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    oh Boy

    The remannts of The Byzantine Empire
    The Romioi of East Orthodox Church,
    In the Service of Venice,
    But no Alabnians were not Romioi

    AND MOST OF THEM GREEKS, AND ARBANITES
    FASCINATES THE ALBANIANS members, WOW for their Bravery?

    AND THE CHERRY PIE.

    LABERIA WILL YOU ALSO WRITE ABOUT THEM?

    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,

    OR NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE GREEKS?


    At least about the Montenegrins
    or the rest Balkans


    LABERIA PLZ WRITE ALSO ABOUT NON YENISSARIES SIPAHI,
    ESPECIALLY the kapalki-Kapalku Garip ones.
    the famous Ottoman Cavalry

    I find interesting the story and the origin of Sipahi forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    OK

    I ASK WHY THIS THREAD IS OPEN?
    THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE,
    Cause I think there is something Behind,
    Isn't it the same with everything for you, Yetos? I bet it is Soros behind, lol.
    What behind this is that people love to talk about their history and feel proud of it. So, please don't wreck another thread on Eupedia seeing shadows of bankers, hidden agendas and enemies everywhere. At least once, show human face and extend an open hand.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Isn't it the same with everything for you, Yetos? I bet it is Soros behind, lol.
    What behind this is that people love to talk about their history and feel proud of it. So, please don't wreck another thread on Eupedia seeing shadows of bankers, hidden agendas and enemies everywhere. At least once, show human face and extend an open hand.

    Nah

    notice they using the Neo-Greek history,
    and yet they will mention a single Greek,
    a single non Albanian,
    and at the end they will finish that Greeks do not Existed,
    and all modern Greece is Albanian,

    Propaganda in Balkans is very ahead,
    For example they write about the Roman/Byzantine remnant forces,
    and they proudly present as Albanian only (they have the right to be proud)
    But are they the same proud for the Famous Sipahi Albanian forces?
    especially the ones who attacked the revolting Greeks?
    NAHHHHH.

    Still wonder why an Albanian from North parts feel proud about a Neo-Greek Arbanitis (Albanian origin)
    And not for the famous Forces they served, The Sipahi, agaist them!!!!
    Still wonder why they are proud about Arbanites,
    and not about the famous Albanian timariot and Sipahi, who at least in my area burned villages for double taxation,

    I wonder how that is called?
    and for the eyes of who is done!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    oh Boy

    The remannts of The Byzantine Empire
    The Romioi of East Orthodox Church,
    In the Service of Venice,
    But no Alabnians were not Romioi
    I'm not saying Romioi = Albanian.

    I'm saying that there did exist people that were born from "Albanian" parents that were die hard loyalists of the Byzantine Empire/Eastern Roman Empire.

    It would have been considered sectarian or schismatic to assert personal Albanian identity for someone that is dedicated to the Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire, and some
    did call themselves Romans ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    "As we have already stressed, the mass evacuation of the Albanians from their triangle is the only effective course we can take. In order to relocate a whole people, the first prerequisite is the creation of a suitable psychosis. This can be done in various ways." - Vaso Cubrilovic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    I'm not saying Romioi = Albanian.

    I'm saying that there did exist people that were born from "Albanian" parents that were die hard loyalists of the Byzantine Empire/Eastern Roman Empire.

    It would have been considered sectarian or schismatic to assert personal Albanian identity for someone that is dedicated to the Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire, and some
    did call themselves Romans ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    But when I used the term Romioi, for the remnants Greco-Albanian of the Byzantine
    Every Albanian was laughing, and said no, Albanians were never Rum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Nah

    notice they using the Neo-Greek history,
    and yet they will mention a single Greek,
    a single non Albanian,
    and at the end they will finish that Greeks do not Existed,
    and all modern Greece is Albanian,

    Propaganda in Balkans is very ahead,
    For example they write about the Roman/Byzantine remnant forces,
    and they proudly present as Albanian only (they have the right to be proud)
    But are they the same proud for the Famous Sipahi Albanian forces?
    especially the ones who attacked the revolting Greeks?
    NAHHHHH.

    Still wonder why an Albanian from North parts feel proud about a Neo-Greek Arbanitis (Albanian origin)
    And not for the famous Forces they served, The Sipahi, agaist them!!!!
    Still wonder why they are proud about Arbanites,
    and not about the famous Albanian timariot and Sipahi, who at least in my area burned villages for double taxation,

    I wonder how that is called?
    and for the eyes of who is done!!!
    Another time we will discuss about the Albanians that served in the Ottoman army and those that served in the Greek army ......don’t take it personally, it seems that for Albanians war was a Business worth the risk.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Nah

    Still wonder why an Albanian from North parts feel proud about a Neo-Greek Arbanitis (Albanian origin)
    And not for the famous Forces they served, The Sipahi, agaist them!!!!

    I wonder how that is called?
    and for the eyes of who is done!!!
    Albanians are proud because for the most part they are proud of resistance against the ottoman empire. Do you know how crazy for
    Skenderbeg Albanians are?

    Those that claim Greeks never existed are a tiny loud minority. Its like basing your opinion of Americans on their Flat Earth community.

    The majority of "muslim" Albanians also fought against Turks for independence. There were some loyalists but that doesn't reflect what
    the peoples will was.

    Picking out collaborators as if they represent what the nation wanted is misleading those that don't know the regions extremely complicated
    history.

    It's like if I said George Lincoln Rockwell represented the American people (pic below) to some chinese guy that doesn't know american history.






    You can read just one account of George Finlay who was a friend of the Greeks and helped them win independence.

    He was not an Albanian propagandist, and he doesn't hold off on describing them negatively.

    For example in one part he describes Albanians as "proud, insolent, turbulent, and greedy of gain."

    But he also documents their contribution to Greek independence and their resistance of
    the ottomans.

    This is just one of many texts where Albanian resistance is documented.



    LINK: http://www.albanianhistory.net/1861_Finlay/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    But when I used the term Romioi, for the remnants Greco-Albanian of the Byzantine
    Every Albanian was laughing, and said no, Albanians were never Rum
    Albanians are not The Borg with a telepathic Hive-mind connection to each other

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    Byzantine Greek STRADIOTI

    One of the most Famous, Komnenos





    ROMIOI STRADIOTI from 1507









    1546



    Straduioti D Palaiologo as Venician (Venician dressed)





    what Hat and what socks
    PALIKARI ΠΑΛΙΚΑΡΙ



    Furnovo dressing




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    @ TO ALL

    lets face it,
    and i stop here cause it is turning ridiculous.

    why someone must be proud when his country is occupied.
    And he serves as a mercenairy to foreign powers


    and offcourse from other families,
    and not of his own!!!

    Personally I am not proud of any Byzantine, as a polytheist my shelf
    Yet i could be proud for the last emeperror Konstantinos Palaiologos for his duty.
    But not for Demetrios or the exiled prince Georgios who served foreign forces as mercenaries.

    Christoferens Colombo
    Was a Genovese citizen
    with possibility of Greek origin from Chios
    Yet he discover America in the name and colours of Elissabeta of Spain,

    who can be proud,
    who takes the glory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Albanians are not The Borg with a telepathic Hive-mind connection to each other
    Albanian Borg sounds like a scifi show I’d watch intensely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
    Albanian Borg sounds like a scifi show I’d watch intensely.
    bahahhah, likewise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Albanians are not The Borg with a telepathic Hive-mind connection to each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    @ TO ALL

    lets face it,
    and i stop here cause it is turning ridiculous.

    why someone must be proud when his country is occupied.
    And he serves as a mercenairy to foreign powers


    and offcourse from other families,
    and not of his own!!!

    Personally I am not proud of any Byzantine, as a polytheist my shelf
    Yet i could be proud for the last emeperror Konstantinos Palaiologos for his duty.
    But not for Demetrios or the exiled prince Georgios who served foreign forces as mercenaries.

    Christoferens Colombo
    Was a Genovese citizen
    with possibility of Greek origin from Chios
    Yet he discover America in the name and colours of Elissabeta of Spain,

    who can be proud,
    who takes the glory?
    You always destroy every thread here with your provocations.
    Now i have a question for you. In the Siege of Candia in Crete, Venetians used among other troops Albanian stradioti, mostly catholics from North Albania but also some Orthodox Albanians from South. The Greeks fought with Venetians or against Venetians?

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    People in the past didn't fight, support, oppose or in general made any political or military move based entirely and solely on ethnic lines. It's simply anachronistic and self-deceiving to try to project modern inter-ethnic relations or conflicts, and modern national feelings, onto pre-modern, particularly pre-modern nationalism people. That observation is especially true of groups of mercenaries, who were usually willing to integrate to their hordes all kinds of foreign people who were willing to be helpful and respect their rules and customs, and of course were willing to work for and even adopt the social/cultural markers of whoever paid them a good amount of money. Irrespective of ethnic origins, their allegiances to this or that nation were tenuous at best. The best way to find reliable information about such ancient groups and understand them better is to avoid projecting present issues onto them and looking at them as some kind of 100% coherent and closed community. Most of the times they weren't, and you could see people from the very same ethnicity fighting on both sides of any war according to their own local, "tribal", parochial interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    You always destroy every thread here with your provocations.
    Now i have a question for you. In the Siege of Candia in Crete, Venetians used among other troops Albanian stradioti, mostly catholics from North Albania but also some Orthodox Albanians from South. The Greeks fought with Venetians or against Venetians?
    Search the story of Crete Better,

    Stradioti were Mercenairies,

    On Contradictory search The Pax Kallergi

    Pax Kallergi was something, cause was done by locals.

    Enough

    as a Person and Human, I do not think is wise to be proud and memorize for someone who fought for money and titles.


    I hate the era when Greeks Fought for foreigns,
    Either Catalans, Venicians, either Turks and Albanians,

    If you as an Albanian you proud for your people fought for money for Germans venicians and Turks,
    I do not know what to say


    FROM THE MOMENT I 'VE SEEN THE TITLE,
    I REALIZE SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG.


    SO I ASK YOU.

    You are proud as ALBANIAN for some Arbanites and Greeks fought as mercenairies for Foreigns, Correct, maybe their Bravery!!!
    Before some months I have posted a Video about The ISIS and the Balkan presence there, I know you did like it
    ARE YOU ALSO PROUD AS ALBANIAN FOR THE ONES WHO FOUGHT AS MERCENAIRIES FOR ISIS? FOR THEIR BRAVERY?
    ARE YOU?

    I Think this thread intension was to show something else, than how proud we or you are, but to ....


    PS
    Yes as Albanian I could be proud for Kastrioti (Byzantine-Rom) and or Vallavan Pasha (Ottoman) cause it is your people's history, your world, Same pride or moarn, no matter who support.
    but to be proud for mercenairies, either fought for Spain Venice Germany, either Ottomans ISIS Jihad, hmm

    If ISIS won, Would you dare and be proud For the Albanian Jihadists that fought for ISIS?
    As you are for Stradioti, the ones who fought for Germans or British or Venicians?

    come on,
    the post is not about national pride,
    it has another Purpose,!!!!!!


    Offcourse among Stratioti there are personalities who manage to escape that figure of mercenairy
    Corcondil Cladas is a quite a figure, who organise army and tried to take back Albania with Kastrioti son.
    his flag



    but generally that is a dark era,
    fighting each other, for others-foreigners.
    understanding that, at least you understand why Albania got indipedence last in Balkans.
    Except if we are 'proud' for our fathers fought bravely for Ottoman Venician etc money, killing each other, and not for their land freedom and peace.

    When you guys understand this,
    then you will see far,


    a kind of Stratioti was also
    Kolokotronis,
    major of British army,
    Katsonis,
    Admiral of Russian navy
    Orlandos
    Italian noble and landowner
    Ypsilantis
    for Russia a prince
    and many Arbanites, I am sure you know them
    etc etc,
    but they avoid to fight each other.
    even for foreign money.
    Last edited by Yetos; 10-04-18 at 03:43.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Search the story of Crete Better,

    Stradioti were Mercenairies,

    On Contradictory search The Pax Kallergi

    Pax Kallergi was something, cause was done by locals.

    Enough

    as a Person and Human, I do not think is wise to be proud and memorize for someone who fought for money and titles.


    I hate the era when Greeks Fought for foreigns,
    Either Catalans, Venicians, either Turks and Albanians,

    If you as an Albanian you proud for your people fought for money for Germans venicians and Turks,
    I do not know what to say


    FROM THE MOMENT I 'VE SEEN THE TITLE,
    I REALIZE SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG.


    SO I ASK YOU.

    You are proud as ALBANIAN for some Arbanites and Greeks fought as mercenairies for Foreigns, Correct, maybe their Bravery!!!
    Before some months I have posted a Video about The ISIS and the Balkan presence there, I know you did like it
    ARE YOU ALSO PROUD AS ALBANIAN FOR THE ONES WHO FOUGHT AS MERCENAIRIES FOR ISIS? FOR THEIR BRAVERY?
    ARE YOU?

    I Think this thread intension was to show something else, than how proud we or you are, but to ....


    PS
    Yes as Albanian I could be proud for Kastrioti (Byzantine-Rom) and or Vallavan Pasha (Ottoman) cause it is your people's history, your world, Same pride or moarn, no matter who support.
    but to be proud for mercenairies, either fought for Spain Venice Germany, either Ottomans ISIS Jihad, hmm

    If ISIS won, Would you dare and be proud For the Albanian Jihadists that fought for ISIS?
    As you are for Stradioti, the ones who fought for Germans or British or Venicians?

    come on,
    the post is not about national pride,
    it has another Purpose,!!!!!!


    Offcourse among Stratioti there are personalities who manage to escape that figure of mercenairy
    Corcondil Cladas is a quite a figure, who organise army and tried to take back Albania with Kastrioti son.
    his flag



    but generally that is a dark era,
    fighting each other, for others-foreigners.
    understanding that, at least you understand why Albania got indipedence last in Balkans.
    Except if we are 'proud' for our fathers fought bravely for Ottoman Venician etc money, killing each other, and not for their land freedom and peace.

    When you guys understand this,
    then you will see far,


    a kind of Stratioti was also
    Kolokotronis,
    major of British army,
    Katsonis,
    Admiral of Russian navy
    Orlandos
    Italian noble and landowner
    Ypsilantis
    for Russia a prince
    and many Arbanites, I am sure you know them
    etc etc,
    but they avoid to fight each other.
    even for foreign money.
    You are all over the place now....slow down. Give us some reference from an article or book for the Greek Stradioti. We want to learn more about them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    You are all over the place now....slow down. Give us some reference from an article or book for the Greek Stradioti. We want to learn more about them.


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    Venice nation used Albanian stradioti as their light cavalry up to the battle of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fornovo

    they lost faith in them as they failed to capture the french king and instead attacked the baggage train

    the albanian stradioti then went into the service of naples ...........while Venice hired greek stradioti

    the best of the stadioti leaders fro venice was
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurio_Bua
    some say he was albanian and some say greek because he was born in the Peloponnese
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    From the book of Paolo Petta:
    Google translation:
    There is another source that describe this event:
    Bayard's Loyal Serviteur [p. 223] described a clash between stradiots and Croats in 1510. The stradiots of Mercurio Rona, allied with the French, fell in with a party of Venetian Croats near Monselice. The Albanians considered the Croats "more Turks than Christian" and captured and butchered them (an attitude that has apparently persisted in the region until today!).
    They cut off their heads [with scimitars] and spiked them on the ends of their stradiots [javelins shod with iron at both ends], asserting that they were not Christians. These men wore a strange headdress, for it was like a maiden's hood. And in the place where they put the head, it was furnished with five or six thick pieces of paper glued together, so that a sword did no more harm to it than to a secrete [steel cap worn under the helmet].
    Some of these records were clearly exaggerated, because it was a common practice to blame the mercenaries and other "unwanted" groups.


    Take,for instance,the Romanians from the Kingdom of Hungary,they were constantly described as setting fire,which was quickly speculated by the Magyar historiography,making them bloodthirsty and always revengeful.


    The Vlachs appeared in the propaganda articles,with rabbiatic eyes and smacking teeth, between a knife,in the background there were some buildings on fire.

    But the truth may have been completely different,we do have the Montenegrin peak Parlitor,which in Romanian means burned,scorched,and in exactly the same place, the clans used to defend themselves against the Ottomans by firing the crops,fields,and retreating into the mountains,a very usual practice in Medieval Wallachia or Moldavia.
    But Parlitor comes from a red area for Vlachness,lots of catuns are recorded out there,and many other mountain peaks,like Durmitor(The Sleeping One),Acipitor(Daco-Romanian only term,Atipitor,The One Who Falls Asleep),Visitor(The Dreamer),which led to another propagandistic theory,the Yugoslav historiography, claimed that the mountaineers were slow,lazy and pushy peoples,the Montenegrins were especially targeted, in contrast to the mainstream Serbs and Croats from the plains that entertained themselves like real Slavo-Sarmatians(this could be the main theme for the Kusturica's Underground trailer).


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEvZUL1d-Zk


    https://books.google.ro/books?id=g3_...0pushy&f=false
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    These stereotypes are in fact simply misunderstandings,who prove that even the Romanians-Vlachs from the Balkans,were not that easy assimilated or related,to the Serbs,Bulgarians or Ottomans.

    EDIT
    See that the Serbian clip treats very well the Albanians, unlike their own 'Serbo-Croatian' Montenegrins.

    EDIT
    The mountain peaks' names have nothing to do with the Romanian way of life,because they were probably used also as refuge places, where they could have met their women,because the tradition is more than clear in this respect:you had to avoid her family members with all costs and to use the most remote lands for dating.
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    Now,the light cavalry was extremely used by the Balkaneers long before the Ottomans,for example,hussar comes from Serbian,while the Albanians and Romanians have preserved the term stallion from Latin.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratioti

    https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/admissarius

    One of the main roles for the Vlachs from the Serbian Kingdom was horse breeding, while the Bulgarian army used them as light cavalrymen.
    The same can be said for ambushes(for Posada,note the strong resemblance between the Wallachian and Morlach hats)


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Posada


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cle_Posada.jpg


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...C_Geissler.jpg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batt..._Cosmin_Forest

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vaslui

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vaslui

    The Moldavians went event further, they managed to Moldovanize some Cossack and Tartar groups.

    Benjamin Tudela speaks obout the typical hit-and-runs attacks of the Vlachs ,he describes them as "fast deers".

    Vlad's Night Attack

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigh...t_Târgovişte
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    I don't know how you Balkanites really are,but we can be extremely fast,even for a samurai,our style of fight can vary from a really unexpected initial attack to a stance when you relentlessly push the other back alot,when the stakes are higher,so is the adrenaline, the head and eyes are no longer moving, while the fists go in many directions with tremendous speed,in my early childhood I was used to be called The Shepherd Dog.

    EDIT

    Ethnographic relevance,this is not an invitation to violence.

    The K1 fighter Catalin Morosanu is of shepherd stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ygorcs View Post
    People in the past didn't fight, support, oppose or in general made any political or military move based entirely and solely on ethnic lines. It's simply anachronistic and self-deceiving to try to project modern inter-ethnic relations or conflicts, and modern national feelings, onto pre-modern, particularly pre-modern nationalism people. That observation is especially true of groups of mercenaries, who were usually willing to integrate to their hordes all kinds of foreign people who were willing to be helpful and respect their rules and customs, and of course were willing to work for and even adopt the social/cultural markers of whoever paid them a good amount of money. Irrespective of ethnic origins, their allegiances to this or that nation were tenuous at best. The best way to find reliable information about such ancient groups and understand them better is to avoid projecting present issues onto them and looking at them as some kind of 100% coherent and closed community. Most of the times they weren't, and you could see people from the very same ethnicity fighting on both sides of any war according to their own local, "tribal", parochial interests.
    Very good observation I have the same opinion but unfortunately most people in present day society do not understand this, simply we or most of us are fed on nation state history and try to apply all this things in past history,when nation state and ideology like we know them today doesn't even existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Search the story of Crete Better,

    Stradioti were Mercenairies,

    On Contradictory search The Pax Kallergi

    Pax Kallergi was something, cause was done by locals.

    Enough
    Let me remember you my question:
    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    You always destroy every thread here with your provocations.
    Now i have a question for you. In the Siege of Candia in Crete, Venetians used among other troops Albanian stradioti, mostly catholics from North Albania but also some Orthodox Albanians from South. The Greeks fought with Venetians or against Venetians?
    I don`t have any reason to search what you suggest me. Since you have some knowledge, you can share with us what you know following my example:

    from Antonina Zhelyazkova's paper: Islamization in the Balkans as a Historiographical Problem: the Southeast-European Perspective in: The Ottomans and the Balkans, A Discussion of Historiography ed. Fikret Adanir, Suraiya Faroqhi

    p 240-244
    Moreover, numerous emigrants from
    the Albanian provinces sought a living as mercenaries, and during the Veneto-Ottoman war for Crete (1644-1669) not only the Catholic northerners, but also some of the Orthodox inhabitants of the South, supported the Republic of Venice.
    ]
    Did the Cretans fought against the Ottomans, or they joined them?

    as a Person and Human, I do not think is wise to be proud and memorize for someone who fought for money and titles.
    It`s simply historical interest. Are you suggesting that we need need to ask for permission to you before starting a thread?


    I hate the era when Greeks Fought for foreigns,
    Either Catalans, Venicians, either Turks and Albanians,
    It`s your problem. It will be very interesting if you share with us this battle of greeks.
    If you as an Albanian you proud for your people fought for money for Germans venicians and Turks,
    I do not know what to say
    You have nothing to say because you have no idea of what we are talking here.

    FROM THE MOMENT I 'VE SEEN THE TITLE,
    I REALIZE SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG.
    The only thing that is going wrong here is your partecipation in this thread. It`s unbelievable for me how a man of your age, probably 50-60 years old, behave in this forum like an teeneager of 15-16 years old, attacking without reason people, ethnic groups and destroying every thread. Below you have an example of your behaviour:


    SO I ASK YOU.

    You are proud as ALBANIAN for some Arbanites and Greeks fought as mercenairies for Foreigns, Correct, maybe their Bravery!!!
    Before some months I have posted a Video about The ISIS and the Balkan presence there, I know you did like it
    ARE YOU ALSO PROUD AS ALBANIAN FOR THE ONES WHO FOUGHT AS MERCENAIRIES FOR ISIS? FOR THEIR BRAVERY?
    ARE YOU?

    I Think this thread intension was to show something else, than how proud we or you are, but to ....


    PS
    Yes as Albanian I could be proud for Kastrioti (Byzantine-Rom) and or Vallavan Pasha (Ottoman) cause it is your people's history, your world, Same pride or moarn, no matter who support.
    but to be proud for mercenairies, either fought for Spain Venice Germany, either Ottomans ISIS Jihad, hmm

    If ISIS won, Would you dare and be proud For the Albanian Jihadists that fought for ISIS?
    As you are for Stradioti, the ones who fought for Germans or British or Venicians?

    come on,
    the post is not about national pride,
    it has another Purpose,!!!!!!


    Offcourse among Stratioti there are personalities who manage to escape that figure of mercenairy
    Corcondil Cladas is a quite a figure, who organise army and tried to take back Albania with Kastrioti son.
    his flag

    Korkodeilos Kladas was an Albanian from Himara.
    but generally that is a dark era,
    fighting each other, for others-foreigners.
    Ok, leave the others to illuminate that period.
    understanding that, at least you understand why Albania got indipedence last in Balkans.
    Except if we are 'proud' for our fathers fought bravely for Ottoman Venician etc money, killing each other, and not for their land freedom and peace.

    When you guys understand this,
    then you will see far,
    Albania was de facto an indipendente country at the beggining of the XIX century. Unfortunately the Great Powers supported the Ottomans in what can be considered an second occupation of Albania by the Ottomans, betraying the Albanians from one side and from the other side they sent an army and liberated your country. Learn some history before talking.



    a kind of Stratioti was also
    Kolokotronis,
    major of British army,

    Katsonis,
    Admiral of Russian navy
    Orlandos
    Italian noble and landowner
    Ypsilantis
    for Russia a prince
    and many Arbanites, I am sure you know them
    etc etc,
    but they avoid to fight each other.
    even for foreign money.
    Kolokotronis, i mean the warrior and the leader not the myth that you worship today, was an Arvanite, i.e. Albanian who was part for some time of the Albanian Regiment in the islands like many other notable Albanians.

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    @ LABERIA.

    YOU STILL DO UNDERSTAND OR YOU SEEM NOT TO UNDERSTAND.

    SEARCH. PAX KALLERGI
    there is your answer.

    IN FACT WHEN MERCENAIRIES CAME TO MY AREA
    I MAYBE EVEN DO NOT LOOK THEIR ORIGIN,


    SEARCH PAX KALLERGI
    your answer is There.

    come on Historian,
    you have found rare sources,
    that is an easy one.

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