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    Stradioti.....their origin and history????



    I would like to have a discussion on them just historical sources....


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    first write the word correct,

    and not with Venician pronounce.
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    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

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    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    first write the word correct,

    and not with Venician pronounce.
    I like them better.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I would like to have a discussion on them just historical sources....
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    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.
    17 Dec.
    Paget to the Council.

    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.

    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.

    You mean the Cappelleti-stradiotoi ?

    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,


    PLZ ALSO WRITE (TELL US) WHO WERE THE SIPA-HI SPA-HI
    سپاهی, Spahiu
    and their mostly ethnic origin and History.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    The Stradioti were Albanian mercenaries who during the Middle Ages, especially after the death of Scanderbeg and the occupation of Albania, migrated to Western Europe and offered their services to almost all the kingdoms and states of Europe. They were Albanians from Albania proper, especially from the South but also from the North, and Albanians from Greece, the so-called Arvanites. They were at the service of England to protect the northern borders with Scotland, in Spain, France, Netherlands, Austria and especially in Italy, they were the favorite soldiers of the Venetians and other cities and lords of the peninsula. They participated in all the major European conflicts of the Middle Ages. The most famous of all of them was Mercurio (Murrik, alb) Bue Shpata.
    Do you have some references, articles or books


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Do Not mix the Cappelleti-stradiotoi with the Stratiotoi.
    What is the difference...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Do you have some references, articles or books


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    Tudor Mercenaries and Auxiliaries, 1485-1547 of Gilbert John Millar.
    In this book you can find information about Albanian stradioti under the comand of Thomas Bue of Argos who were at the service of King Henry VIII of England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    You mean the Cappelleti-stradiotoi ?

    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,


    PLZ ALSO WRITE (TELL US) WHO WERE THE SIPA-HI SPA-HI
    سپاهی, Spahiu
    and their mostly ethnic origin and History.
    Excuse me but as always i have difficulty to understand your posts. It's not important what you have in mind but what you post here.
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Excuse me but as always i have difficulty to understand your posts. It's not important what you have in mind but what you post here.
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,


    ΤΑΚΕ A GOOD LOOK IN THE GREEK FLAG OF INFANTRY
    IN THE CENTER IS SAN GIORGIO DEI STRADIOTI



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,




    First, this thread was started by another member.
    Second, i continue to have difficulty with your post.
    And third, i insist that you answer to this question:
    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    What have to do sipahi in this discussion?

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    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
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    OK

    I ASK WHY THIS THREAD IS OPEN?
    THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE,
    Cause I think there is something Behind,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johane Derite View Post
    Why they were called stradioti? Due to tactics or religion? Or due to something else?


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    Stradioti.....their origin and history????

    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    EXCUSE ME

    But why the 'empire' suddenly is interesting and mention the Stratiotoi
    most famous of them was a Palaiologos,

    Can you me a reason, why you open a Thread about The Orthodox Army, the remnants of Romioi of Byzantine?

    and why not expanded ,more?

    Can you give me a reason, A TRUE REASON?

    Besides I have been to San Giorgio dei Greci 2 times in my life. (Ai Γιωργης ο Στρατηλατης, San Giorgio dei Stratioti)




    DO YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THAT ALBANIAN WERE ALSO ROMIOI?
    with your Post.

    or that they
    Palaiologos, Spandounios, Laskaris, Rhalles, Comnenos, Psendakis,
    Maniatis, Spyliotis, Alexopoulos, Psaris, Zacharopoulos, Klirakopoulos, Kondomitis,
    were Albanians?

    Plz also search about The Cypriot Stratioti and mention them,


    ΤΑΚΕ A GOOD LOOK IN THE GREEK FLAG OF INFANTRY
    IN THE CENTER IS SAN GIORGIO DEI STRADIOTI


    So the Stradioti fighting for Venice were Cypriot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Why they were called stradioti? Due to tactics or religion? Or due to something else?


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    I find very interesting this topic, but unfortunately will be destroyed by Yetos, as always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    OK

    I ASK WHY THIS THREAD IS OPEN?
    THE REASON AND THE PURPOSE,
    Cause I think there is something Behind,
    I open it....The history of the Stradioti fascinates me... want to learn more from
    Reliable sources.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
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    What this tells us about Mercur Bua?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    Tudor Mercenaries and Auxiliaries, 1485-1547 of Gilbert John Millar.
    In this book you can find information about Albanian stradioti under the comand of Thomas Bue of Argos who were at the service of King Henry VIII of England.
    Are there some other sources?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I open it....The history of the Stradioti fascinates me... want to learn more from
    Reliable sources.....


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    This is another interesting book:
    Paolo Petta
    Stradioti
    Soldati albanesi in Italia (sec. XV-XIX)
    Stradioti
    Albanian soldiers in Italy (sec. XV-XIX)

    Per migliaia di anni il mestiere del soldato mercenario è stato, in tutto il mondo, un mestiere onorato, e popoli interi –alcuni poi arricchitisi, come gli svizzeri; altri rimasti poveri, come gli albanesi- lo hanno praticato, cercando in questo modo di trovare un loro spazio nel mondo dei ricchi. In Italia, migliaia di albanesi hanno seguito questa via, dal XV secolo (se non prima) fino al XIX: si tratta di una emigrazione tutta particolare, che soprattutto nel Rinascimento si impose all’attenzione di tutta l’Europa per le fortunate imprese degli “stradioti”, cavalieri audacissimi al servizio di Venezia, e poi di molti altri sovrani. Tra i discendenti di questi mercenari si troveranno, tra gli altri, un Papa e un rivoluzionario illustre, Antonio Gramsci.
    Google translator:
    For thousands of years the mercenary soldier's profession has been, all over the world, an honored profession, and entire peoples - some then enriched, like the Swiss; others who remained poor, like the Albanians, practiced it, seeking in this way to find their own space in the world of the rich. In Italy, thousands of Albanians have followed this path, from the fifteenth century (if not before) until the nineteenth century: it is a very special emigration, which especially in the Renaissance imposed itself on the attention of all Europe for the successful exploits of "Stradioti", audacious knights in the service of Venice, and then of many other sovereigns. Among the descendants of these mercenaries will be found, among others, a Pope and an illustrious revolutionary, Antonio Gramsci.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    This is another interesting book:
    Paolo Petta
    Stradioti
    Soldati albanesi in Italia (sec. XV-XIX)
    Stradioti
    Albanian soldiers in Italy (sec. XV-XIX)


    Google translator:
    This one looks very interesting, and can read Italian as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    That is the the Flag of Mercury Bua from Μπου(γ)α from Boya
    Given by Maxilian

    What do you see there?


    Also Notice the Serbian




    And The Byzantine
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    What you try to imply is Albanians who were byzantine loyalists were not Albanians because they were "Romioi"i.e. dedicated to the Byzantine
    system. This is a fake argument. There were albanians in the byzantine empire, get over it.

    Here is Enver Hoxha:




    Maybe in 200 years some Russian nationalist will argue he wasn't Albanian he was a Communist Internationalist or even he was a Soviet Russian because
    he was staunch supporter of Stalin and because he had USSR symbols and USSR flags at his congress

    Enver Hoxha was nonetheless Albanian.

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    From the book of Paolo Petta:
    Un cronista francese narra questo incredibile dialogo tra un capo dei Croati (probabilmente mussulmano) e Mercurio Bua, suo nemico personale, da lui fatto prigioniero nelle campagne padovane. Il croato aveva preteso di essere trattato secondo le leggi di guerra, offrendo quindi la sua “taglia” (ovvero una cifra per la sua libertà), ma l’albanese gli chiese “sulla sua fede” come si sarebbe comportato lui al suo posto.

    Il Croato, sulla sua fede, non poté negare che lo avrebbe fatto a pezzi : “Ebbene” replicò Mercurio “io non farò nulla di peggio”. Ciò detto, comandò ai suoi albanesi, nella sua lingua, di lavorare di coltello, ed essi subito misero all’opera le loro scimitarre, e non ci fu capitano ne altri che non avesse dieci colpi dopo la sua morte; poi tagliarono loro le teste, che infilarono in cima alle loro stratiote, e dicevano che non erano cristiani”.
    Google translation:
    A French chronicler narrates this incredible dialogue between the chief of the Croats (probably Muslim) and Mercurio Bua, his personal enemy, which he captured in the Paduan countryside. The Croatian had claimed to be treated according to the laws of war, thus offering his "size" (ie a sum for his freedom), but the Albanian asked him "on his faith" as how he would have behaved in his place.

    The Croat, on his faith, could not deny that he would have cut him to pieces: "Well," replied Mercury, "I will not do anything worse." Having said that, he commanded his Albanians, in his language, to work with the knife, and they immediately put their scimitars to work, and there was no captain or others who had not ten strokes after his death; then they cut off their heads, which they put on top of their layers, and said they were not Christians. "
    There is another source that describe this event:
    Bayard's Loyal Serviteur [p. 223] described a clash between stradiots and Croats in 1510. The stradiots of Mercurio Rona, allied with the French, fell in with a party of Venetian Croats near Monselice. The Albanians considered the Croats "more Turks than Christian" and captured and butchered them (an attitude that has apparently persisted in the region until today!).
    They cut off their heads [with scimitars] and spiked them on the ends of their stradiots [javelins shod with iron at both ends], asserting that they were not Christians. These men wore a strange headdress, for it was like a maiden's hood. And in the place where they put the head, it was furnished with five or six thick pieces of paper glued together, so that a sword did no more harm to it than to a secrete [steel cap worn under the helmet].

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    Albanian hat

    The Albanian hat, also known by its French name—chapeau albanois, was a type of hat worn by Albanians and primarily by Albanian mercenaries throughout Europe from the 15th to 18th century.[1] described as high-crowned hat woven from ivy branches. [2]
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    https://books.google.al/books?id=RqS...banois&f=false

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