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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.

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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Golden Man (Var43) Eurogenes K36 Results. As Alpenjager stated earlier the Kit has only 11K snp’s, Just for Curiosity.
    lol this Fossil scores more Italian than me. (I’m 27.65 IT on K36)

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    Elite leader of the Varna Culture T-M184 ( western Black sea coast )

    Golden Man var43 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
    Kit Z002783 (11K SNP’s only - limited accuracy)

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    #PopulationPercent
    1ENF60.72
    2WHG29.03
    3CHG10.25

    Single Population Sharing:

    #Population (source)Distance
    1Sardinian10.58
    2Sicilian18.4
    3Italian_South21.11
    4Sephardic_Jew21.34
    5Tuscan22.18
    6Spanish_Southwest22.31
    7Ashkenazi_Jew24.14
    8Italian_North24.33
    9Albanian25.63
    10Spanish_Northeast25.71
    11Moroccan26.32
    12Greek26.38
    13Tunisian26.64
    14Cypriot26.97
    15Lebanese30.55
    16Egyptian30.67
    17Basque_Spanish30.75
    18Jordanian31.13
    19Algerian31.16
    20Bulgarian31.35

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    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    Interesting video. After the Flood, the few survivors spread all over. Just like the Y T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenjager View Post
    Among the several samples found in the recently published Mathieson et al study is found the sample of a Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture, this ruler was the priest-king of a powerful metallurgical civilisation (the earliest major assemblage of gold artifacts anywhere in the world), with male dominance and the first fully developed hierarchy.
    His grave counts with around 1000 pieces of Gold like a War Axe, Bulls and a penis protection. This is the most richest grave in the world at this time period, as far as known.

    He is found to be positive for T-M184 equivalent SNPs:
    Y3804/FGC1231+
    Z7767/FGC1179+

    This sample: ANI152 / VAR43 is
    dated as 6495yBP and his mtDNA is U2

    Attachment 9777Attachment 9775Attachment 9774Attachment 9773Attachment 9772
    Hello to all!

    I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
    What significance should I read into that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    Hello to all!

    I have the above mentioned Y3804/FGC1231+ and Z7767/FGC1179+ SNPs in my Y Tree.
    What significance should I read into that?
    All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

    Papà below: lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think.

    Papà below: lol

    ooooo my Papaaaaa
    Last edited by BMW; 23-11-19 at 04:08.

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    http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html appears to have CTS8489 right where the Elite leader of the Varna Culture ( western Black sea coast ) would have been.

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    "All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

    Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?

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    The Oldest Gold Treasure in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    "All y Ts should be positive with Golden Man,

    T-M184 is the Top Dog, the Father of all of us, I think..."

    Wouldn't it be just as probable for him to be a brother or uncle of the "Golden Man"?...or am I missing something?
    The Varna sample is way too young to be directly related to the first T-M184, by thousands of years.

    The T-M184 that you posted is the Golden Man from the Varna culture.

    the image I posted is supposedly from a real recreation.

    Golden Man is the nickname of ANI152 VAR 43

    ... Elite leader individual from the Varna Culture ...

    ... The oldest gold treasure in the world, dating from 4,600 BC to 4,200 BC ...










    http://badamba.info/english/en_live/...rcheology.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_Necropolis

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    I get all of that....for the most part.
    Just wondering if sharing SNPs with him tends to favor more towards him being a direct ancestor....as opposed to an incredibly distant "cousin".

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    This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

    https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW View Post
    This deals with the subject of Anatolia, in reference to Varna:

    https://indo-european.eu/tag/varna/
    You need to include this
    https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

    The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    You need to include this
    https://indo-european.eu/2019/02/the...teppe-ecotone/

    The wallacian plain has a few ydna T from the neolithic , not including varna
    Thanks for that, torzio.

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    There is still no morereads on Golden man except M184 snp

    There is reads on the third neolithic karsdorf T sample KARS537.....using BWA MEM

    he is the same as the other 2 samples I0795 and I0797 ...which is T-Y63197 ( x Y152024)

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    one to one

    R1 vs var43 (Golden Man)

    Largest seg. 9.5 cM
    Half seg. 21.9 cM


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    Golden Man vs Salento

    Largest seg. 12.8 cM
    Half seg. 49.9 cM


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    ... unrelated to y T, but ... :

    one to one

    SZ1 vs R1

    Largest Segment 4.6 cM


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    Golden Man vs SZ1

    Largest seg. 18.1 cM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio

    ... unrelated to y T, but ... :

    one to one

    SZ1 vs R1

    Largest Segment 4.6 cM

    interesting that SZ1 is noted as a Other Italian


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    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 28.25
    2 North_European 25.33
    3 Caucasus 22.96
    4 Southwest_Asian 7.27
    5 Gedrosia 5.21
    6 East_Asian 3.28
    7 Siberian 2.98
    8 Northwest_African 2.62
    9 South_Asian 0.84
    10 East_African 0.63
    11 Southeast_Asian 0.36
    12 Sub_Saharan 0.28

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.22
    2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.61
    3 Romanians (Behar) 12.69
    4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.88
    5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 13.24
    6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.33
    7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.61
    8 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.67
    9 Greek (Dodecad) 14.84
    10 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.96

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    R1 sample...also noted as a Other Italian



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    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 34.51
    2 North_European 26.56
    3 Caucasus 24.76
    4 Southwest_Asian 5.79
    5 Gedrosia 4.58
    6 Siberian 1.6
    7 Northwest_African 1.57
    8 Sub_Saharan 0.64

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.32
    2 N_Italian (Dodecad) 7.32
    3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.83
    4 Tuscan (HGDP) 9.77
    5 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.16
    6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.38
    7 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.28
    8 Romanians (Behar) 13.41
    9 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.67

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    @Torzio
    one to one ... this settings:


    ... if nothing, Extra: add another 3 on the last rectangular input, ... and check the B38 Checkbox.

    not y T, but:
    Salento vs I3313 - I4331 - I4332 - I3499
    (... without the last Extra settings)







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    ... y T ...

    Salento vs SZ36 & CL23





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