Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 5 of 8 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 182

Thread: First modern Britons had 'dark to black' skin, Cheddar Man DNA analysis reveals

  1. #101
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    17-03-16
    Posts
    526
    Points
    5,076
    Level
    21
    Points: 5,076, Level: 21
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 474
    Overall activity: 30.0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Ed the Red View Post
    That statement speaks for itself, I don't even have to reply. But I will say as a "Nordic" which is just the French word for North, why would you automatically relate it to neo-nazi? I will freely use that word as it has no original connotation to "neo-nazism" and I will freely call myself "Nordic"
    The people who say the belong to a 'Nordic race' are more likely to believe in racial hierarchy and racial supremacist pseudo-scientific theories.

    The word 'northern' is less loaded.

  2. #102
    Moderator Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree Friends25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Most Popular

    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    1,727
    Points
    26,994
    Level
    50
    Points: 26,994, Level: 50
    Level completed: 45%, Points required for next Level: 556
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed the Red View Post
    That statement speaks for itself, I don't even have to reply. But I will say as a "Nordic" which is just the French word for North, why would you automatically relate it to neo-nazi? I will freely use that word as it has no original connotation to "neo-nazism" and I will freely call myself "Nordic"
    Well, there is a very clear suffix distinguishing Nordic from Nordicist. A Nordicist, much like an Afrocentrist, belongs to a particular ideology that strives to demonstrate the superiority of Nordic people and has a view of history and genetics mostly as centered around the Nordic peoples (most often without any reliable scientific evidence). So, unless you identify with that, you probably shouldn't feel harmed by people making fun of Nordicists.

  3. #103
    Moderator Achievements:
    Three FriendsTagger First Class1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    2,915
    Points
    96,054
    Level
    96
    Points: 96,054, Level: 96
    Level completed: 51%, Points required for next Level: 996
    Overall activity: 99.3%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1a2b1 (R-F1794)
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    It would be considered breaking the rules if you continue to go off topic. Now, let's get back to discussing Cheddar man.
    The very next person to derail this thread with a post relating to davef's comment is getting a 4 point infraction for not respecting a moderator's warning.

    Get back to cheddar man.

  4. #104
    Moderator Achievements:
    Three FriendsTagger First Class1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    2,915
    Points
    96,054
    Level
    96
    Points: 96,054, Level: 96
    Level completed: 51%, Points required for next Level: 996
    Overall activity: 99.3%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1a2b1 (R-F1794)
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Well, there is a very clear suffix distinguishing Nordic from Nordicist. A Nordicist, much like an Afrocentrist, belongs to a particular ideology that strives to demonstrate the superiority of Nordic people and has a view of history and genetics mostly as centered around the Nordic peoples (most often without any reliable scientific evidence). So, unless you identify with that, you probably shouldn't feel harmed by people making fun of Nordicists.
    Correct.

    Also, you can make fun of nordicism, and racism, just as long as it is not done in a vulgar manner.

    However, it will no longer be discussed here. Again, let's please get back to cheddar man.

  5. #105
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Carlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    1,700
    Points
    21,156
    Level
    44
    Points: 21,156, Level: 44
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 494
    Overall activity: 79.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E-BY7449*>YF66572
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1c5c1

    Ethnic group
    España
    Country: Spain



    0 out of 3 members found this post helpful.
    I think it's a joke, a circus. I think this has been done by the English prince's girlfriend, the second of Lady Di's children, this one is like a redhead who has taken a girlfriend who looks African-American, I think the shots go around, what I would think even worse because giving an identity or false characteristics to anyone even a body of the Neolithic would seem to me cultural fascism, and that is what is currently happening in Europe, it seems that we have to understand everything and accept everything is going to produce the opposite effect, finally going against ourselves while at the same time claiming to be the most understanding and tolerant in the world. A tremendous mental cocoa of concepts that will finally end Europe for that reason I believe that if that reconstruction is false it is a serious crime against the truth and against our ancestors, if the reconstruction is true they have to prove it and then it will be accepted. The big problem is the lie, not the skin color, if not the lie, it would be intolerable.

  6. #106
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    16-08-17
    Posts
    96
    Points
    1,751
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,751, Level: 11
    Level completed: 67%, Points required for next Level: 99
    Overall activity: 3.0%


    Country: Canada-British Columbia



    Honestly though I would say from dark skin to black is a big jump seriously. I'm a pale white European and if I was to hear dark skin I would say southern Europeans have dark skin, especially most of their ability to tan. I obviously wouldn't call them black. Do you understand the interpretation that I'm sure many of us are experiencing.

  7. #107
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    04-02-18
    Posts
    110
    Points
    1,652
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,652, Level: 11
    Level completed: 34%, Points required for next Level: 198
    Overall activity: 5.0%


    Country: USA - Connecticut



    Thanks for your series of remarks and the potential for a dialogue long overdue.
    Why is so much of life all or nothing? What had started as a contradiction adds a further truth. The flood tide of new ideas is one of the reasons that having this conversation or any at this level of cognition is more frightening than it's been in a long, long, time. I'm thankful to be here this morning and to be allowed a chance to listen and at the right moment attempt to share an idea.

  8. #108
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Carlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    1,700
    Points
    21,156
    Level
    44
    Points: 21,156, Level: 44
    Level completed: 46%, Points required for next Level: 494
    Overall activity: 79.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    E-BY7449*>YF66572
    MtDNA haplogroup
    J1c5c1

    Ethnic group
    España
    Country: Spain



    [QUOTE = Ed the Red; 532839] Honestamente, yo diría que de piel oscura a negra es un gran salto en serio. Soy un europeo blanco pálido y, si tuviera que oír la piel oscura, diría que los europeos del sur tienen la piel oscura, especialmente la mayor parte de su capacidad para broncearse. Obviamente no los llamaría negros. ¿Entiende la interpretación que estoy seguro que muchos de nosotros estamos experimentando? [/ QUOTE]


    ​Southern Europeans have the ability to tan after a lot of sacrifice and indiscriminately sunbathe, especially when the fashion of tanning emerges as a sign of being a healthy person, athlete or living a life of leisure and entertainment abroad enjoying every moment abroad. It is not overnight, it is years of effort to peel in the sun, not to use sunscreen with protection, and finally after just touching the sun you are already tanned. In the 70s and 80s, many construction workers saw their faces and arms with the marked brown shirt, now they have not seen each other again because in their spare time they were already going to the beach to sunbathe. integral way On the other hand in the southern countries you can see the skin too pale as a sign of the opposite that represents the brown skin bone of the Nordic skin is seen as a sign of disease, weakness, boredom, lack of life abroad. There are Moroccans in Spain who are whiter than the Spaniards, they go to the beach at night.

  9. #109
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    This is supposed to be at least vaguely about science. Scientists use agreed upon scales of pigmentation. In this particular case the researchers specifically stated that the probability was that his pigmentation was within the last two categories.



    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  10. #110
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    70
    Posts
    4,404
    Points
    39,556
    Level
    61
    Points: 39,556, Level: 61
    Level completed: 39%, Points required for next Level: 794
    Overall activity: 26.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    (polite) debate to be send to 'pigmentation' in 'anthropo'!
    new skin lightening mutations could be discovered, which did not affect the most of modern 'europoids' or 'east-asians' (the reasons they could not have been discovered for statistical and lack ancient skins reasons) - that said, if the case, they would not strengthen the psychologic links between "modern whites" and "ancient white or not-black WHG's" because the mutations would not be the same ones for a lot of us! but it is still an hypothesis.
    &: 'nordic' is not quite 'northern' but none of both words, like other specific words, deserves affective or political prejudices, open or concealed. It's boring.

  11. #111
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered25000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Community Award
    Salento's Avatar
    Join Date
    31-05-17
    Posts
    2,881
    Points
    35,228
    Level
    57
    Points: 35,228, Level: 57
    Level completed: 82%, Points required for next Level: 222
    Overall activity: 99.2%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12a

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    I wonder what “Cheddy” would think about all the Controversy about his Appearances.
    He would probably say: “ and, Who’s the Caveman again ? “
    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

  12. #112
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Since people in other forums can't seem to get it right: this is NOT based on an algorithm which uses eight snps. It uses THIRTY-SIX snps. Could we get the facts straight before we discuss interpretation and outside probabilities? Also, sorry to disabuse, but it's not based on an "American" view of skin pigementation. The testing was based on this paper:

    See: Susan Walsh et al
    "Global Skin Color Prediction From DNA"

    https://link.springer.com/article/10...439-017-1808-5


    "Here, we investigate the skin colour predictive value of 77 single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) from 37 genetic loci previously associated with human pigmentation using 2025 individuals from 31 global populations. We identified a minimal set of 36 highly informative skin colour predictive SNPs and developed a statistical prediction model capable of skin colour prediction on a global scale. Average cross-validated prediction accuracies expressed as area under the receiver-operating characteristic curve (AUC) ± standard deviation were 0.97 ± 0.02 for Light, 0.83 ± 0.11 for Dark, and 0.96 ± 0.03 for Dark-Black. When using a 5-category, this resulted in 0.74 ± 0.05 for Very Pale, 0.72 ± 0.03 for Pale, 0.73 ± 0.03 for Intermediate, 0.87±0.1 for Dark, and 0.97 ± 0.03 for Dark-Black. "

    Also, for the hundredth time, the possession of a single derived snp for, say, red hair is IRRELEVANT. The science is clear: these derived snps work TOGETHER. They affect different parts of the chain. You need a combination of them for a trait to be expressed.

  13. #113
    Advisor Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    bicicleur's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-01-13
    Location
    Zwevegem, Belgium
    Posts
    5,382
    Points
    47,218
    Level
    67
    Points: 47,218, Level: 67
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,132
    Overall activity: 54.0%


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    This is supposed to be at least vaguely about science. Scientists use agreed upon scales of pigmentation. In this particular case the researchers specifically stated that the probability was that his pigmentation was within the last two categories.

    and so there would be a correlation between these categories and certain genes

    oddly enough, 1 & 2 are depicted with blue eyes, while 3-6 are depicted wiht ever darker eyes

  14. #114
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience Points
    AdeoF's Avatar
    Join Date
    06-03-13
    Location
    London - England
    Posts
    251
    Points
    5,643
    Level
    22
    Points: 5,643, Level: 22
    Level completed: 19%, Points required for next Level: 407
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-L21 (R-DF13)
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H1 (H1h1) or (H1e1)

    Ethnic group
    Spanish
    Country: UK - England



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I wonder what “Cheddy” would think about all the Controversy about his Appearances.
    He would probably say: “ and, Who’s the Caveman again ? “
    He would think like. "Why are these people making a big fuss about my skin colour, I look the same just like everyone else"

  15. #115
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    04-02-18
    Posts
    110
    Points
    1,652
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,652, Level: 11
    Level completed: 34%, Points required for next Level: 198
    Overall activity: 5.0%


    Country: USA - Connecticut



    FIFTY SHADES OF BLACK or is it FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY?

    Global skin colour prediction from DNA





    • Susan WalshEmail author
    • Lakshmi Chaitanya
    • Krystal Breslin
    • Charanya Muralidharan
    • Agnieszka Bronikowska
    • Ewelina Pospiech
    • Julia Koller
    • Leda Kovatsi
    • Andreas Wollstein
    • Wojciech Branicki
    • Fan Liu
    • Manfred KayserEmail author




    Predicting phenotypes from genotypes is a component of complex genetics that has etched its way into many disciplines including personalized medicine, forensic genetics, anthropological genetics, and consumer genetics, depending on the particular phenotype that is predicted from DNA information. The ability to predict human phenotypes with genetic markers has been of continual interest and significant progress has been made, not only in these applied disciplines, but also to more fundamental genetics researchers as it paves the way to find out why certain DNA markers are found to be associated with certain phenotypic traits.

    Thinking about the explosive conversations that still exist within all of us it's a bit confusing.

  16. #116
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    and so there would be a correlation between these categories and certain genes

    oddly enough, 1 & 2 are depicted with blue eyes, while 3-6 are depicted wiht ever darker eyes
    That color chart is just one of those that are used normally in forensics. It's based on probabilities. Most "very fair" skinned people in modern populations are blue eyed. However, not all. I'm in category one and have brown eyes. It's not common, but it happens.



    If you go to the text of the paper and scroll down you'll see the color chart the authors of that paper were using. The actual test based on that probably has a shortened chart. Regardless, the strong probability based on 36 snps was dark brown-black. Based on current knowledge of pigmentation that's as much as they can say.

    It would be interesting to see the prediction for samples like Loschbour, LaBrana, Bichon, Villabruna, etc., to see if there was some variation among the WHG. This test wasn't available when those studies and predictions were published.

  17. #117
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    15-07-17
    Posts
    40
    Points
    1,520
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,520, Level: 10
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 30
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada-Ontario



    screenshot of email of skin pigmentation results
    edit: from documentary

    Screenshot (33).jpg

    Screenshot (35).jpg

    To: Yoan Diekmann
    Cc: Thomas, Mark
    Ok Yoan,
    Sorry for the delay on this.
    I have done the below individual (in this email) as their coverage was much better. I only had 3 snps ... [text cut off screen] ... heterozygote at the sites did not alter the prediction below significantly. It was still around the ... [text cut off screen] ... Second issue was assuming 0 for two sites that you were missing rs12896399 (genotype GG) and ... [text cut off screen] ...

    SKIN Prob
    Very Pale 0.000
    Pale 0.000
    Int. 0.035
    Dark 0.199
    Dark-Black 0.766

    Adjusting for the extremes, if rs12896399 had one or two T alleles present, this raised dark to ... [text cut off screen] ...
    Also, adjusting for the BNC2 rs10756819, which also wasn't available, if it had the G allele present ... [text cut off screen] ...

    So all in all, it is a dark to black skin colour individual. Interestingly with intermediate eye colour ... [text cut off screen] ... can't say for sure. Though certainly I would doubt he was dark brown.

    As for hair, I'm missing too many MC1R mutations that impact red, and therefore more brown ... [text cut off screen] ... would be a dark brown to black haired individual, certainly not the true black of an Asian ... [text cut off screen] ...

    I've attached a little image that reflects the range of these values (.7-.8), I didn't go to 0.9 ... [text cut off screen] ... can give really.

    As for the lesser coverage individual, missing 10 varients make this too difficult to call, ... [text cut off screen] ... would be the same as the above individual at all.

    ... [text cut off screen]


    Tom Booth - surrogate analysis.png
    Last edited by TopLobster; 19-02-18 at 00:05.

  18. #118
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    ^^If those are hacked, remove them right away.

  19. #119
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    15-07-17
    Posts
    40
    Points
    1,520
    Level
    10
    Points: 1,520, Level: 10
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 30
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    ^^If those are hacked, remove them right away.
    They are shown on the documentary.

  20. #120
    Moderator Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree Friends25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Most Popular

    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    1,727
    Points
    26,994
    Level
    50
    Points: 26,994, Level: 50
    Level completed: 45%, Points required for next Level: 556
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    I think it's a joke, a circus. I think this has been done by the English prince's girlfriend, the second of Lady Di's children, this one is like a redhead who has taken a girlfriend who looks African-American, I think the shots go around, what I would think even worse because giving an identity or false characteristics to anyone even a body of the Neolithic would seem to me cultural fascism, and that is what is currently happening in Europe, it seems that we have to understand everything and accept everything is going to produce the opposite effect, finally going against ourselves while at the same time claiming to be the most understanding and tolerant in the world. A tremendous mental cocoa of concepts that will finally end Europe for that reason I believe that if that reconstruction is false it is a serious crime against the truth and against our ancestors, if the reconstruction is true they have to prove it and then it will be accepted. The big problem is the lie, not the skin color, if not the lie, it would be intolerable.
    How at all can you say that the reconstruction is a sign of cultural fascism, a joke, a circus, and so on, if you immediately afterwards say that you don't know if the reconstruction is a lie or not? They have made serious research on the ancient remains, analyzed the DNA, and have already announed that they are going to publish a study about their analyses. On the other hand, what do those who cry "joke, circus, lie!" have to say? Their own opinion, nothing else?

  21. #121
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by TopLobster View Post
    They are shown on the documentary.
    OK, I see that now. Sorry for the suspicion. A lot of questionable stuff is put on the internet.

    It's good to have the actual color chart as well.

    I was skeptical he was quite this dark, but as I said, given the information we have now, and the latest test running 36 snps, he was dark brown to black.

  22. #122
    Moderator Achievements:
    Tagger Second ClassThree Friends25000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Most Popular

    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    1,727
    Points
    26,994
    Level
    50
    Points: 26,994, Level: 50
    Level completed: 45%, Points required for next Level: 556
    Overall activity: 0%


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by TopLobster View Post
    So all in all, it is a dark to black skin colour individual. Interestingly with intermediate eye colour ... [text cut off screen] ... can't say for sure. Though certainly I would doubt he was dark brown.

    As for hair, I'm missing too many MC1R mutations that impact red, and therefore more brown ... [text cut off screen] ... would be a dark brown to black haired individual, certainly not the true black of an Asian ... [text cut off screen] ...

    I've attached a little image that reflects the range of these values (.7-.8), I didn't go to 0.9 ... [text cut off screen] ... can give really.

    As for the lesser coverage individual, missing 10 varients make this too difficult to call, ... [text cut off screen] ... would be the same as the above individual at all.

    ... [text cut off screen]


    Tom Booth - surrogate analysis.png
    Objectively, what do they mean by "dark-black" in comparison to simply "dark"? I'd like to know what degree of pigmentation is assigned to those categories. Would a typical Khoisan (which is my personal "intuitive" stance about the real skin color of the WHG) be "dark-black" or just "dark" according to their analyses? I'm supposing that, since the category implies a wide range of phenotypes from dark to really very dark (black), then there is still a discussion on whether Cheddar Man was as dark, almost Australian Melanesian-like, as the reconstruction they did, or more dark "chocolate" like many dark-skinned Africans such as the Igbo, Eritreans or Khoi-Sans.

  23. #123
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    15,561
    Points
    296,507
    Level
    100
    Points: 296,507, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Sorry to interject, but from the color chart shown in the documentary, I think the Khoisan would be "dark", not "dark-black".

    [IMG][/IMG]

  24. #124
    Regular Member Achievements:
    500 Experience Points1 year registered

    Join Date
    29-05-17
    Posts
    107
    Points
    421
    Level
    4
    Points: 421, Level: 4
    Level completed: 72%, Points required for next Level: 29
    Overall activity: 6.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R-M222
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H1A

    Country: United Kingdom



    1 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    On the show they spoke about the 5000 years older remains that they found and that they tested those and they didnt match chedder mans.
    They said they all must have turned around and left. lol That was it. They made a massive point about the first britain being black and seemed
    to forget the fact that there might be others around. After all he did have a tennis ball sized hole in his head and i doubt it was done by his mates.

    I was wanting to hear there story of why man was at chedder gorge in the first place and they didnt disappoint, it started with the old herding animals into a gully to trap them, onto the rich and teaming surroundings and finished up with the old ritual chestnut lol. what nonsense.
    Why make a silly story when they havent got a clue ?
    Not one mention of mining or do they think the gods gave them there weapons after the ritual ?

    I would be interested to see were native americans fall on the 5 group chart, if they fall inside the second to last aswell it would be clear the model makers went over the top.

  25. #125
    Advisor Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points
    bicicleur's Avatar
    Join Date
    27-01-13
    Location
    Zwevegem, Belgium
    Posts
    5,382
    Points
    47,218
    Level
    67
    Points: 47,218, Level: 67
    Level completed: 20%, Points required for next Level: 1,132
    Overall activity: 54.0%


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    nothing has been said yet, but I suppose the 10 ka Cheddar man matches inside the Villabruna cluster, who replaced the Magdalenian El Miron cluster 15 ka
    I suspect the 15 ka Cheddar man is Magdalenian

Page 5 of 8 FirstFirst ... 34567 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •