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    U5a2b* in Italy: more Greek or Roman?

    U5a2b would seem more of Greek origin, considering that it is more in southern Italy above all Sicily, Calabria and Puglia or more Roman (Latin colonization)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbo View Post
    U5a2b would seem more of Greek origin, considering that it is more in southern Italy above all Sicily, Calabria and Puglia or more Roman (Latin colonization)?
    U5a2b has been found in Bronze Age Hungary and in a Scythian.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ep43950-s2.xls

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/p...ntalFile3.xlsx

    My mtdna is U5a2b5 and my maternal ancestry is from Cattolica Eraclea, Agrigento, Sicilia, my oldest maternal ancestor I found dates to the mid 1700’s from a neighbouring village Montallegro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzurro View Post
    U5a2b has been found in Bronze Age Hungary and in a Scythian.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ep43950-s2.xls

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/p...ntalFile3.xlsx

    My mtdna is U5a2b5 and my maternal ancestry is from Cattolica Eraclea, Agrigento, Sicilia, my oldest maternal ancestor I found dates to the mid 1700’s from a neighbouring village Montallegro.

    U5a2b* in Italy: more Greek or Roman?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbo View Post
    U5a2b* in Italy: more Greek or Roman?
    More likely Pan Italic so Roman is more probable than Greek in my opinion, maybe more ancient samples could solve this question.

    https://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l1...5a/u5a2/u5a2b/

    I guess it depends the which branch of U5a2b.

    I have 3 mtdna matches on ftdna, 1 is Sicilian and 2 are Latina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzurro View Post
    More likely Pan Italic so Roman is more probable than Greek in my opinion, maybe more ancient samples could solve this question.

    https://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l1...5a/u5a2/u5a2b/

    I guess it depends the which branch of U5a2b.

    I have 3 mtdna matches on ftdna, 1 is Sicilian and 2 are Latina.
    I'm U5a2b. Apulia, Francavilla Fontana, Brindisi/Taranto

    Brindisi (Brundisium) and Taranto were both Greek and Roman colonies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azzurro View Post
    U5a2b has been found in Bronze Age Hungary and in a Scythian.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ep43950-s2.xls

    https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/p...ntalFile3.xlsx

    My mtdna is U5a2b5 and my maternal ancestry is from Cattolica Eraclea, Agrigento, Sicilia, my oldest maternal ancestor I found dates to the mid 1700’s from a neighbouring village Montallegro.
    Eraclea?
    interesting name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbo View Post
    I'm U5a2b. Apulia, Francavilla Fontana, Brindisi/Taranto

    Brindisi (Brundisium) and Taranto were both Greek and Roman colonies
    Did you test with National Geographic? The furthest you got was U5a2b?

    It could be both but I think U5a2b is more likely to be Roman than Greek, U5a2b isn’t generally found in Greeks, Greeks usually belong to other branches of U5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Eraclea?
    interesting name.
    Yeah, there is the ancient ruins of the Greek city Eraclea Minoa not far from the village.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbo View Post
    U5a2b* in Italy: more Greek or Roman?
    Most likely the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Eraclea?
    interesting name.
    eraclea , once was capital of the veneti
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraclea
    The first certain settlement is that one of the Opitergians, between IV and III century before Christ.
    Histrian, Liburnian and Opitergians illyrians side with Pompey in the civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    eraclea , once was capital of the veneti
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraclea
    The first certain settlement is that one of the Opitergians, between IV and III century before Christ.
    Histrian, Liburnian and Opitergians illyrians side with Pompey in the civil war.
    In the case of Cattolica Eraclea, it has absolutely nothing to do with the Veneti but with the ancient Greek city located on the Outskirts Eraclea Minoa, Eraclea means pride of Hera and is the female variant of Herakles or Ercole.

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