Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

**Salento** · 20-03-18, 22:55

Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.

**Salento** · 20-03-18, 22:59

Originally Posted by Salento

Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.

lol this Fossil scores more Italian than me. (I’m 27.65 IT on K36)

**Salento** · 21-03-18, 04:00

Golden Man var43 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
Kit Z002783 (11K SNP’s only - limited accuracy)

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1ENF60.72
2WHG29.03
3CHG10.25

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Sardinian10.58
2Sicilian18.4
3Italian_South21.11
4Sephardic_Jew21.34
5Tuscan22.18
6Spanish_Southwest22.31
7Ashkenazi_Jew24.14
8Italian_North24.33
9Albanian25.63
10Spanish_Northeast25.71
11Moroccan26.32
12Greek26.38
13Tunisian26.64
14Cypriot26.97
15Lebanese30.55
16Egyptian30.67
17Basque_Spanish30.75
18Jordanian31.13
19Algerian31.16
20Bulgarian31.35

**Sile** · 20-04-18, 23:45

a bit on the varna gold

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nf52u

**Salento** · 21-04-18, 04:12

Originally Posted by Sile

a bit on the varna gold

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nf52u

Interesting video. After the Flood, the few survivors spread all over. Just like the Y T.

**nancyburson** · 13-03-19, 21:27

How do you know Zeffirelli is a J2? I have heard that he is only related to Da Vinci by marriage.

Thank you

**BMW** · 22-11-19, 23:11

Originally Posted by Alpenjager

Among the several samples found in the recently published Mathieson et al study is found the sample of a Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture, this ruler was the priest-king of a powerful metallurgical civilisation (the earliest major assemblage of gold artifacts anywhere in the world), with male dominance and the first fully developed hierarchy.
His grave counts with around 1000 pieces of Gold like a War Axe, Bulls and a penis protection. This is the most richest grave in the world at this time period, as far as known.

He is found to be positive for T-M184 equivalent SNPs:
Y3804/FGC1231+
Z7767/FGC1179+

This sample: ANI152 / VAR43 is dated as 6495yBP and his mtDNA is U2

Attachment 9777 Attachment 9775 Attachment 9774 Attachment 9773 Attachment 9772

Hello to all!

I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
What significance should I read into that?

**Salento** · 22-11-19, 23:58

Originally Posted by BMW

Hello to all!

I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
What significance should I read into that?

All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

Papà below: lol

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 01:04

Originally Posted by Salento

All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

Papà below: lol

ooooo my Papaaaaa

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 01:26

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html appears to have CTS8489 right where the Elite leader of the Varna Culture ( western Black sea coast ) would have been.

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 14:59

"All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?

**Salento** · 23-11-19, 15:59

Originally Posted by BMW

"All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?

The Varna sample is way too young to be directly related to the first T-M184, by thousands of years.

The T-M184 that you posted is the Golden Man from the Varna culture.

the image I posted is supposedly from a real recreation.

Golden Man is the nickname of ANI152 VAR 43

... Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...

... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...

http://badamba.info/english/en_live/...rcheology.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 19:54

I get all of that....for the most part.
Just wondering if sharing SNPs with him tends to favor more towards him being a direct ancestor....as opposed to an incredibly distant "cousin".

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 22:28

This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/

**torzio** · 23-11-19, 23:00

Originally Posted by BMW

This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/

You need to include this
https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna

**BMW** · 23-11-19, 23:24

Originally Posted by torzio

You need to include this
https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna

Thanks for that, torzio.

**torzio** · 17-12-19, 07:02

There is still no morereads on Golden man except M184 snp

There is reads on the third neolithic karsdorf T sample KARS537.....using BWA MEM

he is the same as the other 2 samples I0795 and I0797 ...which is T-Y63197 ( x Y152024)

**Salento** · 19-03-21, 00:02

one to one

R1 vs var43 (Golden Man)

Largest seg. 9.5 cM
Half seg. 21.9 cM

**Salento** · 19-03-21, 01:27

one to one

Golden Man vs Salento

Largest seg. 12.8 cM
Half seg. 49.9 cM

**Salento** · 19-03-21, 03:54

@Torzio

... unrelated to y T, but ... :

one to one

SZ1 vs R1

Largest Segment 4.6 cM

**Salento** · 19-03-21, 04:07

Golden Man vs SZ1

Largest seg. 18.1 cM

**torzio** · 19-03-21, 07:21

Originally Posted by Salento

@Torzio

... unrelated to y T, but ... :

one to one

SZ1 vs R1

Largest Segment 4.6 cM

interesting that SZ1 is noted as a Other Italian

Kit JX1962641

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Atlantic_Med	28.25
2	North_European	25.33
3	Caucasus	22.96
4	Southwest_Asian	7.27
5	Gedrosia	5.21
6	East_Asian	3.28
7	Siberian	2.98
8	Northwest_African	2.62
9	South_Asian	0.84
10	East_African	0.63
11	Southeast_Asian	0.36
12	Sub_Saharan	0.28

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	O_Italian (Dodecad)	9.22
2	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	12.61
3	Romanians (Behar)	12.69
4	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	12.88
5	N_Italian (Dodecad)	13.24
6	TSI30 (Metspalu)	13.33
7	C_Italian (Dodecad)	13.61
8	Tuscan (HGDP)	13.67
9	Greek (Dodecad)	14.84
10	North_Italian (HGDP)	15.96

**torzio** · 19-03-21, 07:23

R1 sample...also noted as a Other Italian

Kit AG4512653

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	Atlantic_Med	34.51
2	North_European	26.56
3	Caucasus	24.76
4	Southwest_Asian	5.79
5	Gedrosia	4.58
6	Siberian	1.6
7	Northwest_African	1.57
8	Sub_Saharan	0.64

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	O_Italian (Dodecad)	6.32
2	N_Italian (Dodecad)	7.32
3	TSI30 (Metspalu)	8.83
4	Tuscan (HGDP)	9.77
5	North_Italian (HGDP)	10.16
6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	11.38
7	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	13.28
8	Romanians (Behar)	13.41
9	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	13.67

**Salento** · 21-03-21, 04:41

@Torzio
one to one ... this settings:

... if nothing, Extra: add another 3 on the last rectangular input, ... and check the B38 Checkbox.

not y T, but:
Salento vs I3313 - I4331 - I4332 - I3499
(... without the last Extra settings)

**Salento** · 21-03-21, 06:53

... y T ...

Salento vs SZ36 & CL23

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