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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Guys you quote me before I finish
    You comment one sentence, then you edit it one hour later and it triples in size. Editing to fix a type or even add an extra sentence is no issue, but your posts always triple in size, and often change
    and add entirely new things that change the meaning of the post so that replies seem like they are irrelevant.

    You should wait and comment it all in one go rather than keeping on editing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    You comment one sentence, then you edit it one hour later and it triples in size. Editing to fix a type or even add an extra sentence is no issue, but your posts always triple in size, and often change
    and add entirely new things that change the meaning of the post so that replies seem like they are irrelevant.

    You should wait and comment it all in one go rather than keeping on editing it.
    Sorry

    but I am not prepaired to make copy/paste
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    Régiment albanais 1807-1814


    Google translation from french:
    Albanian Regiment 1807-1814






    When France took possession of the Ionian Islands in 1807, following the treaty of Tilsitt, General César Berthier, governor of the Seven Islands proposed to the Emperor to take in his pay a body of 3,000 Albanians dismissed by the Russians, as well as a guard of 500 men who was in Corfu.
    By a decision of October 12, 1807, the Emperor approved the measure by prescribing that there would be attached a French colonel to command them.
    It was Colonel Minot who was placed at the head of this body on November 30, 1807. The Albanian regiment was organized in six battalions to six companies, including one elite.
    It was reorganized by decree of July 1st, 1809.
    On November 6, 1813, he was reduced by decree to two battalions of six companies.

    Uniform: The Albanian regiment wore an oriental outfit which we know in a rather detailed way thanks to the description that we gave General Camus de Richemont in his Memoirs:


    "The costume of the Albanians or Arnaut is about that of the islanders of Greece: the head shaved around the forehead, temples and neck, leaving only a large disc of long hair falling from behind and which are covered at their summit, by a small fez, purple color, with embroidery in small stripes and a puff of gold or silk; gaiters in scarlet velvet or sky blue, also laced and rising at the birth of the knee. The foot is enclosed in a shoe similar to that of the Spanish mountaineers, but more elegantly braided and adapting to the lower part of the leg like the Roman corbel. A shirt of strong white linen or rather a tunic covers a pair of underpants and falls like a wide skirt below the knees; on top of this tunic, a short and round jacket, in velvet of the same color as that of the gaiters, with a gold braid, squeezes and draws the waist; its sleeves, open to the elbow, are attached by a multitude of little buttons of shiny metal and are furnished with braids of gold, wrists at the elbows. A long girdle of silk or wool of brilliant color, with flowing gold, wraps around the kidneys over the tunic; this belt supports two long pistols whose barrel and butt are covered by a silver trim. The chef is particularly distinguished by two rows of silver buttons, the size of a turkey egg, which are mounted on a narrow band of morocco, which passes over the neck and falls in double ahead to the belt; these buttons are hollow and open like so many cassolettes. A long Albanian rifle and a curved saber complete the armament. The most important and useful part of this costume is a big and heavy coat, goat hair cloth, rain-proof; he wears his left shoulder and it is a shame to lose him or abandon him in a fight. At the bivouac, he shelters his man from the cold, the snow and the rain; each soldier gathers and forms a pile of thorns or fagots; he stands on top of it and crouches under his coat like a tent of felt; the water may fall in torrents, it flows under the fagots without reaching the man. "

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    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.
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    „Armata balcanica a lui Napoleon”, mit sau realitate? O carte aparuta in Croatia despre „pandurii” albanezi din trupele imperiale
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    Istorie, NR. 13 - Aprilie 2018

    Google translation from romanian:
    "Napoleon's Balkan Army," myth or reality? A book in Croatia about the Albanian "pandour" of the imperial troops


    Along their history, the Albanians, renowned for their virtues of good fighters, served as foreign armies. The phenomenon is not unknown to us: the gentlemen and princesses of the Romanian lands hired them as troops of protection and guard, and in folk tradition they remained as arnauts, a name passed through the Turkish language.


    Their confidence and devotion recommended them to the great commanders of the hosts; the historical springs show us as auxiliary troops in the armies of ancient Rome, then in the Ottoman, and not to mention modern and contemporary times, when Albanian detachments fought alongside Greeks, Serbs, Italians and others. But the French.

    200 years ago, when Napoleon Bonaparte was at the height of glory, and the French armies underwent almost all of Europe, three thousand Albanians fought shoulder to shoulder with the imperial grenadiers. Albanian battalions operated across the Balkan Peninsula, from Croatia to Greece, with the aim of preventing English from infiltrating the region. Croatian historian Vladimir Brnardici takes up this historic fact in his book "Napoleon's Balkan Army," and details the participation of Albanians as mercenaries in battles in the Balkans against English forces. The above-mentioned work also talks about the reasons why Bonaparte appealed to Albanian mercenaries, as well as about his intention to form a special Albanian unit, which he embraced in the Imperial Guard, which eventually failed. About the French rule of the Balkans (in the Ionian islands, Dalmatia, Istria and the Illyrian provinces) was extremely small, although it was recorded in an appreciable period of about 16 years (1797-1814). However, the French influence in the area was quite significant. It has been established that at Napoleon's campaigns in 1812 eleven battalions from the ilir lands, ie about eight thousand fighters, participated. In fact, the French imperial army had in its composition several Balkan units, in which the Albanians were distinguished not only by an unanimously recognized anarchic spirit but also by devotion and manhood.

    "Albanian Pandurii" - bodyguards for imperialists

    After having secured the Kataro Bay, on the southernmost coast of the Dalmatian coast, the French constituted the Battalion "Pandours du Cattaro" on June 1, 1810, whose mission was to defend the territory newly conquered by the attacks of the Montenegrin neighbors. The battalion consisted of six companies of about 50 fighters each, but the total number of units never exceeded 200 soldiers. On November 8, 1811, this battalion was increased to eight companies, changing its name to the "Albanian Battalion". Later, the unit was renamed in the "Albanian Pandurii" (Pandours d'Albania). The battalion participated in the battles against the Montenegrins, whose troops caught by surprise the French positions in the area, but also the defense of the Dalmatian coast against the Austrian attacks in 1813. The many desertions weakened the force of this military unit. The reasons were economic, but also personal, so at the end of 1813, the battalion ceased its existence and was dissolved.

    Ilire units participate in the Russian campaign

    At the beginning of 1810, Vladimir Brnardici writes in his work, Napoleon Bonaparte wanted to establish a military unit to enlist troops in areas not directly engaged in the "ilirica" ​​war: Croatia, Rijeka, ex-austrian Istria, Karinthia, Gorizia and Trieste. This regiment was established on 16 November 1810 and was officially constituted at Liubliana at the end of the same year. Subsequently, the unit was sent to Turin, Italy, to be properly endowed and equipped. In 1811, the five-battalion regiment was incorporated into the French army. In fact, some of the officers were French, the rest Belgian and Austrian, and the commander had been named Colonel Nikola Schmit. Among them, there were also several graduates from the areas where the recruitment had taken place. The Illyrian Regiment took part in the Napoleonic campaign in Russia, namely in the battles of Minsk, Kovno, Valentino-Gora and Krasnoi, near Moscow. Losses in soldiers and officers were particularly high. A battalion of this regiment, attached to the Army Corps of Marshal Oudinot, took part in the great Battle of Leipzig in 1814. Apart from this regiment, the French Army also had "Les troupes Septinsulaire", units with Greek, Albanians and Italians from the seven islands of the Ionian Sea: Corfu, Kefalonia, Zakinthos, Paksos, Lefakada, Itaka and Tzerigos. Because they came exclusively from the Dalmatian coastline, they were called "illicit troops", and the officers and non-commissioned officers were mixed: French, but also commanders and local bosses. The band was dissolved in 1814.

    Napoleon's Albanian Regiment

    The French military authorities have also set up a one-percent Albanian regiment. It originated a special unit formed by the Russians in 1799, then given to the French in 1807, when they reclaimed the Ionian islands. On October 12, 1807, Napoleon decreed the recruitment of three thousand Albanians, most of the refugees in the way of Ali Pasha de Janina. These military forces regrouped and constituted the Albanian Regiment on December 12, 1807, consisting of three battalions, each with three companies. In spite of massive recruitment, the regiment never reached 3254 soldiers, as stated in the founding document. At the same time, the French formed a battalion called "Chasseurs a pied grecs", which was also made up of Albanians from the Ionian islands. This unit consisted of 951 fighters.
    The Albanian Regiment has been deployed in several garrisons set up in the Greek islands. Because fighters were volunteers, and discipline was not their strong point, soldiers and officers often disappeared from units left either to their families or around to "get" what they needed. The most significant confrontations with the English forces took place in October 1809, when the Albanian fighters showed admirable bravery. Another part of the regiment, stationed in Corfu, was not engaged in direct fights.
    On November 6, 1813, the regiment was reorganized with a new command and a band consisting of 470 officers and non-commissioned officers and 1204 fighters, to which were unofficially added 1036 women and children, 1426 goats, 36 horses, asses, cows saddle The suggestion that some of them join the Naples army, and five hundred Imperial Guards, was unsuccessful. Only three knights, equipped and armed according to the Albanian tradition, managed to reach Paris and obtain the approval of the French Minister of War to join the Guard in the battles of 1814. Finally, after the withdrawal of the French troops from the Ionian Islands, the Albanian Regiment entered under the supervision of the English Command, and then officially dissolved on 21 June 1814.

    According to Vladimir Brnardici, Marshal Marmont proposed to Emperor Napoleon that Albanian troops should be equipped with the French light infantry uniform, a proposal to which the sovereign would have opposed. Finally, an outfit was chosen close to the popular Albanian people in southern Greece and northern Greece, different from soldiers to officers. The weapon was the beginning of the 19th century. In addition, the wealthy embroidered the oriental hanger adorned with ornaments and precious stones, which distinguished them from the rest of the band and attracted admirative curiosities of the imperial grenadier.

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    It seem that Stratiotes go way back.
    The comitatenses of the old Roman field armies, in Justinian's day these were more commonly called stratiotai. Regular soldiers of the Roman army, the stratiotai were chiefly recruited from subjects of the empire in the highlands of Thrace, Illyricum and Isauria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    It seem that Stratiotes go way back.
    The comitatenses of the old Roman field armies, in Justinian's day these were more commonly called stratiotai. Regular soldiers of the Roman army, the stratiotai were chiefly recruited from subjects of the empire in the highlands of Thrace, Illyricum and Isauria.
    No, it's not exactly the same and i will explain it later when i will find some time. The Stradioti of the middle age were not exactly the classic mercenaries.
    Meanwhile watch this documentary about Klada:
    Gjurmë Shqiptare - Krokodili i Himarës.
    Arbërori që sfidoi osmanët dhe venedikun

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Let focus on Stradiot history and sources.....
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    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
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    We know this study. The article of Wiki about Stradiotes it is based in this article. It`s a clear atempt to invent Greek stratiotes. The author unconsciously explains this appropriation of history to us with his words:
    Most modern, as well as a good number of early authors have indicated that the stradioti were Albanian. This is true to a certain extent but has to be qualified. A Greek author made a study of the names of stradioti found in the most extensive documentary collection of materials dealing with the stradioti and found that some 80% of the names were of Albanian origin, while the rest were of Greek origin.[20]
    He is so clear in his intention. Most of the modern and medieval scholars consider the stradioti Albanians but this guy has a friend(Greek like him) and with his help he will qualify this issue
    Here below you have an example of how Greeks "qualify" the history:

    Here is the page of Wiki about this Albanian stratioti that Greeks of Wiki consider him as Greek:

    Krokodeilos Kladas

    And here you have an serious source full with credible references:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35842-Stradioti-their-origin-and-history/page3?p=538406&viewfull=1#post538406



    I will bring latter other examples of falsification of history.

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    Στρατος Stratos = army
    Ancient Greek word with IE roots


    Notice

    STRATEGOS STRATAGOS Στρατηγος, the high rank of military general command officer.

    the termination Stratos Stratiotis etc mainly means the command officers no matter low or high rank, and not troopers, neither volunteers

    it mainly means life time low or high rank military man

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    We know this study. The article of Wiki about Stradiotes it is based in this article. It`s a clear atempt to invent Greek stratiotes. The author unconsciously explains this appropriation of history to us with his words:
    He is so clear in his intention. Most of the modern and medieval scholars consider the stradioti Albanians but this guy has a friend(Greek like him) and with his help he will qualify this issue
    Here below you have an example of how Greeks "qualify" the history:
    Here is the page of Wiki about this Albanian stratioti that Greeks of Wiki consider him as Greek:
    Krokodeilos Kladas

    And here you have an serious source full with credible references:
    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35842-Stradioti-their-origin-and-history/page3?p=538406&viewfull=1#post538406

    I will bring latter other examples of falsification of history.
    thanks
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    i think it is the same issue with the most famous albanian stratiori commander
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercurio_Bua
    born in the Peloponnese of Albanian parents
    .
    Hired as a mercenary captain
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condottieri
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    all his titles came via the Holy Roman emperor, Venice republic was never part of the Holy Roman Empire, so he must have served elsewhere militarily

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    Stradioti.....their origin and history????

    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    We know this study. The article of Wiki about Stradiotes it is based in this article. It`s a clear atempt to invent Greek stratiotes. The author unconsciously explains this appropriation of history to us with his words:

    He is so clear in his intention. Most of the modern and medieval scholars consider the stradioti Albanians but this guy has a friend(Greek like him) and with his help he will qualify this issue
    Here below you have an example of how Greeks "qualify" the history:

    Here is the page of Wiki about this Albanian stratioti that Greeks of Wiki consider him as Greek:

    Krokodeilos Kladas

    And here you have an serious source full with credible references:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35842-Stradioti-their-origin-and-history/page3?p=538406&viewfull=1#post538406



    I will bring latter other examples of falsification of history.
    As much as you can qualify “a Rayah” it does not become a lion. Let’s not waist our time with these “qualifications” and dig more on the stratiot warriors...:.since they were known in the Roman army from very early period. Where they were recruited? How they were compensated?


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