The point is Jovialis is that you consider this as a matter of academics......I consider this not only as a thing of nutty and or woke professors. This is a matter in politics too.....And as fare as I can see not only the oddity of the theories but the political power to 'pollute' the discours is much stronger from the extreme right.... in the US as in Europe. We in the Netherlands already live in a situation in which 'boreality' is already introduced in the debate.
So we can't give a crap about them meanwhile they try to dominate the discours
etrified:
I've spent my entire more than ten years commenting on population genetics fighting the racialism which has always been present in the "amateur" world, as perhaps you know. I've said more than once that it's the dark underbelly of population genetics.
So, I do find it troubling and alarming that "boreality" which is just another word for Nordicism, is now an accepted part of the political conversation in Europe. I take a grim amusement in the fact that as to my concerns that racialism was still a "mostly" silent substratum in a lot of discussions about population genetics particularly as it affects Italian and Greek and perhaps even Balkan genetics, I was, and am, often told that I was seeing things which weren't there.
It doesn't matter that it makes no sense; that no rational person could believe, for example, that the civilizations which formed the basis for western civilization, i.e the ancient Roman and Greek civilizations were "Nordic", just as it didn't matter that the Nazi propaganda that Jews were "inferior" made no sense. Dangerous ideas can spread even if they make no sense.
Where I would differ, and perhaps Jovialis as well, although I really shouldn't speak for him, is that in the U.S., despite what the news coverage might lead you to believe, this kind of discussion could never happen either in the political arena or in private. If some tiny minority believes it, most keep quiet about it; those who speak it out loud become pariahs. I know you probably won't believe me, but it's true. People like that are a tiny, tiny, minority, dwarfed by the number of anti fa and BLM supporters. I know a lot of Trump supporters, more since I've moved further away from N.Y.C., and I've never heard an anti-Jewish, anti-Near Easterner or Indian or Chinese or Black statement come out of their mouths.
I don't think it would even occur to them to make a Southern European comment. You forget how many whole or part Southern Italians not only live in the U.S. but have become prominent and completely accepted. It's a different world from Europe. I've never in my life in the U.S. been belittled or attacked for my ethnicity, but it happened in Switzerland, and in Germany, places I will never again visit and whose products I will under no circumstances buy. Hell, some of the Trump supporters "are" Italian or Hispanic or Jewish, and even black, the latter of which is small but growing. I'm not saying these bigoted beliefs or feelings didn't once exist, but I'm sure I'm older than you, and even anti-black comments are a distant memory. The civil rights movement completely put an end to that kind of thinking.
The reason that some of us are so "anti-Woke", is that this ideology is not only becoming mainstream by force in the U.S., it is controlling the present and the future. It isn't right wing policies which have led to the wave of violence shaking this country, affecting predominantly the minority areas of major cities but now spilling outward, the virtual shuttering down of once wonderful American cities like San Francisco because of riots, large scale coordinated looting, and on and on. Right wingers aren't telling school children they should sit with their "race" during lunch and at recess. What are Americans to think when our government had us on lockdown for so long, living with masks, getting all our injections, and then seeing a wide open border where the unvaccinated flow through unhindered, people who in a time when so many Americans are suffering from economic hardship, will get financial aid, driving licenses, and in some cases a right to vote even though they're not citizens and don't even hold a green card. That certainly wasn't how it worked when we immigrated here. Or how about the horrifying number of deaths from opiate and cocaine addiction? Those drugs come into the country unimpeded with those same migrants.
To point these things out and to be concerned about them is not to be a racialist or even to be an extreme right winger. I've never voted for Trump, and I think and thought he was a loud mouthed jerk, but even supporting him doesn't make someone a racialist. These concerns are real and if not addressed I fear for my adopted country.
