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- J2b2-L283
I think that J2b2-L283 just happened to be more common in the Balkans today due to a founder effect in the Illyrian population. Otherwise J2b2-L283 is found pretty much all over Europe, even if at lower frequencies in the north.
I agree. There sure were founder effects after the arrival in illyria, yes. And L283 probably were in small numbers, yes.
But i was not claiming L283 came in big numbers, but rather that there is no proof they were just commoners. Or at least the chance that they were commoners is just the same as for any of the 3 other Hg's mentioned. Both M417, Z2103, L51 and L283 experienced founder effects after the dispersals from the steppe. And all of them can be found all throughout europe in residual amounts. I dont know much about M417 and L51, but both R1b-Z2103 and J2b2-L283 have been found in high status bronze age graves, and now also "high" status neolithic graves in Iran.
Maybe it was me who misunderstood your first post, but it just seemed like L51, Z2103 and M417 were presented as high status lineages, while all other steppe lineages (J2b-L283 and other minor R1b/R1a clades) were presented as 'commoners'.
Small numbers of J2b2-L283 in the steppe migrants does not mean that they were insignificant. Remember for a 1000 soldiers there is 1 king, not a 1000 kings for 1 soldier.
Anyways these are just minor details, and its just my opinion.
In the big strokes we pretty much agree on what happened; J2b2-L283 came from the east during the bronze age, and multiplied their numbers in the balkans during the ethnogenesis of the Illyrians, as well as after the ethnogenesis. While in the rest of Europe, the amount of J2b2-L283 stayed residual. (until roman expansionism began later of course. Which with the help of balkan soldiers would raise the level of J2b2-L283 once again in places like spain, britain and Italy.)