, Brahui, Pakistani Parsis

    Caucasian 1.4 %

    South Amerindian 0.6%

    and with the new k29 I get this :

    73.3 % Northwest European
    20.5 .% Scandinavian
    5.6 % Caucasian ( Georgian )
    0.7 % South Amerindian

    So by changing the Caucasian references from Adygei,Kabardin and Kumyk to Georgian I actually did get a somewhat significant change.My new Georgian category consumed all the former Caucasian components ( or maybe it ditched them , I'm not sure ) and it poached all my Central Asian Balochi and 2.8 % of my Scandinavian component.

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    How odd would anyone think it is to be 1/8 Finnish and score no Baltic on this calculator? As I mentioned in a previous post, it seems to have ended up in Tatar instead... I guess. can't think of any other source that would give me such a high score for that population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerijoe View Post
    Here are my results for Geneplaza K25 & K29.

    K25
    European. 98.1
    NWE. 51.9
    Scand. 25.9
    W. Slavic. 20.3
    C/SC/S Asia. 1.9

    K29
    European. 91.8
    N. Euro. 66.0
    Scand. 20.0
    E. Slavic. 5.8
    Asian. 8.2
    Tartars. 7.1
    W. Asian. 0.7
    Caucasian. 0.4

    Here are a few results from the major testing companies.

    Ancestry
    British. 96, Scandinavian 0
    FTDNA
    British Isles. 98, Scandinavian 0
    23andMe
    B&I. 90.8, Scandinavian 1.4
    MyHeritage
    B&I. 96.5, Scandinavian 0
    Livingdna
    GB&I. 94.3, Scandinavian 4.6, Kurdish 1.1
    Geno 2.0
    GB&I. 97, Arabia 2

    Born in Scotland with maternal side an even split between Scottish and Irish. Have traced Mum’s family back to mid 1700’s. Kurd’s analysis indicates a substantial increase over other test results for Scandinavian. The amount of Asian for K29 also seems to be high vs. other results.
    Ah, someone else with an anomalously high Tatar score too. I do wonder what's up with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Graham View Post
    My updated results :

    Under the old K25 I had :

    NORTHERN EUROPEAN 96.5%

    - Northwestern European 73.2%
    - Scandinavian 23.3%

    South Central Asian 1.5%
    Balochi, Brahui, Pakistani Parsis

    Caucasian 1.4 %

    South Amerindian 0.6%

    and with the new k29 I get this :

    73.3 % Northwest European
    20.5 .% Scandinavian
    5.6 % Caucasian ( Georgian )
    0.7 % South Amerindian

    So by changing the Caucasian references from Adygei,Kabardin and Kumyk to Georgian I actually did get a somewhat significant change.My new Georgian category consumed all the former Caucasian components ( or maybe it ditched them , I'm not sure ) and it poached all my Central Asian Balochi and 2.8 % of my Scandinavian component.
    K29 looks good.

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    According to the creator the West Asian (Georgian Jew) is a population designated for excess EEF in Europeans. Caucasian is the same as the old calculator I believe. Not completely understanding the results. I saw the results of a Greek Peloponnesian (from a neighboring region) who scored like 5% Central Asian and no West Asian on the K29.

    K 25

    EUROPEAN 88.0%
    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN51.5%
    Greek-Albanian35.0
    Sardinian-Sicilian16.5%
    Southwest European0.0%
    EASTERN EUROPEAN36.5%
    Southern Slavic36.5%
    Eastern Slavic0.0%
    Western Slavic0.0%
    Baltic 0.0%
    WEST ASIA12.0%
    Caucasian11.5%[/B]
    Adygei, Kabardin, Kumyk
    South West Asian0.5%

    K29
    EUROPEAN 86.5%
    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN57.6%
    Greek-Albanian50.6%
    Sardinian-Sicilian7.1%
    Southwest European0.0%
    EASTERN EUROPEAN28.9%
    Southern Slavic28.9%
    Eastern Slavic0.0%
    WEST ASIAN13.5%
    West Asian8.3%
    Caucasian5.2%

    Southwest Asian0.0%

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    "According to the creator the West Asian (Georgian Jew) is a population designated for excess EEF in Europeans."

    I find that rather interesting, thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    "According to the creator the West Asian (Georgian Jew) is a population designated for excess EEF in Europeans."

    I find that rather interesting, thanks for sharing
    I have that too in my results, but in very small percentage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman View Post
    I have that too in my results, but in very small percentage.
    Im really surprised they were used for extra EEF, there must be something about their genes.

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    I got H as a main haplogroup and I S24 Saxon as I am partly English too when they allow me to post URLS I can post the scores of my genetic tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenab View Post
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    No I didn't think you looked like a fat, ugly self hating *******. I thought your last two posts on Italian genetics were quite interesting, actually.

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    Anyway back to the thread topic, I got 24 percent on the Greek/Albanian score on the K24 test on gene plaza. Then it changed when I got the e mail to 19. something Greek/Albanian/Kosovan. I have no idea how they can lump Albania Greece together and Sicily separate surely, the average Sicilian would be closer to Greek or Greco Eastern Mediterranean than Albanians. Apart from if they're Arvanites or Tosts who have settled in North Greece.

    Also, isn't Kosovo Serbia controlled if anything Albanians there would have Serbian blood or genetics, not vice versa like the Ghegs

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    I also don't get how they could be sure that I was 24. something Greek Albanian one minute then 19. something Greek/Albanian/Kosovan the next.

    Also, my first test given me something like a 4 percent Sicilian score and the second test given me 0 Sicilian and added it onto my North Atlantic. I preferred the ethnicity plot test on plaza which literally just added you onto different race cats accordingly. The other one about ancient populations was interesting too and quite informative. Still slightly off on African Caucasus Jewish scores and other things but the European ancient population info about the Steppes etc was interesting for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenab View Post
    Anyway back to the thread topic, I got 24 percent on the Greek/Albanian score on the K24 test on gene plaza. Then it changed when I got the e mail to 19. something Greek/Albanian/Kosovan. I have no idea how they can lump Albania Greece together and Sicily separate surely, the average Sicilian would be closer to Greek or Greco Eastern Mediterranean than Albanians. Apart from if they're Arvanites or Tosts who have settled in North Greece.

    Also, isn't Kosovo Serbia controlled if anything Albanians there would have Serbian blood or genetics, not vice versa like the Ghegs
    Not sure about the Albanian/Greek component doesn't really make sense unless it's NW Greek. I do think that mainland Greeks are actually closer to Albanians than Sicilians (unless you're referencing Syracusans) but maybe Aegean Greeks are generally closer to Sicilians. Still don't understand what population the creator used for Greeks. The other question I have is why are Albanians scoring 100% Albanian/Greek and mainland Greeks scoring 50% Albanian/Greek and close to 30% South Slavic.

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    Ionian Greeks are closer to Sicilians due to the population of 6AD onwards. I guess Ionians I kind of Central I don't know much about them. Yes, I agree with the fact Albanians have settled in Macedonia Former Yugoslav and Thrace they have also settled in Epirus which is North Greece basically. But, basically they would only exist in Arvantine and Tosks since they are the only Albanians that have Greek genetics or ancestors if you would.

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    Which then brings me to the whole Kosovo mix which is basically more into Ex Yugo, which some people might translate that to Serbians or having Serbian genetics which is a different kettle of fish since Ghegs would be I guess closer to Serbs from Kosovo then Albanians closer to North or North West Greeks.

    So it's not really a South European score, South Europe for me is like South Italy and South Greece. The Balkans is more like North Greece as it borders Macedonia/Ex Yugoslav anyway

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    So if anything to be Greek Albanian Serbian mixed in genetics whatever they think old or new Kosovo is is more of a South EAST European not a South European Sicilian/South Italian/Hellenic Greek mix.

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