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    Albanian lexemes and their presence in the other languages

    We all know(because nowadays it appears everybody know everything) 'lexeme' meaning, it basically means : the shortest word structure to carry a meaning. We also know the origin of this term, from Greek lexi(con) + eme(suffix), which derives from the other Greek word λέγω= I say, I speak, I tell a story, which becomes “λέξω” in the future tense, or ἔλεξα” in aorist, by which was named Alexander=the man of his word=a truthful, trustworthy man

    Now, as everybody can notice, the word root for λέγω and all these derivative words, is the c-v structure : λε, where λ represent the sound 'l' and ε is like pl-a-y in English. Now this is the moment where all the disagreement occurs with the mainstream. The modern linguistics will go no further to look up if the root carries any more primitive meaning, but it cuts it short by claiming(1) : origin PIE root *leǵ-, Cognates include Latin legō and Albanian mbledh. Well I have a more thorough approach which investigates further to the word root λε, if it carries any meaning at all. Unfortunately the Greek itself, is not capable to give me an answer, because it lacks c-v structured lexemes. So does Latin, but just by looking at the Oxford University claim (1): what is common in λέγω(GR), legō (Lat) *leǵ-(PIE) and Albanian mbledh( which refers to the meaning "put in order" and not "I speak"-my note) is exactly the c-v structure "le". Now in Albanian, unfortunately for the modern linguistics inconvenience, the simple structure "le" carries a meaning(like they do, uncountable words of the same structure), and that meaning is lë(Albanian)=let(le-ave)(allow)(English), going then to the closest meaning lësh-oj(Alb)----re-le-ase(Eng)---lasc-iare(Ital)

    Like you can easily notice, the syllable "le" is common in every aformentioned language, preserving the consonant "l" the same, which I metaforically called "a bone" and changing the vowel "e" to the closest flowable "o" "a", which again I metaphorically called "a meat", based on the vowel flowabilty characterists. This "meat-ability" appears even on the respective words which derive from are built from these primitive Albanian lexeme meaning in discussion: "I speak"
    λέγω(AG)-- μιλά-ω(MG)-- λόγος or λέξη (word)-------flas(Alb)flet(singular 2)--llaf(word)-llafosem(I speak)---parlo(I speak)(ITAL)--parlare(talking)(ital)
    thus:
    l--> remains the same
    e-->shifts to "o" or "a", depending on the word inflection during noun declension or verb inflection , which occurs even within Albanian itself in two different dialects:
    infinitive "to leave":
    te lesh--- tosk(official language)
    me lonë--geg
    me lanë---geg middle Albania
    or: bëj-boj-baj(I make, I do)

    Now what is the semantic connection between le(let, leave) and λέγω( I speak). The connection is the primitive concept of the speaking process: re-le-asing in this case the word. The same structure is used in Albanian when you:
    ly---paint---leaving/releasing paint on the object
    la---wash(lava-ital)---releasing/leaving water running
    lu---play---moving from one position to another le-aving from here to there
    lë-viz----move, leave a place to reach another one

    This is a short abstract of my theory, for all those people who are open minded, and love scholasticism to a certain degree, being opened for new ideas.

    Before I finish, I want to tell you a true fact. In 1887(source-Bulgarian statistics), there were 3000 schools in Albania, from which around 1200 were taught in Turkish language, 1200 in Greek, 300 in Bulgarian and the rest in Serbian and Vlahic. None in Albanian. The Ottomans allowed every language possible, to be taught in Albania, but Albanian. The Greek Church agents even killed the only professor (Pandeli Sotiri) an orthodox Albanian bright intellectual, to open a school in Albanian language, like they did with many other, Papa Kristo Negovani the most notably among them. The Ottomans joined forces with their enemies, just to suppress the Albanian language, which evidently appeared to possess more danger , than their sworn enemies. Few years ago, I was wandering why, but now I know: Albanians have suffered a lot, they are not the same martial race of Phyrrus, Alexander the Great or Scanderbeg anymore, and appear now a weak nation. But they have preserved their language, despite the enormous historical challenges and lost. Their language possess a divine force, which make them distinct from the other nations, and their enemies feared the most.

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    "But they have preserved their language, despite the enormous historical challenges and lost. Their language possess a divine force, which make them distinct from the other nations, and their enemies feared the most. " >>> Oh, of course! Well, at least this post was very useful because now we can calmly take the word "supposed" or "seeming" from my previous statements that your amateur pseudo-scientific hypothesies (this is not a theory, a theory is not merely a well explained hypothesis) derives from a strong nationalism and virtually delirious sensed of ethnic superiority, which needs to invent a whole new "science" because only that will be able to confirm all the glorious dreams and fantasies which unfortunately are not corroborated by the cold mainstream sciences. It's good to make things clear so that we at least know what we're dealing with.

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    The reason why they didn't allow Albanian in schools is very simple: they wanted Albanian muslims to be Turks. That would facilitate the consolidation of Ottoman holdings in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do with the properties of the language. It only has to do with the fact that many of its speakers were muslim and the Orromans (wrongfully) thought it would be easier to "Turkify" them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ownstyler View Post
    The reason why they didn't allow Albanian in schools is very simple: they wanted Albanian muslims to be Turks. That would facilitate the consolidation of Ottoman holdings in Europe. It doesn't have anything to do with the properties of the language. It only has to do with the fact that many of its speakers were muslim and the Orromans (wrongfully) thought it would be easier to "Turkify" them.
    Of course Ownstyler, it doesn't have anything to do with the language properties, the reason is exactly what you are saying, but what I meant is that Albanians without any other remained mean , but the unity of their language, were a major threat to the Ottomans with their continuous revolts. The language properties, have a lot to do with them resisting assimilation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Of course Ownstyler, it doesn't have anything to do with the language properties, the reason is exactly what you are saying, but what I meant is that Albanians without any other remained mean , but the unity of their language, were a major threat to the Ottomans with their continuous revolts. The language properties, have a lot to do with them resisting assimilation though.
    I agree that Albanians have successfully maintained a distinct identity despite huge external pressures. But how each word is pronounced is unrelated to this success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    We all know(because nowadays it appears everybody know everything) 'lexeme' meaning, it basically means : the shortest word structure to carry a meaning. We also know the origin of this term, from Greek lexi(con) + eme(suffix), which derives from the other Greek word
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    λέγω= I say, I speak, I tell a story, which becomes “λέξω” in the future tense, or ἔλεξα” in aorist, by which was named Alexander=the man of his word=a truthful, trustworthy man





    From someone who erase the Grimm' law,

    I am not expecting something good,
    rather facultated 'knowledge'
    and 'pub' science,

    when someone claims that his method is good
    and and is canceling Grimm's law,
    what he could tell rather than ......


    THE MAN IS SO IGNORANT IN GREEK LANGUAGE
    THAT HE CAN NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE AMONG ΛΕΓΩ and ΕΙΡΩ
    and he expects philologists to believe him

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    Etymology 2[edit]

    From Proto-Hellenic*wéřřō, from Proto-Indo-European*wéryeti, ye-present from the root *werh₁- (“to speak”).
    Cognates include Sanskrit व्रत (vrata), Avestan ���������������� ���������������� �� (urvāta), Latin verbum, Old Armenian յորջորջեմ (yorǰorǰem) and Old English word (English word).
    Verb[edit]

    εἴρω (eírō)

    1. to say, speak, tell


    just



    the word Λεγω has another root and trully, does not ment I speak, in Greek, only in modern means such,

    Εν αρχην Ην ο Λογος ..... και Θεος ην ο Λογος (John 1 1)
    does not mean at the begining was the speach 'wiseguy' ,
    neither that speαch is God

    once again your hoax is revieled.



    AND WITH DEDICATION to you

    ΛΕΓΩ
    Etymology[edit]

    From Proto-Indo-European *leǵ-. Cognates include Latin legō and Albanian mbledh.
    Pronunciation[edit]

    more ▼
    • IPA(key): /lé.ɡɔː//ˈle.ɣo//ˈle.ɣo/



    Verb[edit]

    λέγω (légō)

    1. I put in order, arrange, gather
    2. I choose, count, reckon



    WERE IT SAYS ΛΕΓΩ = I SPEAK? Ignorant?



    and to END

    IN A PREVIOUS POST YOU SAID ABOUT YOUR MODEST METHOD,
    NOW HOW COME YOU USE THE IE LANGUAGES METHODS?

    IS for You Albanian mother of IE languages?

    or MAYBE IE LANGUAGES WERE RELIGIOUS LANGUAGES?




    CAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DID HERE IS THIS

    YOU TOOK the IE LEG *
    and you tell us what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Now, as everybody can notice, the word root for λέγω and all these derivative words, is the c-v structure : λε, where λ represent the sound 'l' and ε is like pl-a-y in English. Now this is the moment where all the disagreement occurs with the mainstream. The modern linguistics will go no further to look up if the root carries any more primitive meaning, but it cuts it short by claiming(1) : origin PIE root *leǵ-, Cognates include Latin legō and Albanian mbledh. Well I have a more thorough approach which investigates further to the word root λε, if it carries any meaning at all. Unfortunately the Greek itself, is not capable to give me an answer, because it lacks c-v structured lexemes. So does Latin, but just by looking at the Oxford University claim (1): what is common in λέγω(GR), legō (Lat) *leǵ-(PIE) and Albanian mbledh( which refers to the meaning "put in order" and not "I speak"-my note) is exactly the c-v structure "le". Now in Albanian, unfortunately for the modern linguistics inconvenience, the simple structure "le" carries a meaning(like they do, uncountable words of the same structure), and that meaning is lë(Albanian)=let(le-ave)(allow)(English), going then to the closest meaning lësh-oj(Alb)----re-le-ase(Eng)---lasc-iare(Ital)

    Like you can easily notice, the syllable "le" is common in every aformentioned language, preserving the consonant "l" the same, which I metaforically called "a bone" and changing the vowel "e" to the closest flowable "o" "a", which again I metaphorically called "a meat", based on the vowel flowabilty characterists. This "meat-ability" appears even on the respective words which derive from are built from these primitive Albanian lexeme meaning in discussion: "I speak"
    λέγω(AG)-- μιλά-ω(MG)-- λόγος or λέξη (word)-------flas(Alb)flet(singular 2)--llaf(word)-llafosem(I speak)---parlo(I speak)(ITAL)--parlare(talking)(ital)
    thus:
    l--> remains the same
    e-->shifts to "o" or "a", depending on the word inflection during noun declension or verb inflection , which occurs even within Albanian itself in two different dialects:
    infinitive "to leave":
    te lesh--- tosk(official language)
    me lonë--geg
    me lanë---geg middle Albania
    or: bëj-boj-baj(I make, I do)

    Now what is the semantic connection between le(let, leave) and λέγω( I speak). The connection is the primitive concept of the speaking process: re-le-asing in this case the word. The same structure is used in Albanian when you:
    ly---paint---leaving/releasing paint on the object
    la---wash(lava-ital)---releasing/leaving water running
    lu---play---moving from one position to another le-aving from here to there
    lë-viz----move, leave a place to reach another one

    This is a short abstract of my theory, for all those people who are open minded, and love scholasticism to a certain degree, being opened for new ideas.


    again about IE?


    Then why when I wrote Grimm's law you said all crap?

    As for your info

    Λεγω noun ΛΟΓΟΣ

    Λογιστης = counter
    Λογικη = Logic loan
    Λογιστικη = LOGISTICS
    Λογαριασμος = bill list
    καταλογος = list
    υπολογος = to find an excusion
    αντιλογος = anti-speach, on the opposite

    etc tc

    What are you now trying to prove?
    that Logos is an Albanian Lexime in Greek?
    or now you remember IE languages
    which were Religious language
    s?




    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ownstyler View Post
    I agree that Albanians have successfully maintained a distinct identity despite huge external pressures. But how each word is pronounced is unrelated to this success.
    It's very difficult to seperate the factors, which contributed to create that cultural "shield", but I wont exclude the language properties, which are not limited just to the way you pronounce each word, but much wider. I beleive, since language is the main cultural element, affects the psychic behavior of a person, and his behaviour as a whole. Then individual behaviour contributes to the entire nation behaviour pool where that language is spoken.

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    and what is this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Before I finish, I want to tell you a true fact. In 1887(source-Bulgarian statistics), there were 3000 schools in Albania, from which around 1200 were taught in Turkish language, 1200 in Greek, 300 in Bulgarian and the rest in Serbian and Vlahic. None in Albanian. The Ottomans allowed every language possible, to be taught in Albania, but Albanian. The Greek Church agents even killed the only professor (Pandeli Sotiri) an orthodox Albanian bright intellectual, to open a school in Albanian language, like they did with many other, Papa Kristo Negovani the most notably among them. The Ottomans joined forces with their enemies, just to suppress the Albanian language, which evidently appeared to possess more danger , than their sworn enemies. Few years ago, I was wandering why, but now I know: Albanians have suffered a lot, they are not the same martial race of Phyrrus, Alexander the Great or Scanderbeg anymore, and appear now a weak nation. But they have preserved their language, despite the enormous historical challenges and lost. Their language possess a divine force, which make them distinct from the other nations, and their enemies feared the most.
    Do you want me to tell you how much we suffered from you?

    What Linguistics have to Do with propaganda?

    I will keep calm, considering this as another spam of yours.

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    @Yetos
    Did you forgot your language, or are you just practising on lying.. your national sport ?

    http://www.greek-language.gr/greekLa...ma.html?id=136


    ΛΗΜΜΑ
    λέγω
    Α. ΕΝΕΡΓΗΤΙΚΟ 1. συλλέγω |επιλέγω 2. αριθμώ, συγκαταλέγω |φρ. λέγω τινά οὐδαμοῦ=θεωρώ κάποιον μηδαμινό, τιποτένιο |φρ. κέρδος λέγω=θεωρώ κέρδος 3. απαριθμώ, επαναλαμβάνω, διηγούμαι Β. ΜΕΣΟ συλλέγω για τον εαυτό μου |επιλέγω για τον εαυτό μου Γ. ΠΑΘΗΤΙΚΟ 1. συλλέγομαι, επιλέγομαι 2. συγκαταλέγομαι, απαριθμούμαι Α. ΕΝΕΡΓΗΤΙΚΟ 1. λέω, μιλώ, αναφέρω (= I SPEAK)|με εμπρόθετο προσδιορισμό |με αιτ. και απρφ. |με ειδική πρόταση |με πλάγια ερωτηματική πρόταση |απόλ. |με μτχ. |με δοτ. προσ. και αιτ. πράγμ. |με αιτ. προσ. και αιτ. πράγμ. |φρ. λέγω τά τινος=αναφέρω για κπ. |φρ. εὖ λέγω=επαινώ, κακῶς λέγω=κακολογώ, αποδοκιμάζω |πλεοναστική χρήση |φρ. λέγω τι=έχω δίκιο, λέω κάτι (με ευφημιστικό τόνο) (=I SAY ) |φρ. εὖ λέγω, καλῶς λέγω, ὀρθῶς λέγω=μιλώ ορθά(= I SPEAK) |φρ. λέγω οὐδέν=λέω κτ. χωρίς σημασία ή ψεύδομαι |φρ. κακῶς λέγω=δεν μιλώ ορθά 2. προσδιορίζω, αποκαλώ, θεωρώ 3. διατάζω, παραγγέλλω 4. ανακοινώνω, διακηρύττω |για χρησμούς, έγγραφα 5. εννοώ, προσδιορίζω |φρ. τί λέγω, πῶς λέγω=τι θέλω να πω, τι εννοώ 6. διαβάζω δυνατά κτ. γραμμένο |τραγουδώ, ψάλλω |εγκωμιάζω, εξυμνώ, καυχιέμαι για κτ. |κάνω λόγο για κτ. |έχω ρητορική ικανότητα, ευφράδεια |ρητορική |φρ. (δίκας) λέγειν ὑπέρ τινος=ομιλώ ως συνήγορος (= I SPEAK)κπ. |εκθέτω δημόσια με το λόγο απόψεις, ισχυρίζομαι, διαβεβαιώνω |διατάζω να πουν, αποστέλλω λόγο με κπ. άλλο, γνωστοποιώ Β. ΜΕΣΟ απαριθμώ, επαναλαμβάνω, διηγούμαι Γ. ΠΑΘΗΤΙΚΟ 1. λέγομαι, αναφέρομαι |λέγεται, αναφέρεται |απρόσ. |φρ. τὸ λεγόμενον=όπως λένε |απόλ. 2. προσδιορίζομαι, θεωρούμαι, αποκαλούμαι
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    Ανάγεται στην ιε. ρίζα *leĝ- =συγκεντρώνω, συλλέγω. Πβ. λατ. lego, άνω γερμ. lesen, γοτθ. lisan.


    Ρ1 (λέγω με τη σημασία ομιλώ) = ('λεγω' with the meaning I SPEAK)
    λέγω, ἔλεγον, λέξω και ἐρῶ, αόρ. α' ἔλεξα, αόρ. β' εἶπον, εἴρηκα, εἰρήκειν
    λέγομαι, ἐλεγόμην, λέξομαι, ἐλεξάμην, εἴρημαι, εἰρήμην
    παθ. μέλλ. λεχθήσομαι και ῥηθήσομαι, παθ. αόρ. ἐλέχθην και ἐρρήθην
    αττ. μέλλ. λελέξομαι, αττ. ΜΕΣΟ πρκ. λέλεγμαι
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    @Lab,

    You have just earned yourself an infraction for insulting not only another poster but an entire ethnicity.

    What do I have to do to get it into some people's skulls that this will not be allowed here?


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    @YetosDid you forgot your language, or are you just practising on lying.. your national sport ?http://www.greek-language.gr/greekLa...ma.html?id=136ΛΗΜΜΑλέγωΑ. ΕΝΕΡΓΗΤΙΚΟ 1. συλλέγω |επιλέγω 2. αριθμώ, συγκαταλέγω |φρ. λέγω τινά οὐδαμοῦ=θεωρώ κάποιον μηδαμινό, τιποτένιο |φρ. κέρδος λέγω=θεωρώ κέρδος 3. απαριθμώ, επαναλαμβάνω, διηγούμαι Β. ΜΕΣΟ συλλέγω για τον εαυτό μου |επιλέγω για τον εαυτό μου Γ. ΠΑΘΗΤΙΚΟ 1. συλλέγομαι, επιλέγομαι 2. συγκαταλέγομαι, απαριθμούμαι Α. ΕΝΕΡΓΗΤΙΚΟ 1. λέω, μιλώ, αναφέρω (= I SPEAK)|με εμπρόθετο προσδιορισμό |με αιτ. και απρφ. |με ειδική πρόταση |με πλάγια ερωτηματική πρόταση |απόλ. |με μτχ. |με δοτ. προσ. και αιτ. πράγμ. |με αιτ. προσ. και αιτ. πράγμ. |φρ. λέγω τά τινος=αναφέρω για κπ. |φρ. εὖ λέγω=επαινώ, κακῶς λέγω=κακολογώ, αποδοκιμάζω |πλεοναστική χρήση |φρ. λέγω τι=έχω δίκιο, λέω κάτι (με ευφημιστικό τόνο) (=I SAY ) |φρ. εὖ λέγω, καλῶς λέγω, ὀρθῶς λέγω=μιλώ ορθά(= I SPEAK) |φρ. λέγω οὐδέν=λέω κτ. χωρίς σημασία ή ψεύδομαι |φρ. κακῶς λέγω=δεν μιλώ ορθά 2. προσδιορίζω, αποκαλώ, θεωρώ 3. διατάζω, παραγγέλλω 4. ανακοινώνω, διακηρύττω |για χρησμούς, έγγραφα 5. εννοώ, προσδιορίζω |φρ. τί λέγω, πῶς λέγω=τι θέλω να πω, τι εννοώ 6. διαβάζω δυνατά κτ. γραμμένο |τραγουδώ, ψάλλω |εγκωμιάζω, εξυμνώ, καυχιέμαι για κτ. |κάνω λόγο για κτ. |έχω ρητορική ικανότητα, ευφράδεια |ρητορική |φρ. (δίκας) λέγειν ὑπέρ τινος=ομιλώ ως συνήγορος (= I SPEAK)κπ. |εκθέτω δημόσια με το λόγο απόψεις, ισχυρίζομαι, διαβεβαιώνω |διατάζω να πουν, αποστέλλω λόγο με κπ. άλλο, γνωστοποιώ Β. ΜΕΣΟ απαριθμώ, επαναλαμβάνω, διηγούμαι Γ. ΠΑΘΗΤΙΚΟ 1. λέγομαι, αναφέρομαι |λέγεται, αναφέρεται |απρόσ. |φρ. τὸ λεγόμενον=όπως λένε |απόλ. 2. προσδιορίζομαι, θεωρούμαι, αποκαλούμαιΕμφάνιση/Απόκρυψη ΣημασιολογίαςΕΤΥΜΟΛΟΓΙΚΟ< ΛΕΓΩ >Ανάγεται στην ιε. ρίζα *leĝ- =συγκεντρώνω, συλλέγω. Πβ. λατ. lego, άνω γερμ. lesen, γοτθ. lisan.Ρ1 (λέγω με τη σημασία ομιλώ) = ('λεγω' with the meaning I SPEAK)λέγω, ἔλεγον, λέξω και ἐρῶ, αόρ. α' ἔλεξα, αόρ. β' εἶπον, εἴρηκα, εἰρήκεινλέγομαι, ἐλεγόμην, λέξομαι, ἐλεξάμην, εἴρημαι, εἰρήμηνπαθ. μέλλ. λεχθήσομαι και ῥηθήσομαι, παθ. αόρ. ἐλέχθην και ἐρρήθηναττ. μέλλ. λελέξομαι, αττ. ΜΕΣΟ πρκ. λέλεγμαι

    @ LAB I feel sorry for you and the 'pub' members,

    1rst.Do not mix modern Greek with Greek
    2nd do not mix specialized words as common
    3rd A lexicon is used to understand or translate etc, even to find etymology, and meaning,but true meaning is more complicated, so some times exageration, or misunderstanding

    NOW LETS see
    a. Ειρω
    Ι say I speakCompare
    Rhetor rhetoric Ρηθεν ρητρα ρησις ΡΗΜΑ=VIRB

    b.Ομιλω Μιλω
    Ι Say I speak
    (but true meaning is I speak/give guidance to a group Ομιλια Ομιλος=group/club)

    c. Αγορευω
    I speak I say I bargain
    connected with word Agora, NOTICE ΔΙΚΗ-ΓΟΡΟΣ=LAWER The SPEAKER OF A TRIAL, SPEAKER AGAINST JUDGES.
    a bargain and same time Guidance speech

    d. Φερω-
    IT DOES NOT MEAN I SPEAK OR I SAY, YET IS USED SUCH MEANING THE SPEACH CARRIER OR REPEAT sometimes used as, I pronounce someone, I report,
    IT IS ANCIENT FORM, PROTO-GREEK BEFORE ΕΙΡΩ *Fερεω αναφορα=report φερομενος=for whom the speach is for

    e. Λαλλω
    Ι Speak I say sometimes I sing I make sounds, ( I speak languages) It has a meaning of silly speach, or yell, or mimitation of speach, or speak foreign languages, or singλαλλω τας γλωσσας = Ι Speak the languageΑΛΕΚΤΩΡ Λαλλησε = Rooster has sang

    f.etc etc

    Now lets Go to ΛΕΓΩ
    ΛΕΓΩ = I count, I gather, I make a sum, compare ΛΟΓΙΣΤΗΣ = counter,virb = λεγω noun = Λογος male Λογικη=LOGIC femalenow lets NOTICE THIS
    ''For the meaning "say, speak", forms derived from other roots are more commonly used (suppletion): the future ἐρέω (eréō), future passive ῥηθήσομαι (rhēthḗsomai), and perfect εἴρηκᾰ (eírēka) from εἴρω (eírō), as well as the aorist εἶπον (eîpon).''

    so why such anomaly??it is simple
    cause true meaning of word λεγω is I count not I speak, so it bouroughs forms of Ειρω
    Why? lets see,Λογος see words like Ana-logy Pathologist Logistics etc

    Λογος is the Speach after the result of a count/gathering

    so when John 1:1 we see 'και Θεος ην ο Λογος' (and God is the LOGOS) it does not mean the God is the speach,
    But God is the result of the correct counting the LOGIC
    and when Jesus at the hill/mountain say ΑΛΗΘΩΣ ΛΕΓΩ ΥΜΙΝ (trully I say to you this) at his ΟΜΙΛΙΑ (not ΛΟΓΟΣ But ΟΜΙΛΙΑ=group guidance speach)
    It means the results of his analysis and his count, so the more correct is Trully I count it and Is such

    so to enter deeperI will used the Speach on mathematical terms
    When a number can not be said is called AΡΡΗΤΟΣ = can not be said (negative Α + ειρω) in English Irrational, Not A-ΛΟΓΟΣ Ilogic/unlogic

    and what is logic? Logos?
    Lets see I say, open the door,
    Does it make logic? does it contains counting or gathering etc? NO So the above is NOT LOGOS/Logic But is SPEACH

    Logos is the speach when something is after a counting and can be TRUE OR FALSE

    So ΛΟΓΟΣ is a result of a counting,for example
    'ANGELA IS NOT A MODERATOR' False -> ΛΟΓΟΣ speach of a counting
    '1+1=2 TRUE -> ΛΟΓΟΣ Speach of counting
    Eat your food ???? -> NOT ΛΟΓΟΣ so is ρηθεν I can NOT use the virb Λεγω

    I think everybody understood what is the Meaning of word ΛΕΓΩ and is not I speak, but I count,
    it has meaning of speek ONLY WHEN I PRONOUNCE RESULTS OF A COUNT,

    PS
    to understand more the international term for tests are Geometrical and Lectical tests
    By Lektikal tests does not mean Speach tests
    so 1+2=4 FALSE ΛΟΓΟΣ ΛΕΓΩ
    ΑD// BC TRUE ΛΟΓΟΣ ΛΕΓΩ
    pppppttttt Not True not false NO ΛΟΓΟΣ/ΛΕΓΩ NO ΛΕΞΙΣ = true/false Word (counting result for true false form of letters) ΛΕΞΙΣ=LEXIS From ΛΕγω Ι count
    so when you write
    Nkreen
    Green
    Greeen
    Greenn
    in your mind you count the true false (ΛΕΓΕΙΣ) to understand the ΛΟΓΟΣ
    THAT IS MY FRIEND THE TERMINATION OF WORD ΛΕΓΩ WHICH IS AN IE WORD
    as for the meaning of I speak I say, Well that is word ΕΙΡΩ,
    but you can use word ΛΕΓΩ when anouncing counting(ΛΟΓΙΚΑ/LOGIC) results

    You may call me a Lier, me and my nation,
    BUT THE ABOVE IS TEACHED AT ALL HIGHSCHOOLS AND ALL UNIVERSITIES,
    NOT IN A HIDDEN "PUB"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    @ LAB I feel sorry for you and the 'pub' members,

    1rst.Do not mix modern Greek with Greek
    2nd do not mix specialized words as common
    3rd A lexicon is used to understand or translate etc, even to find etymology, and meaning,but true meaning is more complicated, so some times exageration, or misunderstanding

    NOW LETS see
    a. Ειρω Ι say I speakCompare
    Rhetor rhetoric Ρηθεν ρητρα ρησις ΡΗΜΑ=VIRB

    b.Ομιλω Μιλω Ι Say I speak
    (but true meaning is I speak/give guidance to a group Ομιλια Ομιλος=group/club)

    c. Αγορευω I speak I say I bargain
    connected with word Agora, NOTICE ΔΙΚΗ-ΓΟΡΟΣ=LAWER The SPEAKER OF A TRIAL, SPEAKER AGAINST JUDGES.
    a bargain and same time Guidance speech

    d. Φερω- IT DOES NOT MEAN I SPEAK OR I SAY, YET IS USED SUCH MEANING THE SPEACH CARRIER OR REPEAT sometimes used as, I pronounce someone, I report,
    IT IS ANCIENT FORM, PROTO-GREEK BEFORE ΕΙΡΩ *Fερεω αναφορα=report φερομενος=for whom the speach is for

    e. Λαλλω Ι Speak I say sometimes I sing I make sounds, ( I speak languages) It has a meaning of silly speach, or yell, or mimitation of speach, or speak foreign languages, or singλαλλω τας γλωσσας = Ι Speak the languageΑΛΕΚΤΩΡ Λαλλησε = Rooster has sang

    f.etc etc

    Now lets Go to ΛΕΓΩ
    ΛΕΓΩ = I count, I gather, I make a sum, compare ΛΟΓΙΣΤΗΣ = counter,virb = λεγω noun = Λογος male Λογικη=LOGIC femalenow lets NOTICE THIS

    ''For the meaning "say, speak", forms derived from other roots are more commonly used (suppletion): the future ἐρέω (eréō), future passive ῥηθήσομαι(rhēthḗsomai), and perfect εἴρηκᾰ (eírēka) from εἴρω (eírō), as well as the aorist εἶπον (eîpon).''

    so why such anomaly??it is simple
    cause true meaning of word λεγω is I count not I speak, so it bouroughs forms of Ειρω
    Why? lets see,Λογος see words like Ana-logy Pathologist Logistics etc

    Λογος is the Speach after the result of a count/gathering

    so when John 1:1 we see 'και Θεος ην ο Λογος' (and God is the LOGOS) it does not mean the God is the speach,
    But God is the result of the correct counting the LOGIC
    and when Jesus at the hill/mountain say ΑΛΗΘΩΣ ΛΕΓΩ ΥΜΙΝ (trully I say to you this) at his ΟΜΙΛΙΑ (not ΛΟΓΟΣ But ΟΜΙΛΙΑ=group guidance speach)
    It means the results of his analysis and his count, so the more correct is Trully I count it and Is such

    so to enter deeperI will used the Speach on mathematical terms
    When a number can not be said is called AΡΡΗΤΟΣ = can not be said (negative Α + ειρω) in English Irrational, Not A-ΛΟΓΟΣ Ilogic/unlogic

    and what is logic? Logos?
    Lets see I say, open the door, Does it make logic? does it contains counting or gathering etc? NO So the above is NOT LOGOS/Logic But is SPEACH

    Logos is the speach when something is after a counting and can be TRUE OR FALSE

    So ΛΟΓΟΣ is a result of a counting,for example
    'ANGELA IS NOT A MODERATOR' False -> ΛΟΓΟΣ speach of a counting
    '1+1=2 TRUE -> ΛΟΓΟΣ Speach of counting
    Eat your food ???? -> NOT ΛΟΓΟΣ so is ρηθεν I can NOT use the virb Λεγω

    I think everybody understood what is the Meaning of word ΛΕΓΩ and is not I speak, but I count,
    it has meaning of speek ONLY WHEN I PRONOUNCE RESULTS OF A COUNT,

    PS
    to understand more the international term for tests are Geometrical and Lectical tests
    By Lektikal tests does not mean Speach tests
    so 1+2=4 FALSE ΛΟΓΟΣ ΛΕΓΩ
    ΑD// BC TRUE ΛΟΓΟΣ ΛΕΓΩ
    pppppttttt Not True not false NO ΛΟΓΟΣ/ΛΕΓΩ NO ΛΕΞΙΣ = true/false Word (counting result for true false form of letters) ΛΕΞΙΣ=LEXIS From ΛΕγω Ι count
    so when you write
    Nkreen
    Green
    Greeen
    Greenn
    in your mind you count the true false (ΛΕΓΕΙΣ) to understand the ΛΟΓΟΣ
    THAT IS MY FRIEND THE TERMINATION OF WORD ΛΕΓΩ WHICH IS AN IE WORD
    as for the meaning of I speak I say, Well that is word ΕΙΡΩ,
    but you can use word ΛΕΓΩ when anouncing counting(ΛΟΓΙΚΑ/LOGIC) results

    You may call me a Lier, me and my nation,
    BUT THE ABOVE IS TEACHED AT ALL HIGHSCHOOLS AND ALL UNIVERSITIES,
    NOT IN A HIDDEN "PUB"


    Just to clear up the spamming confusion intended to be created:
    The main authority on the Greek Language, ancient or modern:

    (1)



    used by Herodotus, Thucydides, Sophocles and Plato among others



    (2)
    first sentence in the Bible:
    "ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ
    ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ."
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ : In the beginning
    HN: was
    Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ: the Word

    (3)
    One can not use the existence of a word synonyms as a counter-argument to challenge the validity of the main argument. These things are unrelated.

    (4)
    But as for an irony, as a boomerang, unintentionally was brought another synonym in Greek(Λαλλω= I speak)= llaf~lla-fosem(Alb) which carries the syllabic cluster l+vowel, reinforcing the main idea.
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    I was trying to use a simple language, not flooded with unnecessary linguistic technicalities or terminology, and I will keep the same standard, but I want to add smth I think is important. It's obvious it's the consonant carrying the meaning, in the c-v primitive meaning-carrier structure. Every consonant carries a specific primitive meaning(like an ideosound~ ideogram), and in our case the consonant "l", carries motion and fluidity perception properties, as vivid impression of certain sensations or sensory perceptions, an obviously it has nothing to do with hypothetical PIE roots:

    leng(Alb)---liquid(eng)
    fluturoj---fly
    fluid
    leviz(alb)---move(eng)
    luaj(alb)--move, play(eng)
    loz(alb)--move, play
    lidh(alb)--link(eng)
    gluhe(alb)---language(eng)--lingua(it-lat) -γλώσσα (Gr)

    and many many more, in many languages which don't need to be mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    I was trying to use a simple language, not flooded with unnecessary linguistic technicalities or terminology, and I will keep the same standard, but I want to add smth I think is important. It's obvious it's the consonant carrying the meaning, in the c-v primitive meaning-carrier structure. Every consonant carries a specific primitive meaning(like an ideosound~ ideogram), and in our case the consonant "l", carries motion and fluidity perception properties, as vivid impression of certain sensations or sensory perceptions, an obviously it has nothing to do with hypothetical PIE roots:

    leng(Alb)---liquid(eng)
    fluturoj---fly
    fluid
    leviz(alb)---move(eng)
    luaj(alb)--move, play(eng)
    loz(alb)--move, play
    lidh(alb)--link(eng)
    gluhe(alb)---language(eng)--lingua(it-lat) -γλώσσα (Gr)

    and many many more, in many languages which don't need to be mentioned.

    AGAIN NOTHING

    After you made Word a GOD
    now you tell crap

    LETS SEE IN GREEK

    ΛΥΓΡΑ = Liquid
    ΜΟΛΩ = Come Move
    Ελαυνω = Walk Move
    Αλυσος = Link /chain
    Γλωσσα = Tongue
    Γλωσσα = Language
    Διαλεκτος = Dialect
    Ελος =Lake σςαμπ
    Τελμα = Swamp
    Aλς/Αλος = sea
    ΠΕλαγος = pelago,

    So the consonant Λ λ carries motion and Fluidity perception properties as you said, as vivid impression of certain senations or sensory perceptions

    So who has more consonant L or λ ?


    I wonder where it will end!!!

    sind Word is GOD, and not God is Logic!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    AGAIN NOTHING

    After you made Word a GOD
    now you tell crap

    LETS SEE IN GREEK

    ΛΥΓΡΑ = Liquid
    ΜΟΛΩ = Come Move
    Ελαυνω = Walk Move
    Αλυσος = Link /chain
    Γλωσσα = Tongue
    Γλωσσα = Language
    Διαλεκτος = Dialect
    Ελος =Lake σςαμπ
    Τελμα = Swamp
    Aλς/Αλος = sea
    ΠΕλαγος = pelago,

    So the consonant Λ λ carries motion and Fluidity perception properties as you said, as vivid impression of certain senations or sensory perceptions

    So who has more consonant L or λ ?


    I wonder where it will end!!!

    sind Word is GOD, and not God is Logic!!!!!
    Thank you for confirming my point using more examples. What you seem not understanding, is that the sound "l" is not claimed by me to have an Albanian nationality, since its onomatopoeic motion and fluidity perception properties, are applied in every language not just in Albanian, being universal. As a matter of fact I easily can attach the Albanian homologous mini-dictionary to your list, and thank you again.

    ΛΥΓΡΑ = Liquid ---- (which by the way is υγρός and not λυγρός) means 'wet' and the Albanian correspondant word is LAG=wet(verb, adjective), LAGUR(participle)--lageshtire---humidity

    ΜΟΛΩ = Come Move----Albanian: me lu (geg), te luash (tosk) infinitive
    Ελαυνω = Walk Move----Albanian "me lane"(geg)---duke lënë(tosk)
    Αλυσος = Link /chain----Albanian 'lidh'
    Γλωσσα = Tongue-------Albanian 'gluha'
    Γλωσσα = Language---again 'gluha' an archaic form still present, beside the modern form 'gjuha'
    Διαλεκτος = Dialect ----Albanian----dy-fol-me
    Ελος =Lake σςαμπ----Liqen

    Τελμα = Swamp
    Aλς/Αλος = sea
    ΠΕλαγος = pelago, -------Albanian for the last 3 examples: pellg=mass of water

    Have a nice day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Thank you for confirming my point using more examples. What you seem not understanding, is that the sound "l" is not claimed by me to have an Albanian nationality, since its onomatopoeic motion and fluidity perception properties, are applied in every language not just in Albanian, being universal. As a matter of fact I easily can attach the Albanian homologous mini-dictionary to your list, and thank you again.

    ΛΥΓΡΑ = Liquid ---- (which by the way is υγρός and not λυγρός) means 'wet' and the Albanian correspondant word is LAG=wet(verb, adjective), LAGUR(participle)--lageshtire---humidity

    ΜΟΛΩ = Come Move----Albanian: me lu (geg), te luash (tosk) infinitive
    Ελαυνω = Walk Move----Albanian "me lane"(geg)---duke lënë(tosk)
    Αλυσος = Link /chain----Albanian 'lidh'
    Γλωσσα = Tongue-------Albanian 'gluha'
    Γλωσσα = Language---again 'gluha' an archaic form still present, beside the modern form 'gjuha'
    Διαλεκτος = Dialect ----Albanian----dy-fol-me
    Ελος =Lake σςαμπ----Liqen

    Τελμα = Swamp
    Aλς/Αλος = sea
    ΠΕλαγος = pelago, -------Albanian for the last 3 examples: pellg=mass of water

    Have a nice day

    You keep beeing ignorant on Greek language

    Οδησσεια Ομηρου (Homer)
    γαστηρ λυγρη
    Φαρμακα λυγρα,

    So all Greek Albanian English etc IE languages
    have the consonant L λ which is 'sentimental/sensual' tied with Move.
    What is next?

    Are these languages a group?
    or not?

    and if in Turkic or Semitic we do not find this L λ,
    what result we get with your method?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    You keep beeing ignorant on Greek language

    Οδησσεια Ομηρου (Homer)
    γαστηρ λυγρη
    Φαρμακα λυγρα,
    Thank you for offending me again numerous times, but no, I am anything but ignorant.
    Yes, the word 'λυγρα' is found in Homer's work: Od. 2.248 line 230

    φάρμακα, πολλὰ μὲν ἐσθλὰ μεμιγμένα πολλὰ δὲ λυγρά

    but its meaning, is different from what you keep insisting to be, the real meaning is:
    λυγρός =baneful, mournful

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...4:card=248&i=1

    The real word for liquid/wet is υγρός
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    So all Greek Albanian English etc IE languages

    have the consonant L λ which is 'sentimental/sensual' tied with Move.
    Yes, it might be present in several word structures, doesn't matter the complexity of the word.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    What is next?Are these languages a group?
    or not?
    Yes they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    and if in Turkic or Semitic we do not find this L λ,
    what result we get with your method?
    I don't understand Turkish, but my guess would be that it has to be present, because is onomatopoeic ideo-sound~ideogram ................I searched the dictionary, and yes its present:

    ıslak=wet

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    because I have a feeling that we will go back

    If I fill the bellow Matrix
    would it appear the same L λ?

    Greek Albanian English Hungarian Turkic Arabic
    Μολω luash leave*
    ελαυνω lene walk*
    Αλυσος lidh link
    γλωσσα gluha language
    Διαλεκτος dyfolme Dialect*
    Ελος Ligen lake

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    because I have a feeling that we will go back

    If I fill the bellow Matrix
    would it appear the same L λ?

    Greek Albanian English Hungarian Turkic Arabic
    Μολω luash leave*
    ελαυνω lene walk*
    Αλυσος lidh link
    γλωσσα gluha language
    Διαλεκτος dyfolme Dialect*
    Ελος Ligen lake
    Depends, because every language, is a very complex structure. Within a language, there are different ways, to express something.
    For example , to express a motion action you can use:

    He walked away

    but also you can say:

    he left

    this is the same in Albanian too, you can say:

    ai u largua

    or you can say:

    ai iku

    Notice, the second word is not including the "l" sound, because it uses a different consonant, which carries different sound perceptive properties, using different approach to reach the same meaning. In this case, the sound "k", is an ideo-sound~ideogram for a physical property. Its presence in the word, means something physical is mirrored from the reality, and combined with the initial vowel "i", it means: 'that physical thing is no longer there'=left.
    i---> serves as a privative(ex. i-rational)
    k--->representing smth physical

    In Albanian, k is present in every body part word:

    kerme---carcass
    koke---head
    kembe---foot, leg
    kurriz----back
    kraharor--chest
    krah----arm
    kellqe--hip
    kerthize---belly button, navel
    kocke---bone
    kafke---skull
    kar--dick
    kyç---wrist
    kerci--fibula
    kofshe--thights
    koqe--testicle

    etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Depends, because every language, is a very complex structure. Within a language, there are different ways, to express something.
    For example , to express a motion action you can use:


    He walked away

    but also you can say:

    he left

    this is the same in Albanian too, you can say:

    ai u largua

    or you can say:

    ai iku

    Notice, the second word is not including the "l" sound, because it uses a different consonant, which carries different sound perceptive properties, using different approach to reach the same meaning. In this case, the sound "k", is an ideo-sound~ideogram for a physical property. Its presence in the word, means something physical is mirrored from the reality, and combined with the initial vowel "i", it means: 'that physical thing is no longer there'=left.
    i---> serves as a privative
    k--->representing smth physical

    In Albanian, k is present in every body part word:

    kerme---carcass
    koke---head
    kembe---foot, leg
    kurriz----back
    kraharor--chest
    krah----arm
    kellqe--hip
    kerthize---belly button, navel
    kocke---bone
    kafke---skull
    kar--dick
    kyç---wrist
    kerci--fibula
    kofshe--thights
    koqe--testicle

    etc etc

    The red is enough

    Now you come to my words,

    you can say λεγω
    you can say ομιλω
    you can say Αγορευω

    IN THE EARS AND IN LEXICON MAY BE THE SAME
    BUT NOT IN THE MOUTH OF THE SPEAKER

    So If you search lexicon for Νερο they say Water
    But does mean water but Fresh

    so USING SCOTT LEXICON IS NOT A PROVE

    As for the matrix
    Plz Fill it,
    cause if it does then I suggest go Publish
    and stop running to blogs
    If does NOT
    then that L in GREEK ALBANIAN AND ENGLISH IS DUE TO IE.

    it is simple test your method with non IE languages,
    If it is correct then it would apply to other non IE languages,

    I am calm,
    Hope you are also.

    Plz search word ΝΕΡΟ at LEXICONS
    and then you realize the correct meaning
    and not the Lexicon meaning

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    The red is enough

    Now you come to my words,

    you can say λεγω
    you can say ομιλω
    you can say Αγορευω

    IN THE EARS AND IN LEXICON MAY BE THE SAME
    BUT NOT IN THE MOUTH OF THE SPEAKER

    So If you search lexicon for Νερο they say Water
    But does mean water but Fresh

    so USING SCOTT LEXICON IS NOT A PROVE

    As for the matrix
    Plz Fill it,
    cause if it does then I suggest go Publish
    and stop running to blogs
    If does NOT
    then that L in GREEK ALBANIAN AND ENGLISH IS DUE TO IE.

    it is simple test your method with non IE languages,
    If it is correct then it would apply to other non IE languages,

    I am calm,
    Hope you are also.

    Plz search word ΝΕΡΟ at LEXICONS
    and then you realize the correct meaning
    and not the Lexicon meaning
    It's hard for me to fill a chart, for non-IE languages lexicon, which I basically know nothing. But from a quick search, in Hungarian I notice a striking behavior similarity in "l" motion and fluidity onomatopoeic property occurrence:

    play---- előad --- luaj(Alb)
    fly, flight-------repülés----fluturim, fluturoj(Alb)
    pass, move, go----halad----luaj, leviz, kaloj(Alb)
    fluid-----folyadék-----leng, fluid(Alb)
    let, release----ledobás-----le, leshoj(Alb)
    flow----folyam----rrjedh, kalon, kullon(Alb)
    language----nyelv---gluhe, gjuhe(Alb)
    speak(eng)-----szól----parla(it)-----leo(gr)----flas(Alb)
    lake---lakk------lago(it)-------liqen(Alb)
    wash, flush---lemos----lava(it)---λούω(gr)---laj(Alb)

    This is not a coincidence, it means a lot.
    but being a non IE language, doesn't obey the Grimm's law for sound shifting, which frequently happens within the IE family, example.
    flotation(eng-lat)----επί-πλευση(gr)---pluskim(alb)


    • bʰ > b > p > ɸ
    • dʰ > d > t > θ
    • gʰ > g > k > x
    • gʷʰ > gʷ > kʷ > xʷ


    PS-Hungarian words are positioned second.
    Last edited by Zeus10; 01-03-18 at 02:43.

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    Hahahaha so it is so simple. You have a "la", "le" or even "lo" in any word of any language, you can somehow, even if in totally indirect ways, link this to some kind of sense of "flow" - and voila, here are some new "totally proven" and perfectly methodic and systematic demonstrations of other connections of many languages with the milennia-old divine force of Albanian. Oh my god, I will avoid laughing because this is not a joke, this is more probable to be just a very serious, even worrisome condition. But let's not be so shy and stop this method so early. Why don't we associate the l- fluidity stems with so many other words? Let's play.

    Lábio (pt.), labbro (it.), lips (eng.) >>> l-, la-, li- >>> you let your mouth out, you let it move >>> Obviously and clearly deriving from Albanian
    Livro (pt.), libro (it.) >>> li- >>> fluid pages, pages flowing one after the other >>> Of course, derived from Albanian!
    Lixo (pt.), "trash" >>> li- >>> you let unused and old things out, you let them go >>> Of course, more definite and undeniable proofs of the Albanian origins of Portuguese
    Lust (eng.), luxúria (pt.) >>> let your desires and pleasures out, let them flow, let your desires flow freely >>> The ubiquitous and multipurpose le- Albanian strikes again, and we prove once and for all the divine powers of the Albanese speakers!
    Lança (pt.), "spear", Luta (pt.), "fight" >>> la-, lu- >>> the spear is thrown and flows in the air to strike the enemy >>> Of course, the relation between this word and the Albanian lexeme is perfect! Another proof of the Albanian origins of European languages!

    Honestly, this kind of pseudo-science is indeed a bit remarkable in its creativity and imagination. You can't create something so unbelievably fanciful without some very good ideas. If only they were used where they belong, in the fiction section of literature. I bet these wild hypotheses would fit a very fascinating - but still frankly totally unrealistic - conlang for some sort of Albanian Middle Earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus10 View Post
    Depends, because every language, is a very complex structure. Within a language, there are different ways, to express something.
    For example , to express a motion action you can use:

    He walked away

    but also you can say:

    he left

    this is the same in Albanian too, you can say:

    ai u largua

    or you can say:

    ai iku

    Notice, the second word is not including the "l" sound, because it uses a different consonant, which carries different sound perceptive properties, using different approach to reach the same meaning. In this case, the sound "k", is an ideo-sound~ideogram for a physical property. Its presence in the word, means something physical is mirrored from the reality, and combined with the initial vowel "i", it means: 'that physical thing is no longer there'=left.
    i---> serves as a privative(ex. i-rational)
    k--->representing smth physical

    In Albanian, k is present in every body part word:

    kerme---carcass
    koke---head
    kembe---foot, leg
    kurriz----back
    kraharor--chest
    krah----arm
    kellqe--hip
    kerthize---belly button, navel
    kocke---bone
    kafke---skull
    kar--dick
    kyç---wrist
    kerci--fibula
    kofshe--thights
    koqe--testicle

    etc etc
    Every, you mean, EVERY body part? Very interesting. Then why do these links lie using so many words without k- for body parts in Albanian? They are soooo misleading to us... :-O

    http://polymath.org/albanian_body.php



    Head: kokë
    Hair: flöke
    Eye: sy
    Face: fytyrë
    Cheek: faqe
    Mouth: gojë
    Nose: hundë
    Ear: vesh
    Neck: qafë
    Arm: krah
    Hand: dorë
    Belly: bark
    Leg: këmbë
    Feet: këmbët
    Knee: gju
    Elbow: bërryl
    Fingers: gishtat

    Mouth: Gojë-a
    Nose: Hundë-a
    Tongue: Gjuhë-a
    Teeth: Dhëmbët
    Ear: Vesh-i
    Eye: Sy-ri
    Face: Fytyrë-ra
    Head: Kokë-a
    Neck: Qafë-a
    Arm: Krah-u
    Shoulder: Sup-i
    Chest: Kraharor-i
    Back: Kurriz-i
    Fingers: Gishtat
    Feet: Këmbët
    Hair: Flokët
    Hand: Dorë-ra
    Heart: Zemra
    Leg: Këmbë-a
    Stomach: Stomak-u

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    @Zeus10

    Delete the foul word you have used in your post #19, or I will give you an infraction for using inappropriate language.

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    The body as a whole "kerma"(alb) contains 6 major 'parts': head, chest, arms, back, legs and bones, and they all in Albanian starts with "k". We cant consider the eyebrow as a body part, and the mouth, is not quite a part. Most of the names on your list are features and subfeatures, starting with first 7, which all belong to the head which has 3 synonyms: koke, kaptine, krye, which all start with a "k". For the stomach, heart and every other internal organ, they don't stand out so visibly as body parts. As for the fingers and the hand, they are just extension of the arm and the knees part of the legs. You get the point although your observation is not important to dismiss the validity of the linguistic argument on the first place.

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