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Thread: Impact of the Neolithic and the Bronze Age on Iberia

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    Not sure why people keep mentioning Spain and "Basques" specifically. R1b rates are equal, and in many cases higher in studies from Ireland and Wales than among Basque studies. Basques are realistically only 75-80% R1b, and mostly under a few young clusters.

    Better question is why the CHG levels are different in supervised and unsupervised runs. Studies have suggested continuity in the mtDNA which can account for why I2 outlasted the YDNA of the Mediterranean farmers, and is likely the reason why R1b outlasted during the Bronze Age. Basque territory aDNA during the Neolithic did not yield any M269+, but did yield G2 and I2.

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    I have no idea as to the purpose of this post. Did you notice this is a thread about IBERIA?

    Why would there be an emphasis on British R1b.

    Who cares about that in this context? Afraid someone might get the idea the Basque are more R1b than the British?

    Unreal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I have no idea as to the purpose of this post. Did you notice this is a thread about IBERIA?

    Why would there be an emphasis on British R1b.

    Who cares about that in this context? Afraid someone might get the idea the Basque are more R1b than the British?

    Unreal.
    Quoting false statistics and spreading misinformation perhaps? Just a thought

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    I subscribe to this interesting thread, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berun View Post
    in 13 centuries such area changed 4 times of language, Iberian, Latin, Arab, Spanish...
    a bit off topic but it seems latin 'mozarabic' was still spoken during muslim rules spite the arab of the elites

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    yes, five languages then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    The remains were taken to the University of Granada and they never saw the haplogrupos published, and already several years ago.
    Could you give more information?

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    Does anyone here know whether the early farmers used boats?

    If they didn't, and walked their way from Anatolia, it must have taken quite a while. Maybe time enough from some genetic drift to make them distinguishable from their northern counterparts.
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    Dates for the spread of the Neolithic in Europe.


    So long as it was on approximately the same latitude, which meant their agricultural and animal package was suited to the climate, it spread rapidly.

    A Neolithic log boat from Ireland dated to about 5500 years ago. Yes, they were used to hug the North Mediterranean coast as well. Brave people to take to the Mediterranean with pigs, cattle, goats, seeds, and their families in these things.
    https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/str...ithic-log-boat

    This one is covered in hides:


    In terms of genetic change, they didn't change much at all going by PCAs, i.e. the first EEF were only a few percent different in terms of WHG from the Anatolian farmers. You can see the placement of the Iberian Neolithic. With a few thousand years they picked up some more WHG, but the big changes came only after some injection of steppe ancestry.


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    I publish here several oracles of mine as a contribution to science and if it serves to improve the Iberian world better.
    I think the Iberian was a Altaic language of origin.
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