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    Parts of Ramses II statue found in southern Egypt



    Egypt says archaeologists have discovered parts of a statue of one of its most famous pharaohs in the southern city of Aswan.

    The Antiquities Ministry said Tuesday the head and chest of the statue of Ramses II were found in the Temple of Kom Ombo during a project to protect the site from groundwater.

    Egypt hopes the find, along with other recent discoveries, will help revive its tourism sector, which has been battered by years of unrest since the 2011 uprising.

    Ramses II, also known as Ramses the Great, ruled Egypt from 1279 B.C. to 1213 B.C. He is credited with expanding Egypt's reach as far as modern Syria to the east and Sudan to the south.


    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-ramses...egypt.html#jCp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Egypt says archaeologists have discovered parts of a statue of one of its most famous pharaohs in the southern city of Aswan.

    The Antiquities Ministry said Tuesday the head and chest of the statue of Ramses II were found in the Temple of Kom Ombo during a project to protect the site from groundwater.

    Egypt hopes the find, along with other recent discoveries, will help revive its tourism sector, which has been battered by years of unrest since the 2011 uprising.

    Ramses II, also known as Ramses the Great, ruled Egypt from 1279 B.C. to 1213 B.C. He is credited with expanding Egypt's reach as far as modern Syria to the east and Sudan to the south.


    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-ramses...egypt.html#jCp
    He's the Pharoah of the Bible, for those who don't know that.

    This is his mummy:


    Reconstruction based on it to show him as an old man:


    It doesn't look much like his better preserved statues, but maybe the latter weren't meant to be realistic. The above version looks very Middle Eastern to me.


    More resemblance here, maybe?


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    The pharaoh of the bible?

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    What evidence says hes the pharoah of the bible ? I thought you had to post academic papers here ?
    you banned me for for quoting josephus after you deleted my post without reading or understanding it.
    mmm pots and kettles spring to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by O Neill View Post
    What evidence says hes the pharoah of the bible ? I thought you had to post academic papers here ?
    you banned me for for quoting josephus after you deleted my post without reading or understanding it.
    mmm pots and kettles spring to mind.
    I gave you the infractions that got you banned for insulting a moderator twice. Also your posts were deleted for being conspiratorial nonsense.

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    I never heard the Pots and Kettles expression before.
    I Google it. Who knew. I’ve learn something new today.


    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...e-kettle-black

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    Quote Originally Posted by O Neill View Post
    What evidence says hes the pharoah of the bible ? I thought you had to post academic papers here ?
    you banned me for for quoting josephus after you deleted my post without reading or understanding it.
    mmm pots and kettles spring to mind.
    http://thetorah.com/the-pharaoh-of-t...s-rameses-iii/

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    I guess I need to be more clear.

    The only thing that is required here is that if someone disagrees with a poster's assertions and asks for a source, the source should be provided. Obviously, someone like you, who spouts the wildest conspiracy theories, is going to be asked for legitimate academic sources.

    Therefore, all you had to do was ask civilly. I actually should have given you an infraction for insulting and rude comments to a moderator, and if you do it again, I assure you I will.

    Now as to the Biblical scholarship on the topic, there are various opinions.

    You would think people would at least read Wiki articles before opining.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaohs_in_the_Bible

    As anyone can see, some Pharaohs are named in the Bible. The ones involved in the Enslavement and the Exodus are not, so scholars rely on textual analysis, archaeology, and history. Various scholars support various contenders. The professor with whom I studied Biblical archaeology was a strong supporter of Ramses II. I found him persuasive. I find the scholar who wrote the article in the first link even more persuasive.

    Now, if you prefer Ahmose I or Thutmose II , for example, for whom a good case can also be made, be my guest.

    Of course, a lot of archaeologists and specialists in the ancient Egyptian world don't believe it ever happened at all.

    See how reasonable people discuss these things?

    @Salento,
    You think encouraging someone to speak to moderators like this is good for the forum?

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    It was an innocent comment, that wasn’t targeting anybody.
    People write expressions, some we know, some we don’t.
    For example: you use the word “socks” at times.
    I assume is something bad.
    I swear that still don’t know what you mean.
    I’m going to search It.
    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It was an innocent comment, that wasn’t targeting anybody.
    People write expressions, some we know, some we don’t.
    For example: you use the word “socks” at times.
    I assume is something bad.
    I swear that still don’t know what you mean.
    I’m going to search It.
    Sorry
    Goodness gracious, Salento, are you hanging out with Davef a lot? You're starting to sound just like him! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It was an innocent comment, that wasn’t targeting anybody.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    People write expressions, some we know, some we don’t.
    For example: you use the word “socks” at times.
    I assume is something bad.
    I swear that still don’t know what you mean.
    I’m going to search It.
    Sorry
    "Sock" aka an account created by a banned user so he can continue posting

    um ok I cut/ pasted a quote into this post and it got split in two, that's strange.
    mmmmmmmmm dooouuughhhnuuuutz

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
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    "Sock" aka an account created by a banned user so he can continue posting

    um ok I cut/ pasted a quote into this post and it got split in two, that's strange.
    How convenient for you to chime in.

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    Parts of Ramses II statue found in southern Egypt

    About an other Ramses.
    Ramses 3rd
    Does anybody know who were the “Real” Sea People? The Internet is full of conflicting views. ( Here Too. )
    “The Sea Peoples remain unidentified in the eyes of most modern scholars, and hypotheses regarding the origin of the various groups are the source of much speculation.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    About an other Ramses.
    Ramses 3rd
    Does anybody know who were the “Real” Sea People? The Internet is full of conflicting views. ( Here Too. )
    “The Sea Peoples remain unidentified in the eyes of most modern scholars, and hypotheses regarding the origin of the various groups are the source of much speculation.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
    Until now nobody can even pretend to know that for sure. The most plausible hints indicate that there were no "Sea People" nor were they one organized mass of foreign warriors, but much like the invaders and migrants of the late Roman Migration Period the "Sea Peoples" was just a general name given to a geographically and ethnically varied group of warriors and probably also some migrants who came alongside them.

    Some of the Sea Peoples may already have been partially connected to the "civilized world" working as mercenaries, much like German Franks and Goths during the late Roman Empire. I recently read a report about a supposed Italian or Italian-like presence in Crete and supposedly other Aegean islands, what could perhaps explain why we find Lemnian inscriptions from the early Classical age written in a language that is too close to Etruscan to be, as some had thought, just the language of those who hadn't migrated from Asia Minor to Italy.

    Other people almost certainly present among the Sea People invasions were the Luwian speakers, and there is also a high plausibility that Nuragic Sardinians were part of that, too. As a whole, many coastal Mediterranean peoples could've taken the opportunity to invade a weakened but still enticing "civilized world" from Greece to Egypt and to Mesopotamia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    Until now nobody can even pretend to know that for sure. The most plausible hints indicate that there were no "Sea People" nor were they one organized mass of foreign warriors, but much like the invaders and migrants of the late Roman Migration Period the "Sea Peoples" was just a general name given to a geographically and ethnically varied group of warriors and probably also some migrants who came alongside them.

    Some of the Sea Peoples may already have been partially connected to the "civilized world" working as mercenaries, much like German Franks and Goths during the late Roman Empire. I recently read a report about a supposed Italian or Italian-like presence in Crete and supposedly other Aegean islands, what could perhaps explain why we find Lemnian inscriptions from the early Classical age written in a language that is too close to Etruscan to be, as some had thought, just the language of those who hadn't migrated from Asia Minor to Italy.

    Other people almost certainly present among the Sea People invasions were the Luwian speakers, and there is also a high plausibility that Nuragic Sardinians were part of that, too. As a whole, many coastal Mediterranean peoples could've taken the opportunity to invade a weakened but still enticing "civilized world" from Greece to Egypt and to Mesopotamia.
    At Insito.me (by Spencer Wells), They associates a group of Sea People in the Northern Mediterranean Ancestry with the “Sherden”.
    They don’t say Much:

    “Due to the scarcity of arable land, many of the people of the Mediterranean have naturally turned to the sea and become great mariners. At the dawn of European written history 3,000 years ago, the names of some noteworthy North Mediterranean peoples appear in literature and other written documents.

    These wayfarers traveled along the northern coast of Africa; where they met the Egyptians who dubbed the invaders “Sea Peoples.” A group of these “Sea Peoples,” the Sherden, are presumed to have originated from the Western Mediterranean. The Etruscans, or Rasenna as they call themselves, were active in those times as well. “

    I can’t find Much, besides the Sardinias, and others been Sherden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    I recently read a report about a supposed Italian or Italian-like presence in Crete and supposedly other Aegean islands, what could perhaps explain why we find Lemnian inscriptions from the early Classical age written in a language that is too close to Etruscan to be, as some had thought, just the language of those who hadn't migrated from Asia Minor to Italy.
    Yes, there are many scholars who think Lemnian is the language of colonists from Etruria, specifically from southern Etruria (Cerveteri or Veio). In fact Lemnian inscriptions are written using the Western "Red" Greek alphabet, common in Greece and in Italy (including Etruria), the script used in Lemnos is similar to a specific variant used in Cerveteri that is attested before the Lemnian inscriptions. The Euboean script is also a Western "Red" alphabet. While in Asian Minor is more common the Eastern Blue Greek alphabet, also used in some parts of Greece.

    In this map, for Lemnos is considered the Attic Greek who was the main language of the island after the Athenian conquest around 500 B.C..

    Distribution of "green", "red" and "blue" alphabet types, after Kirchhoff.

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