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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It looks like it's mainly the Salento that is separate, not all of Puglia, Salento. :) It probably makes sense.
    Salento includes: Le Provincie di Lecce, Brindisi and some of Taranto.
    Part of Salento also includes: La Grecía Salentina, some of that population have Higher Greek markers. That’s the reason that SOME of Salento is not Included in the Map.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecìa_Salentina
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Right again. In most calculators they have more than Northern Italians and Tuscans, for example.

    Making Greeks/Albanians have 45% "Caucasian", but Northern Italians 5% seems a bit off too. I know they don't have much, but that kind of disparity seems extreme from the Greek/Albanian end.

    Oh, dear, I hope "Kurd" isn't taking this the wrong way. He's very intelligent, capable, and honest. It's just that Southern European ancestry is really complicated.
    So far no Albanians are scoring Caucasian in amounts greater than 6 percent(my mother), I am 1.7 and my father 1.1. I don't think I have seen an Albanian result on this calc with 45 percent Caucasian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I agree that Southern Italians and Sicilians are Genetically close.
    That said, AncestryDNA separates us:
    I wonder if it has something to do mainly with some kind of shared heritage with the Oscans. In addition to mixing with those other local people.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    So far no Albanians are scoring Caucasian in amounts greater than 6 percent(my mother), I am 1.7 and my father 1.1. I don't think I have seen an Albanian result on this calc with 45 percent Caucasian.
    It would be subsumed in the Greek-Albanian component, since it is ubiquitous throughout the entire Mediterranean. As well as to a lesser degree in Northern Europe; both West and East. For northern countries, maybe much of it's from Yamnaya/steppe ancestry and/or an additional migration as well? Idk what that dark blue component means specifically. Yamnaya/steppe ancestry is around 40% Caucasus within and of itself.

    I believe Caucasus is that salmon colored component. Since its most prevalent in the Caucasus samples in the Balkan paper chart.

    Greeks look like they get about 35% in the Balkan paper chart; Albanians would have something similar. North Italians get around 1/4 and it increases as you go south.

    I believe Angela meant to refer to the "Greek-Anatolian" sample population in the spread sheet that get's around 45% Caucasus.

    Last edited by Jovialis; 01-12-17 at 22:03. Reason: spelling and grammar

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    I am not sure that by adding more components (25) the calculation becomes more reliable. By training i would say the opposite, but maybe this guy did an amazing work.
    Would be nice to know the interval of confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergin View Post
    I am not sure that by adding more components (25) the calculation becomes more reliable. By training i would say the opposite, but maybe this guy did an amazing work.
    Would be nice to know the interval of confidence.
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    If anything, they should all be applied the same, instead of subsuming for some, and not others. Or under-representing a particular admixture. But the biggest issue is associating particular groups that merely share some common origins from prehistoric times, and conflating it with a modern population that is since admixed with other things. For example, North Italians getting a high percent of "South Slavic" with this calculator, despite the fact they've never experienced a Slavic invasion. This is why the K12 calculator was superior to this one IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It looks like it's mainly the Salento that is separate, not all of Puglia, Salento. :) It probably makes sense.

    Is there a link to Ancestry's divisions, and maybe a spreadsheet of populations?
    That’s all I can find. They made me login.
    AncestryDNA split Italy in 2, North and South. The South split in 8 Genetic Communities, the North doesn’t, and I can’t find Sicily and Sardinia.


    Never Mind. Sardinia is with Iberia, and Sicily with Nord Africa.

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    Done my K25 test:

    Southern European 65.6%
    - Greek-Albanian 55%
    - Sardinian-Sicilian 10.7%

    Northern European 24.3%
    - Northwestern european 23.1%
    - Scandinavian 1.2 %

    West Asia 10.1%
    - Caucasian 6.8%
    - South West Asian 3.2%

    (I suppose there is some rounded decimal)

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    EUROPEAN 100.0%


    NORTHERN EUROPEAN 86.7%
    - Northwestern European 55.9%
    - Scandanavian 30.8%


    EASTERN EUROPEAN 13.3%
    - Baltic 13.3%

    Quite good!! A fine job of Kurd.

    Still puzzling about the Baltic component, I guess it has something to do with a Germanic mixture (and/or Corded?).

    Anyone???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Done my K25 test:

    Southern European 65.6%
    - Greek-Albanian 55%
    - Sardinian-Sicilian 10.7%

    Northern European 24.3%
    - Northwestern european 23.1%
    - Scandinavian 1.2 %

    West Asia 10.1%
    - Caucasian 6.8%
    - South West Asian 3.2%

    (I suppose there is some rounded decimal)
    More Greek-Albanian than Greeks and Albanians lol. Ahh, this calculator gets weirder and weirder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    That’s all I can find. They made me login.
    AncestryDNA split Italy in 2, North and South. The South split in 8 Genetic Communities, the North doesn’t, and I can’t find Sicily and Sardinia.


    Never Mind. Sardinia is with Iberia, and Sicily with Nord Africa.
    This is all total nonsense in my opinion. Northern Italy is much less homogeneous than Southern Italy. Part of that is different migrations, more Gauls in the west, more Central European in the east, but I think part of it is also that Southern Italy was ruled more or less as one unit for the last 1600 years. People moved about. From Rome north, everything was divided into different municipalities, or was part of the Papal States, or was ruled by different foreign governments. Just moving from place to place was more difficult. So, there was a lot of drift. As a result of both factors, people from the Veneto are quite different from people from Piemonte, and the differences are greater when you get to coastal Liguria or Toscana.

    Are they using only their own testees as references? That would explain it. If they've got, just as an example, 10,000 Southerners who have tested, and 100 Northern Italians, they're going to pick up slight differences among Southerners and they can't differentiate too well among Northerners.

    Sicily with North Africa? Are they kidding? The specifically "North African" in Sicilians can't be more than 5%. Has any of them ever looked at yDna distribution? Maybe there's a bit more in certain isolated places along the southern coast where more Berbers settled, or in strongholds. As in Spain, most of them were exiled.

    Then, what is all this overlap? Three different groups with Campania in them? I bet these are all mixed Southern Italian Americans. You can't use mixed people for references in Italy. That's why Dienekes never used me for either the Northern Italians or the Tuscans.

    This looks like work done by people who have never read an academic paper on population genetics in Southern Europe in their entire lives. "Shoemakers" as my dad would have said, not professionals.

    Maybe some day Lazaridis will tire of the ivory towers of academia and try to make some real money. Then we'd get a calculator worth something.

    @Stuvane,
    I don't remember. You're from eastern Emilia-Romagna?

    That's the reason, I think, but it's still wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    This is all total nonsense in my opinion. Northern Italy is much less homogeneous than Southern Italy. Part of that is different migrations, more Gauls in the west, more Central European in the east, but I think part of it is also that Southern Italy was ruled more or less as one unit for the last 1600 years. People moved about. From Rome north, everything was divided into different municipalities, or was part of the Papal States, or was ruled by different foreign governments. Just moving from place to place was more difficult. So, there was a lot of drift. As a result of both factors, people from the Veneto are quite different from people from Piemonte, and the differences are greater when you get to coastal Liguria or Toscana.

    Are they using only their own testees as references? That would explain it. If they've got, just as an example, 10,000 Southerners who have tested, and 100 Northern Italians, they're going to pick up slight differences among Southerners and they can't differentiate too well among Northerners.

    Sicily with North Africa? Are they kidding? The specifically "North African" in Sicilians can't be more than 5%. Has any of them ever looked at yDna distribution? Maybe there's a bit more in certain isolated places along the southern coast where more Berbers settled, or in strongholds. As in Spain, most of them were exiled.

    Then, what is all this overlap? Three different groups with Campania in them? I bet these are all mixed Southern Italian Americans. You can't use mixed people for references in Italy. That's why Dienekes never used me for either the Northern Italians or the Tuscans.

    This looks like work done by people who have never read an academic paper on population genetics in Southern Europe in their entire lives. "Shoemakers" as my dad would have said, not professionals.

    Maybe some day Lazaridis will tire of the ivory towers of academia and try to make some real money. Then we'd get a calculator worth something.

    @Stuvane,
    I don't remember. You're from eastern Emilia-Romagna?

    That's the reason, I think, but it's still wrong.
    It is strange. Link to the White Paper. hope it works:
    https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help...ies/whitepaper

    “Shoemakers” we say “Scarparu”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It is strange. Link to the White Paper. hope it works:
    https://www.ancestry.com/cs/dna-help...ies/whitepaper

    “Shoemakers” we say “Scarparu”
    Thanks for the link. I guess that's one of those pan-Italian sayings. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thanks for the link. I guess that's one of those pan-Italian sayings. :)

    Some of those old sayings and proverbs have exact counterparts in English, some don't. I love them, even the ones that are really vulgar, although I don't use them. I think my mother is still watching and listening to me, I guess. :)
    I forgot about this. Part is S.Europe It has the islands. (I guess I’m a “Scarparu” too.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Still puzzling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    This is all total nonsense in my opinion. Northern Italy is much less homogeneous than Southern Italy. Part of that is different migrations, more Gauls in the west, more Central European in the east, but I think part of it is also that Southern Italy was ruled more or less as one unit for the last 1600 years. People moved about. From Rome north, everything was divided into different municipalities, or was part of the Papal States, or was ruled by different foreign governments. Just moving from place to place was more difficult. So, there was a lot of drift. As a result of both factors, people from the Veneto are quite different from people from Piemonte, and the differences are greater when you get to coastal Liguria or Toscana.

    Are they using only their own testees as references? That would explain it. If they've got, just as an example, 10,000 Southerners who have tested, and 100 Northern Italians, they're going to pick up slight differences among Southerners and they can't differentiate too well among Northerners.

    Sicily with North Africa? Are they kidding? The specifically "North African" in Sicilians can't be more than 5%. Has any of them ever looked at yDna distribution? Maybe there's a bit more in certain isolated places along the southern coast where more Berbers settled, or in strongholds. As in Spain, most of them were exiled.

    Then, what is all this overlap? Three different groups with Campania in them? I bet these are all mixed Southern Italian Americans. You can't use mixed people for references in Italy. That's why Dienekes never used me for either the Northern Italians or the Tuscans.

    This looks like work done by people who have never read an academic paper on population genetics in Southern Europe in their entire lives. "Shoemakers" as my dad would have said, not professionals.

    Maybe some day Lazaridis will tire of the ivory towers of academia and try to make some real money. Then we'd get a calculator worth something.

    @Stuvane,
    I don't remember. You're from eastern Emilia-Romagna?

    That's the reason, I think, but it's still wrong.
    Yes, I am, Angela. I'm from contryside of Ferrara and Rimini/Forlì

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I agree that Southern Italians and Sicilians are Genetically close.
    That said, AncestryDNA separates us:
    Got it, and I'm glad we're agreeing and getting along!

    Sadly I don't know when I'll be swallowing apples (or even the orange vitamin water I have next to me) comfortably due to feeling ill, possibly from a throat cold. I'll be working out in less than an hour to sweat the germs out (yes I workout late at night, I do well with this schedule).

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Got it, and I'm glad we're agreeing and getting along!

    Sadly I don't know when I'll be swallowing apples (or even the orange vitamin water I have next to me) comfortably due to feeling ill, possibly from a throat cold. I'll be working out in less than an hour to sweat the germs out (yes I workout late at night, I do well with this schedule).

    for anyone who doesn't get the apple reference:
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    Hope you feel better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Welcome to the club :)
    Yeah this calculator needs more time to iron out the bugs

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    Hope you feel better.
    Thanks, I'll bounce back!

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    mine :

    EUROPEAN 66.1%
    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN 53.1%
    Greek-Albanian 28.4%
    Sardinian-Sicilian 24.7%

    Southwest European0.0% yes
    EASTERN EUROPEAN13.0%
    Eastern Slavic 13.0%
    Southern Slavic0.0%
    Western Slavic0.0%
    Baltic0.0%
    NORTHERN EUROPEAN0.0%
    Northwestern European0.0%
    Scandinavian0.0%

    WEST ASIA21.9%
    Caucasian 11.5%

    South West Asian 10.4%
    C/SC/S ASIA 12.0%
    South Central Asian12.0% { indo -iranian genes

    SIBERIAN & AMERINDIAN0.0%
    E/SE ASIA & OCEANIA0.0%
    AFRICAN0.0%

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Sardinian-Sicilian 24.7%
    May I ask you what your ethnicity is?

    I find it very odd that non-Italians would be getting such a high percent of this component, than Italians themselves. Same as Dibran pointed out that oddly, an Italian from Eastern Emilia would have higher Albanian-Greek, than actual Albanians, and Greeks.

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    3/4 aschenazi Sephardi jewish
    and 1/4 bulgarian non jew
    i am not surprised because i probably match in the alleles the sicilian group in this sardinian- sicilian cluster than the sardinian here
    i think i got the east slavic cluster here from my gentile grandmother since i saw results of other
    aschenazi and they don't score east slavic not even the 4 full aschenazi kurd posted in anthrogenica
    p.s
    anyway kurd now want to turn this calculator to k24
    and to take out the west slavic {which my brother and mother score 20%} very confusihg

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    3/4 aschenazi Sephardi jewish
    and 1/4 bulgarian non jew
    i am not surprised because i probably match in the alleles the sicilian group in this sardinian- sicilian cluster than the sardinian here
    i think i got the east slavic cluster here from my gentile grandmother since i saw results of other
    aschenazi and they don't score east slavic not even the 4 full aschenazi kurd posted in anthrogenica
    p.s
    anyway kurd now want to turn this calculator to k24
    and to take out the west slavic {which my brother and mother score 20%} very confusihg
    I don't think it makes sense, because I would be even closer to Sicilians, and I score 0%.

    Gedmatch: Dodecad K12b

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 4.251134
    2 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 4.350428
    3 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 7.258458
    4 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 7.821095
    5 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar @ 7.998691
    6 Greek_Dodecad @ 8.379530
    7 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 11.102301
    8 Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 11.167441
    9 Tuscan_HGDP @ 11.767037
    10 TSI30_Metspalu @ 12.998255

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