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    Ötzi The Movie

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...o-life-on-film

    No corpse has ever been examined so thoroughly, attracted so many admirers, or spawned such an array of relics and souvenirs. The mummified Neolithic male known as Ötzi, whose shrivelled body was discovered with his tools and clothing in a glacier 26 years ago, is now set to experience a further wave of popularity with the release of a biopic offering a fictional account of his life.

    Ötzi’s remains were stumbled across by a German couple, Erika and Helmut Simon, during a summer hike in 1991 in the Ötztal Alps in southern Tyrol. So well preserved was the partially thawed body, the couple initially thought the corpse, nicknamed Ötzi after the valley where it was found, to be relatively new. But forensic tests soon established it to be around 5,300-years-old, making Ötzi the oldest known human mummy. The corpse’s organs, even its skin – covered in 60 tattoos – were intact, making it a unique find and one of the most prized archaeological discoveries of all time.Ötzi has long since become a cause célèbre in the scientific world, with thousands of specialists examining everything from the contents of his stomach to how he died.

    But the Stone Age hunter – who was felled by an arrow that penetrated his left shoulder, causing him to fall and hit his head on a stone, after which he bled to death – has proved just as popular as a tourist attraction. He draws around a quarter of a million visitors every year to the museum in the mountain town of Bolzano, northern Italy, where he is on display in a specially devised cold chamber. He has proved such a lure over the past two decades that the museum, which can only house 300 people, is soon to move to new premises to cope with visitor demand.
    Inspired by Ötzi’s cult status and much of the rich information that scientists have gathered about him and the way in which he lived, German filmmaker Felix Randau has now turned Ötzi’s struggle for survival into a feature film, which is out this month. Der Mann aus dem Eis (Iceman), a collaboration between Germany, Italy and Austria, was shot in the rugged mountains of Bavaria, South Tyrol and Carinthia.

    “The figure of Ötzi, with his mythical grandeur, allowed us to look into the past to see what it tells us about the present,” Randau said in an interview. “It raises the question as to whether humans have really changed at all and developed over 5,000 years.” The film speculates why Ötzi was murdered, the exact details of which are a mystery, despite many theories offered by archaeologists and scientists.

    Played by the German actor Jürgen Vogel, Ötzi – or Kelab, as he is known in the film – speaks an early version of the Rhaetic tongue, a language of the pre-Roman and Roman era in the eastern Alps, for which no translation is given in the film. Kelab lives with goats and pigs, wears animal furs for warmth, and traverses a perilous snowy landscape as he tries to protect himself and his family from the elements and human enemies, while rituals and hunting define his life.

    Critics have so far reserved most of their praise for the cinematography. “Spectacular locations and pure story telling,” said Screen Daily’s film critic, while Der Spiegel magazine said the film had succeeded in underlining the universal fascination for Ötzi, who “is our bridge to the beginning of humanity” and central to “the search for the origins of our own species”.

    But scientists have been less complimentary. Spektrum der Wissenschaft, a scientific magazine, said Randau had missed an opportunity to celebrate “the cultural achievements that science has discovered”, such as how Ötzi made his bows and arrows, gathered his food and made his leather garments.

    But the South Tyrol archaeological museum, which has attracted 4.6 million visitors so far, and whose experts acted as advisers to the film-makers, is now bracing itself for a fresh influx of tourists following the release of the film in the three countries, according to Angelika Fleckinger, director of the South Tyrol Museum of Archaeology. “People are fascinated by the man from the ice – they cannot get enough of him,” she said.
    Souvenir shops in Bolzano have reportedly been stocking up on new items to add to the array of Ötzi memorabilia, including Ötzi mugs, T-shirts, key-rings and iceman mummy jelly babies.

    But a shadow hangs over the iceman’s future, with the experts responsible for keeping Ötzi in as pristine a state as when he was discovered in 1991 issuing a warning amid the euphoria. They suggest that the archaeological treasure’s days may be numbered: he is in serious danger of disintegrating because of over-exposure to both public and scientists. Those who closely monitor the amount of moisture in his body say that, despite their efforts to keep him properly hydrated, Ötzi, who only weighs around 13kg, is losing around two grams a day as he gradually dries out. They say he may have to be removed from public display and packed into ice once again to preserve him.

    Every two months the body is sprayed by forensic scientist Oliver Peschel with a fine layer of water and cooled to form a thin ice layer which covers the entire body, including every fold in the skin. But the hydrating process appears inadequate, as indicated by the weight loss. In addition, there is a fear that microbes might attack the tissue of Ötzi’s body, despite the safety measures being taken. “If we’re not extremely careful, Ötzi will go bad on us,” Peschel said recently.

    Albert Zink, head of Bolzano’s institute for mummy research, who has spent considerable time examining Ötzi, says scientists are in a dilemma. They want to carry out far more research but also to keep Ötzi accessible to the public – without irreparably damaging one of the greatest archaeological finds. “We are far from being finished with him,” said the anthropologist, who has also worked on other mummies, notably the corpse of the Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamun, discovered in 1922.

    Extraordinary detail about Ötzi has been revealed over the past quarter of a century by researchers, from physicists and botanists to doctors and geologists, who have compiled about 800 academic papers on the corpse. They have established everything from Ötzi’s eye colour (brown) to the fact that he would have been around 45 when he died on a spring day (after analysis of the pollen found in his stomach).
    Not only was he lactose intolerant, but he had calcified arteries, whipworm eggs in his intestines, and fleas, as well as tooth decay, inflamed gums, Lyme disease, gallstones and probably suffered from backache. And the fatal arrow that hit his shoulder was fired from a distance of around 30 metres.

    There is still a long list of researchers waiting to carry out experiments on samples of the corpse – one has even requested tissue samples to establish whether Ötzi experimented with natural hallucinators. But many requests are declined, especially from people –mainly from the US – trying to compare their DNA with that of Ötzi.

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    Thanks for the info, Jovialis.

    I'd pass on the movie even if it were free. Of all the stupidity: these genetic clones of Sardinians are suddenly Norwegian looking, and these Copper Age farmers are suddenly mostly hunters.

    Give me a break.

    Poor Otzi: Zink and company are so clueless about what they're doing that he's decomposing, and idiot film makers are making a mockery of him and his people.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Thanks for the info, Jovialis.

    I'd pass on the movie even if it were free. Of all the stupidity: these genetic clones of Sardinians are suddenly Norwegian looking, and these Copper Age farmers are suddenly mostly hunters.

    Give me a break.

    Poor Otzi: Zink and company are so clueless about what they're doing that he's decomposing, and idiot film makers are making a mockery of him and his people.
    That's what I was thinking. They should have gotten a Sardinian to play the role of Otzi.

    The actor doesn't look like Otzi at all.


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    There’s Franco Nero in It.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    That's what I was thinking. They should have gotten a Sardinian to play the role of Otzi.

    The actor doesn't look like Otzi at all.

    The lead actor is not even the worst: it's all the bleached platinum blonde children and women. Did they bother to read about him, his culture, his genetics, at all before they made the movie? Were Zink and company asleep at the wheel?

    Talk about cultural appropriation. :) It's like making a movie about Montezuma and hiring Tom Hiddleston to play him! Or making one about Alexander and having Colin Farrell play him...could anyone watch that movie with a straight face? Then there's Troy...at least Eric Bana looked the part. I don't care if Achilles was supposed to have blonde hair...he didn't look like some corn fed Midwestern American, even is said American had a beautiful body.

    I mean, hello, this is what Sardinian men look like...(Well, Christopher Meloni is half French Canadian)
    https://sites.google.com/site/famous...wPrintDialog=1

    (Sorry, the image won't post.)

    They could have used any of these Sardinian actresses:


    Make Canalis bring her hair back to its natural darker color:



    Is Maria Carta still alive? She could play one of the older women...




    Or, if they don't suit, use Spanish and/or Italian actors and actresses. You go to the extent of filming the movie in Rhaetic, but you totally miscast the actors? I don't get it.

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    I don't think people will care what ethnic group play which characters :)

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    ^^Most people are stupid. They probably first heard about Troy and Achilles and Agamemnon when they saw the movie. You could have set it in Ireland with Jimmy Cagney playing the lead and they wouldn't have known any difference. If you're filming a movie in ancient Rhaetic you're presumably looking for a slightly more upscale and educated audience.

    I think Mexicans would care if Montezuma was played by Tom Hiddleston without altering his appearance. It's disrespectful of the culture you're supposed to be representing when you just ride roughshod over it.

    If you're going to do these kinds of things, do your homework, like Mel Gibson did in Apocalypto. His problems have overshadowed how brilliantly he directed that movie.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3dZeqQkNbY

    Or, how about "The Passion of the Christ"? He didn't bring in someone like Ryan Gosling to play Jesus. OK, he didn't pick a Jewish actor, but he altered his nose, gave him brown eyes, and even darkened his skin slightly, and on and on, in the process making him rather disturbingly more attractive if I'm honest. Mary was played by a Jewish actress, though, and Mary Magdalene was played by Monica Bellucci. He didn't go casting in Norway. The Apostles look reasonably like Judaens, even if the real deal was probably more Levantine looking...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9qCsIPzNo

    Anyway, I know the fate of nations doesn't hang on this, but I find it irritating each and every time they do this.

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    If you pause one of these modern movies about the ancient Mediterranean at just the right moment during a battle scene and invite someone over who knows nothing about it, he'd think he's watching a medieval battle between England and France/Scotland.


    At this rate we'll be seeing Russell Crowe as the Griffon Warrior
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    ^^My God, surely he's now too obscenely fat and sloppy?

    On the other hand, if Gerard Butler can be Leonidas with a Scots accent and we can have black Persians...

    At least they had the grace to put brown contacts in and dye his hair. :)

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    Alright 300, that was a sick movie!

    Well ok based on my recollection of enjoying it when it came out. It may not have aged well.

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    Otzi would make a good episode for the ID Channel: who dunnit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Alright 300, that was a sick movie!

    Well ok based on my recollection of enjoying it when it came out. It may not have aged well.
    The movie did have some pretty sweet boss battles as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^My God, surely he's now too obscenely fat and sloppy?

    On the other hand, if Gerard Butler can be Leonidas with a Scots accent and we can have black Persians...

    At least they had the grace to put brown contacts in and dye his hair. :)

    You reminded me of my teenager times back in school and everyone used to shout this out all the time and also the remix of this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdeoF View Post
    You reminded me of my teenager times back in school and everyone used to shout this out all the time and also the remix of this!
    Do you mean this remix?

    Helluva good start!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elghund View Post
    Do you mean this remix?

    Helluva good start!
    Nope I mean this. It was the golden years on youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYZRskNV3w

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    Quote Originally Posted by elghund View Post
    Otzi would make a good episode for the ID Channel: who dunnit?
    Yeah but what a way to end it, the poor guy was already suffering from Lyme, left untreated can destroy your body. He didn't need an arrow through a shoulder and a cracked cranium on top of all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdeoF View Post
    Nope I mean this. It was the golden years on youtube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYZRskNV3w
    I hate to admit it but it's really funny. :)

    1:18
    I saw that in real time: Wow!
    That wasn't the great match, though: it was the Italy/Germany game. Ultimately the most satisfying soccer match I've ever watched in my life, but also the most frustrating and suspenseful. I almost had a heart attack. My children pretended not to know me.:)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWl_VDHxGU

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    King Xerxes was absolutely awesome looking in that movie, would love to deck out in that wardrobe. I'm going back in time for that throne
    IMG_1268.jpg

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    IMG_1271.JPGAwesome character design!

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    THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGW OF UTOOB THIS ISSSS SPAAAARTTTGANON !!!!!!!!!!!'nn

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eAgZY-9JWf4#

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    Couldn't finish it due to internet but let me know how it goes I'll be glad to know how you like it. Gotta get stuff done for tomorrow. SPARTA!! Lol! good night everyone. Love u all, and love me back. Love the world, peace!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^Most people are stupid. They probably first heard about Troy and Achilles and Agamemnon when they saw the movie. You could have set it in Ireland with Jimmy Cagney playing the lead and they wouldn't have known any difference. If you're filming a movie in ancient Rhaetic you're presumably looking for a slightly more upscale and educated audience.

    I think Mexicans would care if Montezuma was played by Tom Hiddleston without altering his appearance. It's disrespectful of the culture you're supposed to be representing when you just ride roughshod over it.

    If you're going to do these kinds of things, do your homework, like Mel Gibson did in Apocalypto. His problems have overshadowed how brilliantly he directed that movie.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3dZeqQkNbY

    Or, how about "The Passion of the Christ"? He didn't bring in someone like Ryan Gosling to play Jesus. OK, he didn't pick a Jewish actor, but he altered his nose, gave him brown eyes, and even darkened his skin slightly, and on and on, in the process making him rather disturbingly more attractive if I'm honest. Mary was played by a Jewish actress, though, and Mary Magdalene was played by Monica Bellucci. He didn't go casting in Norway. The Apostles look reasonably like Judaens, even if the real deal was probably more Levantine looking...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9qCsIPzNo

    Anyway, I know the fate of nations doesn't hang on this, but I find it irritating each and every time they do this.
    What's rheatic? Never heard of that in my life until that post, time for google. I go there after reading at least ninety percent of your posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Couldn't finish it due to internet but let me know how it goes I'll be glad to know how you like it. Gotta get stuff done for tomorrow. SPARTA!! Lol! good night everyone. Love u all, and love me back. Love the world, peace!

    Youtube poop memories, oh gosh the nostalgic times!!

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    I would not mind to see Otzi the movie but yeah it should have a Sardinian actor as him or someone who has Y-DNA haplogroup G at least since Otzi had that too. Anyways the actor does not look that that different to him but I won't broad the hype train on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    What's rheatic? Never heard of that in my life until that post, time for google. I go there after reading at least ninety percent of your posts
    I don't think you'll find it spelled like that.

    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_language

    The majority view is that this language is not Indo-European, but is instead related to Etruscan, although the makers might prefer to think otherwise.

    So, although I guess they could be applauded for making an attempt to use an ancient language for the movie, as Gibson did in "The Passion of the Christ", for example, it's still a mistake, because that is highly unlikely to be a Copper Age Italian language. It's too young for that.

    This entire movie looks like a view of Otzi from before they did any genetic analysis, i.e. all the speculation that he was some Indo-European Copper Age migrant from the steppes. HE WASN'T. He was close to being a Neolithic farmer from Anatolia.

    Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it just smells like another "Nordic" attempt to appropriate Southern European history and accomplishments. It's either that or abject stupidity. Take your pick.

    If I had the time to track down the producers and the director I'd tell them exactly how I feel about it. So there! :)

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