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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.
    But you oh Messapo, Tamer of Horses ... that no one, with neither iron nor fire can break down! “Virgil”

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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.
    lol this Fossil scores more Italian than me. (I’m 27.65 IT on K36)

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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Golden Man var43 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
    Kit Z002783 (11K SNP’s only - limited accuracy)

    Admix Results (sorted):

    #PopulationPercent
    1ENF60.72
    2WHG29.03
    3CHG10.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    #Population (source)Distance
    1Sardinian10.58
    2Sicilian18.4
    3Italian_South21.11
    4Sephardic_Jew21.34
    5Tuscan22.18
    6Spanish_Southwest22.31
    7Ashkenazi_Jew24.14
    8Italian_North24.33
    9Albanian25.63
    10Spanish_Northeast25.71
    11Moroccan26.32
    12Greek26.38
    13Tunisian26.64
    14Cypriot26.97
    15Lebanese30.55
    16Egyptian30.67
    17Basque_Spanish30.75
    18Jordanian31.13
    19Algerian31.16
    20Bulgarian31.35

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    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Interesting video. After the Flood, the few survivors spread all over. Just like the Y T.

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    How do you know Zeffirelli is a J2? I have heard that he is only related to Da Vinci by marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    Among the several samples found in the recently published Mathieson et al study is found the sample of a Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture, this ruler was the priest-king of a powerful metallurgical civilisation (the earliest major assemblage of gold artifacts anywhere in the world), with male dominance and the first fully developed hierarchy.
    His grave counts with around 1000 pieces of Gold like a War Axe, Bulls and a penis protection. This is the most richest grave in the world at this time period, as far as known.

    He is found to be positive for T-M184 equivalent SNPs:
    Y3804/FGC1231+
    Z7767/FGC1179+

    This sample: ANI152 / VAR43 is
    dated as 6495yBP and his mtDNA is U2

    Attachment 9777Attachment 9775Attachment 9774Attachment 9773Attachment 9772
    Hello to all!

    I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
    What significance should I read into that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Hello to all!

    I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
    What significance should I read into that?
    All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

    Papà below: lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

    Papà below: lol

    ooooo my Papaaaaa
    Last edited by BMW; 23-11-19 at 04:08.

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    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html appears to have CTS8489 right where the Elite leader of the Varna Culture ( western Black sea coast ) would have been.

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    "All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

    Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?

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    The Oldest Gold Treasure in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    "All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

    Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?
    The Varna sample is way too young to be directly related to the first T-M184, by thousands of years.

    The T-M184 that you posted is the Golden Man from the Varna culture.

    the image I posted is supposedly from a real recreation.

    Golden Man is the nickname of ANI152 VAR 43

    ... Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...

    ... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...










    http://badamba.info/english/en_live/...rcheology.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis

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    I get all of that....for the most part.
    Just wondering if sharing SNPs with him tends to favor more towards him being a direct ancestor....as opposed to an incredibly distant "cousin".

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    This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

    https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

    https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/
    You need to include this
    https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

    The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    You need to include this
    https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

    The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna
    Thanks for that, torzio.

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