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Thread: Understanding 6th-Cent Barbarian Social Organization & Migration thru Paleogenomics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I can see where the locals are, and where the Germanics are. :)

    Distance to: Angela
    6.46676117 SZ43
    7.88178279 CL36
    8.36475343 SZ28
    9.17988562 SZ31
    9.21016829 CL23
    10.41424025 SZ36
    12.03847582 SZ19
    13.46236235 CL121
    13.64184738 SZ37
    13.75852463 SZ40
    14.98977652 CL49
    15.28010471 CL94
    15.45590826 SZ1
    18.31423490 CL47
    18.74603958 CL110
    19.23289630 SZ45
    19.41088870 CL57
    19.69635753 SZ27
    20.23486595 CL102
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    21.87732388 CL25
    21.92327074 CL53
    22.38530321 CL63
    22.54289689 SZ6
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    24.87802444 CL31
    25.30196040 CL38
    25.77662119 SZ8
    26.01374252 CL30
    26.34819538 SZ3
    28.14467800 SZ35
    28.53845476 CL97
    29.06323795 SZ23
    30.40050657 SZ14
    30.73170350 SZ38
    31.38078552 CL87
    32.23384867 SZ42
    32.39700603 SZ30
    32.73854914 SZ24
    32.78214758 SZ12
    33.55152158 SZ11
    34.32145976 SZ15
    34.33362929 SZ25
    34.96199794 CL83
    35.22221032 SZ7
    35.75875837 CL84
    36.47753418 SZ22
    36.86300720 SZ13
    37.47259532 CL92

    I don't get very close fits; I don't get close fits on gedmatch either.

    This is the best..

    Target: Angela
    Distance: 5.4553% / 5.45531241 | ADC: 0.5x
    45.8 SZ43
    32.6 SZ28
    21.6 SZ19




    Distance to: SZ43
    3.22347173 Italy_Tuscany
    3.67599497 Italy_Emilia
    3.76627137 Italy_Romagna
    4.34573148 Italy_Liguria
    5.98984105 Italy_Veneto
    6.14160708 Italy_Lombardy
    6.66834463 Italy_Piedmont
    6.80685669 Italy_Marche
    6.83240397 Italy_Lazio
    7.08566271 France_Corsica
    8.15740155 Albanian_Kosovo
    8.31026931 Italy_FriuliVG
    8.45714491 Albanian_North
    9.51176443 Swiss_Italian
    10.06146411 Italy_Trentino
    12.47558791 Italy_Abruzzo
    13.21395122 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    13.42635468 Macedonian
    13.48384589 Gagauz
    14.15735851 Greek
    14.17751628 Italy_Apulia
    15.21394446 Italy_Campania
    15.75183164 Pomak
    15.86236631 Italy_Sicily
    17.08022248 Bulgarians

    Distance to: SZ28
    3.15688415 Italy_Lombardy
    3.68586183 Italy_Veneto
    4.18856241 Italy_Piedmont
    4.35651954 Swiss_Italian
    4.71988328 Italy_Liguria
    5.48467319 Italy_Trentino
    5.55766417 Italy_Emilia
    6.21216516 Italy_FriuliVG
    6.92259128 Italy_Tuscany
    8.29791210 Italy_Aosta_Valley
    9.19060934 Italy_Romagna
    9.78190554 France_Corsica
    11.12790187 Albanian_North
    11.51133789 Albanian_Kosovo
    12.48216864 Italy_Lazio
    12.51259198 Italy_Marche
    13.76495914 Macedonian
    14.89189377 Baleares
    15.67665143 Gagauz
    16.13758036 Galicia
    16.55178238 Pomak
    17.28839206 Extremadura
    17.83082724 Portuguese
    18.07756897 Romanians
    18.11171168 Bulgarians

    Distance to: SZ19
    9.50406745 Italy_Marche
    9.76339214 Italy_Campania
    10.06507326 Italy_Abruzzo
    10.27952820 Greek
    10.81723504 Italy_Lazio
    11.13217122 France_Corsica
    11.28365632 Italy_Romagna
    11.75672425 Italy_Sicily
    12.19551967 Ashkenazi
    12.21422743 Italy_Calabria
    12.24901580 Italy_Apulia
    12.71852193 Ashkenazy_Jews
    13.08157445 Italy_Tuscany
    14.63705267 Italy_Emilia
    15.20139172 Italy_Liguria
    15.72546661 Greek_Crete
    16.03143475 Albanian_Kosovo
    16.15626504 Sephardic_Jews
    16.85413896 Albanian_North
    17.28014796 Italy_Lombardy
    18.05386108 Morocco_Jews
    18.42836177 Italy_Veneto
    18.70324892 Italy_Piedmont
    18.93550369 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
    20.45296350 Italy_FriuliVG


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    mine .......................which are the Germanics?

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.82277928 Collegno23
    6.00532264 Szolad28
    6.60955369 Collegno49
    6.93799683 Collegno94
    7.62312272 Collegno57
    7.70831369 Collegno36
    7.72828571 Collegno47
    7.93197958 Szolad45
    8.04854024 Szolad43
    8.12515231 Szolad27
    9.50909039 Collegno102
    9.57848631 Szolad18
    9.71251255 Szolad31
    10.29711610 Szolad36
    10.30020874 Szolad1
    11.11805738 Collegno63
    11.31026083 Szolad37
    11.39341915 Collegno53
    11.80897963 Szolad6
    12.50922460 Szolad5
    15.35938801 Szolad8
    16.17804067 Szolad3
    17.42612981 Collegno121
    17.49300432 Collegno97
    18.09335790 Szolad23


    51.6 Collegno23
    27.2 Szolad27
    14.8 Szolad28
    6.4 Collegno47



    my father below
    Distance to: PonzanoK12b
    5.67751706 Collegno49
    5.95225167 Szolad28
    6.08940063 Collegno47
    6.10329419 Collegno23
    6.37341353 Collegno94
    6.61260161 Szolad45
    7.21248917 Collegno57
    8.10768771 Collegno102
    8.39875586 Szolad27
    8.68036866 Szolad18
    9.25234565 Collegno36
    9.39199659 Szolad43
    10.01059439 Szolad6
    10.70744601 Collegno63
    10.81569693 Szolad1
    10.94461055 Szolad31
    11.36055456 Szolad36
    11.44666764 Collegno53
    11.56374939 Szolad5
    12.27215547 Szolad37
    14.14405175 Szolad8
    15.19414361 Szolad3
    16.54548881 Collegno97
    17.22175949 Szolad23
    18.43368655 Szolad14
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    mine .......................which are the Germanics?



    They come very close to my sample.



    SZ7 is even from all ancients samples the closest match.

    Match top three:





    That would make the Germanic picture clear, but I have doubts because the Celtic vs Germanic PCA of Eurogenes has more focus on recent drift.

    The picture is different:


    So what's most close to the Germanics?

    A practical solution would be if you have only G25 than my initial distances are ok.

    Last edited by Northener; 17-02-20 at 12:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post


    They come very close to my sample.



    SZ7 is even from all ancients samples the closest match.

    Match top three:





    That would make the Germanic picture clear, but I have doubts because the Celtic vs Germanic PCA of Eurogenes has more focus on recent drift.

    The picture is different:


    So what's most close to the Germanics?

    A practical solution would be if you have only G25 than my initial distances are ok.


    I have G25 and here below is my results against the scythians ( getae-thracians )

    0.03215508 ScythiansEU_MA_ACD_NW_54
    0.04234237 Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy305
    0.04536127 Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy197
    0.04889319 Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy300
    0.05228462 Getae:Scythians_MDA_scy192
    0.06228043 GermanicsEU_MA_AED_1135
    0.06614894 Getae:UKR_Cimmerian_MJ12
    0.06967941 Goths:UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky_MJ37
    0.07145475 Thracians:BGR_IA_I5769
    0.08030358 Scythians:Scythians_UKR_scy010

    and or this

    0.01844831 IBERIAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36
    0.01939716 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Scythian_Moldova:scy305
    0.02074078 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN::Germany_Medieval_ACD:NW_54
    0.02078750 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ37
    0.02215920 IBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892
    0.02454689 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Scythian_Moldova:scy197
    0.02488735 GRECO-ROMAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL121
    0.02665746 IBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895
    0.02682257 GRECO-ROMAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43
    0.02767562 CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673
    0.02947338 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ32
    0.03009252 GERMANIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ23
    0.03143390 IBERIAN:Germany_Roman:FN_2
    0.03181886 CELTIC:England_Roman:3DT16
    0.03216209 CELTIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ14
    0.03347536 ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN:Balkans_IA:I5769
    0.03365293 AQUITANIAN:Iberia_North_IA:I3758
    0.03389602 CELTIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ8
    0.03398367 CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777
    0.03483848 GERMANIC:Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42
    0.03484494 CELTIC:England_Roman:6DT22
    0.03506722 CELTIBERIAN:Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162
    0.03543713 GERMANIC:Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_220
    0.03579665 GRECO-ROMAN:Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL25
    0.03619876 IBERIAN:Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585

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