Angela
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Razib Khan has been running an analysis on their data sets versus Greeks and Armenians.
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018...menian/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He concludes they're about equidistant between Anatolian Greeks and Armenians. Is that right?
See:
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018...menian/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"To my mild surprise, the Anatolian Greeks and Cypriots cluster together, at the end of the Greece cline toward West Asians. :
I disagree with his following conclusion. I would think there are other reasons why Bulgarians, even Bulgarian Turks, might have some East Asian other than inter-marriage with Ottoman Turks. Perhaps Eastara will see this and opine.
"Additionally, there are two Balkan Turk samples. Even on the PCA it’s pretty clear that they’re genetically very different from the other Turks (one of them is from what has become Bulgaria), though the shift toward East Asians indicates that Turkification is very rarely a matter purely of religious conversion to Islam and assimilation of the Turkish language (obviously it initially is for many people, but these people then intermarry with those with some East Asian ancestry)."
"One of the major problems is that the Armenian sample and the Anatolian Greek/Cypriot sample are genetically very close. This is obvious in the Fst distance. This is also totally reasonable since both populations occupy Anatolia, and historically there would have been a lot of gene flow between the two groups through isolation-by-distance dynamics."
"In terms of drift the Turks seem about as far from Anatolian Greeks as Armenians. There’s the gene flow you’d expect, there are two from East Asians to Turks. I think that’s due to the East Asian source being somewhat heterogeneous, and the Dai outgroup not modeling the source populations perfectly."
"Finally, there’s the f3 statistics. They basically show what I’m saying above: Armenians and Anatolian Greeks are both good model sources for Turks. The likely truth is that there is gene flow from all across Anatolia into these Turkish samples."
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018...menian/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
He concludes they're about equidistant between Anatolian Greeks and Armenians. Is that right?
See:
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018...menian/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
"To my mild surprise, the Anatolian Greeks and Cypriots cluster together, at the end of the Greece cline toward West Asians. :
I disagree with his following conclusion. I would think there are other reasons why Bulgarians, even Bulgarian Turks, might have some East Asian other than inter-marriage with Ottoman Turks. Perhaps Eastara will see this and opine.
"Additionally, there are two Balkan Turk samples. Even on the PCA it’s pretty clear that they’re genetically very different from the other Turks (one of them is from what has become Bulgaria), though the shift toward East Asians indicates that Turkification is very rarely a matter purely of religious conversion to Islam and assimilation of the Turkish language (obviously it initially is for many people, but these people then intermarry with those with some East Asian ancestry)."
"One of the major problems is that the Armenian sample and the Anatolian Greek/Cypriot sample are genetically very close. This is obvious in the Fst distance. This is also totally reasonable since both populations occupy Anatolia, and historically there would have been a lot of gene flow between the two groups through isolation-by-distance dynamics."
"In terms of drift the Turks seem about as far from Anatolian Greeks as Armenians. There’s the gene flow you’d expect, there are two from East Asians to Turks. I think that’s due to the East Asian source being somewhat heterogeneous, and the Dai outgroup not modeling the source populations perfectly."
"Finally, there’s the f3 statistics. They basically show what I’m saying above: Armenians and Anatolian Greeks are both good model sources for Turks. The likely truth is that there is gene flow from all across Anatolia into these Turkish samples."