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    Stradioti.....their origin and history????

    I would like to have a discussion on them just historical sources....


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    first write the word correct,

    and not with Venician pronounce.
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    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

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    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    first write the word correct,

    and not with Venician pronounce.
    I like them better.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I would like to have a discussion on them just historical sources....
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    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.

    You mean the Cappelleti-stradiotoi ?

    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,


    PLZ ALSO WRITE (TELL US) WHO WERE THE SIPA-HI SPA-HI
    سپاهی, Spahiu
    and their mostly ethnic origin and History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Do Not mix the Cappelleti-stradiotoi with the Stratiotoi.
    What is the difference...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    You mean the Cappelleti-stradiotoi ?

    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,


    PLZ ALSO WRITE (TELL US) WHO WERE THE SIPA-HI SPA-HI
    سپاهی, Spahiu
    and their mostly ethnic origin and History.
    Excuse me but as always i have difficulty to understand your posts. It's not important what you have in mind but what you post here.
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Excuse me but as always i have difficulty to understand your posts. It's not important what you have in mind but what you post here.
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,


    ΤΑΚΕ A GOOD LOOK IN THE GREEK FLAG OF INFANTRY
    IN THE CENTER IS SAN GIORGIO DEI STRADIOTI



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,




    First, this thread was started by another member.
    Second, i continue to have difficulty with your post.
    And third, i insist that you answer to this question:
    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

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    Stradioti.....their origin and history????

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,


    ΤΑΚΕ A GOOD LOOK IN THE GREEK FLAG OF INFANTRY
    IN THE CENTER IS SAN GIORGIO DEI STRADIOTI


    So the Stradioti fighting for Venice were Cypriot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.
    Do you have some references, articles or books


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    It seem that Stratiotes go way back.
    The comitatenses of the old Roman field armies, in Justinian's day these were more commonly called stratiotai. Regular soldiers of the Roman army, the stratiotai were chiefly recruited from subjects of the empire in the highlands of Thrace, Illyricum and Isauria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    It seem that Stratiotes go way back.
    The comitatenses of the old Roman field armies, in Justinian's day these were more commonly called stratiotai. Regular soldiers of the Roman army, the stratiotai were chiefly recruited from subjects of the empire in the highlands of Thrace, Illyricum and Isauria.
    No, it's not exactly the same and i will explain it later when i will find some time. The Stradioti of the middle age were not exactly the classic mercenaries.
    Meanwhile watch this documentary about Klada:
    Gjurmë Shqiptare - Krokodili i Himarës.
    Arbërori që sfidoi osmanët dhe venedikun

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Do you have some references, articles or books


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    Tudor Mercenaries and Auxiliaries, 1485-1547 of Gilbert John Millar.
    In this book you can find information about Albanian stradioti under the comand of Thomas Bue of Argos who were at the service of King Henry VIII of England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Tudor Mercenaries and Auxiliaries, 1485-1547 of Gilbert John Millar.
    In this book you can find information about Albanian stradioti under the comand of Thomas Bue of Argos who were at the service of King Henry VIII of England.
    Are there some other sources?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Why they were called stradioti? Due to tactics or religion? Or due to something else?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Why they were called stradioti? Due to tactics or religion? Or due to something else?


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    I find very interesting this topic, but unfortunately will be destroyed by Yetos, as always.

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    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
    Βασιλευς Βασιλεων Βασιλευων Βασιλευοντων



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
    Βασιλευς Βασιλεων Βασιλευων Βασιλευοντων


    What this tells us about Mercur Bua?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
    Βασιλευς Βασιλεων Βασιλευων Βασιλευοντων





    What you try to imply is Albanians who were byzantine loyalists were not Albanians because they were "Romioi"i.e. dedicated to the Byzantine
    system. This is a fake argument. There were albanians in the byzantine empire, get over it.

    Here is Enver Hoxha:




    Maybe in 200 years some Russian nationalist will argue he wasn't Albanian he was a Communist Internationalist or even he was a Soviet Russian because
    he was staunch supporter of Stalin and because he had USSR symbols and USSR flags at his congress

    Enver Hoxha was nonetheless Albanian.

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    OK

    I ASK WHY THIS THREAD IS OPEN?
    THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE,
    Cause I think there is something Behind,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    OK

    I ASK WHY THIS THREAD IS OPEN?
    THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE,
    Cause I think there is something Behind,
    I open it....The history of the Stradioti fascinates me... want to learn more from
    Reliable sources.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I open it....The history of the Stradioti fascinates me... want to learn more from
    Reliable sources.....


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    This is another interesting book:
    Paolo Petta
    Stradioti
    Soldati albanesi in Italia (sec. XV-XIX)
    Stradioti
    Albanian soldiers in Italy (sec. XV-XIX)

    Per migliaia di anni il mestiere del soldato mercenario è stato, in tutto il mondo, un mestiere onorato, e popoli interi –alcuni poi arricchitisi, come gli svizzeri; altri rimasti poveri, come gli albanesi- lo hanno praticato, cercando in questo modo di trovare un loro spazio nel mondo dei ricchi. In Italia, migliaia di albanesi hanno seguito questa via, dal XV secolo (se non prima) fino al XIX: si tratta di una emigrazione tutta particolare, che soprattutto nel Rinascimento si impose all’attenzione di tutta l’Europa per le fortunate imprese degli “stradioti”, cavalieri audacissimi al servizio di Venezia, e poi di molti altri sovrani. Tra i discendenti di questi mercenari si troveranno, tra gli altri, un Papa e un rivoluzionario illustre, Antonio Gramsci.
    Google translator:
    For thousands of years the mercenary soldier's profession has been, all over the world, an honored profession, and entire peoples - some then enriched, like the Swiss; others who remained poor, like the Albanians, practiced it, seeking in this way to find their own space in the world of the rich. In Italy, thousands of Albanians have followed this path, from the fifteenth century (if not before) until the nineteenth century: it is a very special emigration, which especially in the Renaissance imposed itself on the attention of all Europe for the successful exploits of "Stradioti", audacious knights in the service of Venice, and then of many other sovereigns. Among the descendants of these mercenaries will be found, among others, a Pope and an illustrious revolutionary, Antonio Gramsci.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    This is another interesting book:
    Paolo Petta
    Stradioti
    Soldati albanesi in Italia (sec. XV-XIX)
    Stradioti
    Albanian soldiers in Italy (sec. XV-XIX)


    Google translator:
    This one looks very interesting, and can read Italian as well.


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