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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Just going by your 23andme results from v4 that your "son" posted, a critical mass of your genetics are similar to that of an Italian, which by that centrum means similar from Lazio to Sicily. Not to mention the "broadly southern European" which is also basically Italian that hasn't been yet classified as such. So what does that make, 50% or more? Being that you're an original Lega Nord supporter, how do you like that?
    They are Not my results, they are his.....my 23andme test was version 3
    and what are you trying to say .........my son will say nationally he is only Australian..............and does a vote for a certain political party indicate if one is Italian or not!
    I think you are confused of what is Italian nationality and what is italian ethnicity . The constitution states that Italian Nationality only began in 1861 , clearly Italian ethnicity is very much older ............if you want these admixture results to indicate nationality , you need to talk to the programmers and make a change
    There were no Italian citizens prior to 17 March 1861,
    Why do you want people whose ethnicity in these types of programs declare themselves italian or any other race ...........is it because the do not reach 50% italian ?
    here is my sons, Myheritage results..........clearly far better results than 23andme
    Europe 100.0%
    South Europe 76.6%
    Italian 64.7%
    Iberian 11.9%
    East Europe 23.4%
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    ^^
    We're talking about genetics. V3 and V4 of 23andme have the same centrum for what they classify as the Italian component. As I stated before, those versions of the component actually represents Southern Italian genetic samples. It was only in V5 that 23andme put the centrum for Italian by what seems to be the Tuscan to Lazio regions. So what I'm saying is that a critical mass or more (if you consider the "Broadly Southern European" too) of your genetics is similar to people from Lazio to Sicily, according to V3. Which is why I asked you, as you are an original Lega Nord member, "what do you think about that?".

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    Sile, there's no doubt in my mind you're Australian in terms of nationality! You're biologically or genetically Venetian Italian but that doesn't take away your status as an Australian national in the same way the typical British Australian being close to British people doesn't take away from their status as Australian nationals.
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    Yep I got British citizenship but northen Spanish admixture. I feel both to be honest so I understand davef very well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^^
    We're talking about genetics. V3 and V4 of 23andme have the same centrum for what they classify as the Italian component. As I stated before, those versions of the component actually represents Southern Italian genetic samples. It was only in V5 that 23andme put the centrum for Italian by what seems to be the Tuscan to Lazio regions. So what I'm saying is that a critical mass or more (if you consider the "Broadly Southern European" too) of your genetics is similar to people from Lazio to Sicily, according to V3. Which is why I asked you, as you are an original Lega Nord member, "what do you think about that?".
    I have always maintained that 23andme is rubbish and slightly better than ancestry..........i only joined because v3 had medical reports, but even those in some cases are 100 % wrong.

    i think , since you know a lot about broadly southern european being italian , then its fine with me..............so does one get upgraded to v5 as i do not want to waste my money with the company

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    They are Not my results, they are his.....my 23andme test was version 3
    and what are you trying to say .........my son will say nationally he is only Australian..............and does a vote for a certain political party indicate if one is Italian or not!
    I think you are confused of what is Italian nationality and what is italian ethnicity . The constitution states that Italian Nationality only began in 1861 , clearly Italian ethnicity is very much older ............if you want these admixture results to indicate nationality , you need to talk to the programmers and make a change
    There were no Italian citizens prior to 17 March 1861,
    Why do you want people whose ethnicity in these types of programs declare themselves italian or any other race ...........is it because the do not reach 50% italian ?
    here is my sons, Myheritage results..........clearly far better results than 23andme
    Europe 100.0%
    South Europe 76.6%
    Italian 64.7%
    Iberian 11.9%
    East Europe 23.4%
    East European 16.4%
    Balkan 7.0%
    is this the new regional reporting or its not out yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdeoF View Post
    Yep I got British citizenship but northen Spanish admixture. I feel both to be honest so I understand davef very well
    Thank you!

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    Here's a little update they made to their blog, where they organize the new additions by geographical region.

    https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/23...y-composition/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here's a little update they made to their blog, where they organize the new additions by geographical region.

    https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/23...y-composition/
    Didn't they used to have Palestinians going along with Jordan?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Didn't they used to have Palestinians going along with Jordan?
    Indeed, this is from the current ancestry composition populations they have up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Indeed, this is from the current ancestry composition populations they have up.

    Maybe it's just a typo. I don't know why they'd drop reference populations. I've always felt, though, that it's tricky diving up the Levant the way that they do, with Palestinians and Jordanians going with North Africans and Druze, Lebanese and Syrians going with Caucasus populations. It's just a matter of degree, I suppose, with Palestinians and Jordanians having less "Caucasus" compered to Lebanese and Syrians. I wonder if part of it is also that some Palestinians and Jordanians have more SSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Maybe it's just a typo. I don't know why they'd drop reference populations. I've always felt, though, that it's tricky diving up the Levant the way that they do, with Palestinians and Jordanians going with North Africans and Druze, Lebanese and Syrians going with Caucasus populations. It's just a matter of degree, I suppose, with Palestinians and Jordanians having less "Caucasus" compered to Lebanese and Syrians. I wonder if part of it is also that some Palestinians and Jordanians have more SSA.
    I just sent an e-mail to the 23andme support staff inquiring about it.

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    I don’t understand why it’s going to take months to update everyone? Other companies like FTDNA updated everyone at once. I think Ancestry took a few weeks. Gencove was everyone at once. They sent an email too which was nice.

    If it’s going to take months they should’ve waited to make any announcements. It’s like reminding a kid about Christmas in July. What’s the point to draw their attention to it so early? They should at least send an email to the person when their account is updated to avoid the random daily or weekly checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I just sent an e-mail to the 23andme support staff inquiring about it.
    Still haven't heard back from the company in regards to my e-mail. I called them, but I didn't get much of a clear answer, but she assured me someone will respond eventually.

    Also, the person I spoke to said the update should be rolling out within 1 to 2 months for all of it's users.

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    Here's the response:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here's the response:

    At this point I don’t really care to keep checking everyday. Maybe I’ll check again in a month from now lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    At this point I don’t really care to keep checking everyday. Maybe I’ll check again in a month from now lol.
    If it's only going back 200 years, to the early 19th century, it should say I'm 100% Italian. It's going back 9 generations, to your great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents. I didn't know them or have a tree to confirm (though I'd like to make one soon), but my grand parents knew their grand parents; and they were Italian. I knew my great-grandmother too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    If it's only going back 200 years, to the early 19th century, it should say I'm 100% Italian. It's going back 9 generations, to your great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents. I didn't know them or have a tree to confirm (though I'd like to make one soon), but my grand parents knew their grand parents; and they were Italian. I knew my great-grandmother too.
    I'm Apulian, I have dots only on Italy. It's correct since I have only italians ancestors in the last 200 years.

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    My results:

    • European

      98.8%


    • Italian

      57.3%

      Italy

      We predict you had ancestors that lived in Italy within the last 200 years.

    • Balkan

      30.5%


    • Ashkenazi Jewish

      0.3%


    • Broadly Southern European

      10.2%


    • Broadly European

      0.5%


    • Western Asian & North African

      1.0%


    • Western Asian

      0.7%


    • Broadly Western Asian & North African

      0.4%


    • Unassigned

      0.2%


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    New regions at 23andme?

    Quote Originally Posted by christa View Post
    I'm Apulian, I have dots only on Italy. It's correct since I have only italians ancestors in the last 200 years.
    If your Ancestors are all Pugliesi it would be also interesting if you post the results of the Italian dots.
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    I have only 4 dots on Italy. Nothing for other ethnicities.
    In last 200 years my ancestors are all central Apulia (Bari province) and someone of Basilicata.Far ancestors from others Nations.

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    New regions at 23andme?

    Thank you Christa :)
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    Also, a refinement of the Ancestry timeline. Before the update, 23andme predicted I had an E. European ancestor - now, despite my EE % remaining the same (at 0.7%), they basically did better maths and realised that (and I've done the maths) as this 0.7% was on my X DNA (looks about 25% of it), the very very earliest I could have had an E. European ancestor (at least from the ancestry composition from 23andme) is 8 generations.EDIT: Actually, I've just realised that 23andme is without a doubt wrong about that Eastern Euro admix. full stop. I'll attach an imgur link below, but basically, from my understanding of X DNA inheritance, the earliest I could have had a fully Eastern European ancestor is 3 generations ago (absolutely impossible given my genealogy and admix.), and the latest is 5 generations ago (extremely unlikely given my admix. - though genealogy there was lost with the Holocaust). Fyi, my admix. aside from my X chromosome is basically fully Ashkenazi.And no, I'm not saying I have no Eastern European ancestors - just not those who are outside of the Ashkenazi reference population used by 23andme, or at least not any that can possibly show up to an appreciable resolution.

    I suppose this is a great example of why not to take genetic testing as gospel.

    Oh and as further evidence, on the V4 chip, my Eastern Euro admix. completely disappears above 60% certainty.

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    Actually hold on, I've spotted an error

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