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    New regions at 23andme?

    I saw this announcement about 23andme.

    "23andMe is getting more specific with its DNA ancestry tests, adding 120 new regions"
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/28/23an...stry-test.html

    Has anyone seen any change in their results yet?


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    New regions at 23andme?

    Negative. Still the same.
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    It says you can expect to access it in "the coming weeks" in the article

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    It looks like they've added a lot of African regions, which is good news, particularly for their American customer base.

    Also, looks like refined IBD analysis of some sort. We'll see how good it is. Some of us actually know who our ancestors were for the last 500 years.

    If they're going to change the labels I hope they fix up the labeling in the Near East. There are still, believe it or not, people out there who don't get that "North Africa" in their scheme includes Palestinians, Jordanians, Saudis.

    I also hope they take another look at how to divide up the countries between North Africa and the "Middle East". Since the publication of the paper on the ancient Egyptians, I do get how Egypt and Palestinians, Jordanians, and Saudis could group together, but the latter Levantine populations don't really cluster with Tunisia for example. Too much time and drift has passed since their common ancient ancestors. Maybe they need three groupings, although I know how tricky it would be as to dividing up the Levant populations.

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    Looks like this is 23andMe’s marketing response to Ancestry’s Genetic Communities. Competition between these companies is good for the consumer. However, I believe the future lies in what Living DNA is doing which is regional breakdowns within nationalistic borders.

    If I had my own company I would try to differentiate myself from my competitors by testing even more snps not less. This is what confounds me about all these companies adopting imputation. The future of the industry lies in more accuracy which I believe lies in more regions and more snps.

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    I checked again, and they updated the blog. Here's a list of new regional ancestries they're going to include. However, it doesn't look like all of them, I believe:

    List of Regions and Countries Included in this Ancestry Composition Update

    Afghanistan

    Albania

    Egypt

    American Samoa

    Argentina

    Armenia

    Aruba

    Austria

    Azerbaijan

    Morocco

    Bangladesh

    Belarus

    Belgium

    Belize

    Bolivia

    Bosnia and Herzegovina

    Brazil

    Bulgaria

    Cabo Verde

    Cambodia

    Cameroon

    Chile

    China

    Colombia

    Costa Rica

    Croatia

    Cuba

    Cyprus

    Czechia

    Denmark

    Dominican Republic

    Ecuador

    Algeria

    El Salvador

    Eritrea

    Estonia

    Ethiopia

    Fiji

    France

    Georgia

    Germany

    Ghana

    Greece

    Guam

    Guatemala

    Honduras

    Hong Kong

    Hungary

    Iceland

    India

    Indonesia

    Iran, Islamic Republic of

    Iraq

    Ireland

    Italy

    Saudi Arabia

    Kazakhstan

    Kenya

    Korea, Democratic People’s Republic of

    Korea, Republic of

    Tunisia

    Kyrgyzstan

    Lao People’s Democratic Republic

    Latvia

    Lebanon

    Liberia

    Yemen

    Lithuania

    Luxembourg

    Macedonia, Republic of

    Malaysia

    Malta

    Mauritius

    Mexico

    Moldova, Republic of

    Mongolia

    Montenegro

    Jordan

    Myanmar

    Nepal

    Netherlands

    Nicaragua

    Nigeria

    Norway

    Pakistan

    Panama

    Paraguay

    Peru

    Philippines

    Poland

    Portugal

    Puerto Rico

    Romania

    Russian Federation

    Samoa

    Kuwait

    Serbia

    Singapore

    Slovakia

    Slovenia

    Somalia

    Spain

    Sri Lanka

    Sudan

    Sweden

    Switzerland

    Syrian Arab Republic

    Taiwan, Province of China

    Thailand

    Tonga

    Libya

    Turkey

    Ukraine

    United Arab Emirates

    United Kingdom

    Uruguay

    Uzbekistan

    Venezuela

    Viet Nam

    Bahrain

    https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/23...y-composition/

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwauthy View Post
    Looks like this is 23andMe’s marketing response to Ancestry’s Genetic Communities. Competition between these companies is good for the consumer. However, I believe the future lies in what Living DNA is doing which is regional breakdowns within nationalistic borders.

    If I had my own company I would try to differentiate myself from my competitors by testing even more snps not less. This is what confounds me about all these companies adopting imputation. The future of the industry lies in more accuracy which I believe lies in more regions and more snps.
    I don't even know if I should even spend money on these things if they're expected to produce different results each time, like say you're 1/2 English 1/2 French and after the first time you take a 23 and me test you get exactly that, then the next version of 23 and me rolls around and says 25 percent English, 12.5 percent Russian and 62.5 percent French. Then again I'm not sure if getting results that are that different is even possible.

    I can see how people who were adopted would find these things useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    I don't even know if I should even spend money on these things if they're expected to produce different results each time, like say you're 1/2 English 1/2 French and after the first time you take a 23 and me test you get exactly that, then the next version of 23 and me rolls around and says 25 percent English, 12.5 percent Russian and 62.5 percent French. Then again I'm not sure if getting results that are that different is even possible.

    I can see how people who were adopted would find these things useful.
    One positive thing that came out of all these conflicting ethnicity estimates is that they pushed me to put the work into digging deeper into my family tree. On my mom’s French Canadian side I am researching the particular location in France where each of her 400 or so ancestors came from in the 17th century. It is tedious but also very informative.

    An ethnicity report is no substitute for a well researched family tree. All ethnicity reports do is show how neighboring regions share similarities. I suppose looking at a map though could accomplish the same objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I checked again, and they updated the blog. Here's a list of new regional ancestries they're going to include. However, it doesn't look like all of them, I believe:
    Well, they're getting pretty darn specific! Aruba? They must have really increased their sample base. Let's see if it's accurate. Now I'm interested to see what will change. Can I get more Italian? I'm at 72.5% currently. However, if it's supposed to be the last 500 years it should be 100%.

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    Wow, does Italian still mean southern Italian? If not, then 23 and me would be even worse for me.

    mwauthy, thanks. I'll add that my only motivation to do these is to find out my ancient percentages (farmer, steppe, hunter gatherer).

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    I guess you've forgotten. We've discussed this a lot here: the centrum now seems to be around Toscana/Lazio. In my case, the remainder is single digit Iberian and the rest is northwest European.

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    Thanks, yes i did forget. I apologize

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    Hmm maybe I should get a 23 and me out soon. I can see how much Spanish I got!! (And also how much italian or english)

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    Saw this in the comments section.

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    i have 27% italian starting at 1870
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    i have 27% italian starting at 1870
    father has 32% starting at 1870
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    Have you updated from the old versions? In other words, which "V" is it?

    On the prior version I was only 50% Italian, and that's at the most speculative setting. On the V5 72% Italian. I think the old ones are really out of date.

    You do realize, also, that this is because they have no academic and achingly few client samples from the Veneto, yes?

    What it's actually telling you if it's the old version is that your father is about 32% Lazio to Sicily.

    I would ignore the dates: they're meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    i have 27% italian starting at 1870
    father has 32% starting at 1870
    gfather has 21% starting at 1810
    v4


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    French & German 20.7%
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    i just ordered mine, i hope it uses the V5 chip (it was on offer so why not)

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    We get it, Zanipolo, neither "you" nor "your father" want to be considered Italian. No wonder you were all original Lega Nord members.

    Alpine-Illyrian, right! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    We get it, Zanipolo, neither "you" nor "your father" want to be considered Italian. No wonder you were all original Lega Nord members.

    Alpine-Illyrian, right! :)
    so someone's 23andme ethnicity results is the source that dictates which nationality they can be! .............by this method there should be no australians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    so someone's 23andme ethnicity results is the source that dictates which nationality they can be! .............by this method there should be no australians
    Italian is not just a nationality, it's also an ethnicity, and obviously you try to down play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Italian is not just a nationality, it's also an ethnicity, and obviously you try to down play it.
    I do not know what you are looking for in an admixture program, but clearly , everyone I know, knows their own nationality, so they try different admixture programs to find out where their line came from. Isn't this the basis of an admixture program! or am I wrong.

    I do not down play any of it.............I follow what the Italian Constitution states and its terms of what is an Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I do not know what you are looking for in an admixture program, but clearly , everyone I know, knows their own nationality, so they try different admixture programs to find out where their line came from. Isn't this the basis of an admixture program! or am I wrong.

    I do not down play any of it.............I follow what the Italian Constitution states and its terms of what is an Italian.
    Just going by your 23andme results from v4 that your "son" posted, a critical mass of your genetics are similar to that of an Italian, which by that centrum means similar from Lazio to Sicily. Not to mention the "broadly southern European" which is also basically Italian that hasn't been yet classified as such. So what does that make, 50% or more? Being that you're an original Lega Nord supporter, how do you like that?

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