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Thread: Upcoming paper on Eurasian steppe population genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    so, are you saying they could have been renamed as something else..like

    Circassian or Tartar
    I mean that the tribe Cimmerians simply went extinct 2500 years ago and they do not have any direct descendants. If some people in XIV century, or after that, were called Cimmerians that would be the people who were living in Ukraine back in the day, as you mentioned Circassians, Tatars and Eastern Slavs.

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    OK so by the Iron Age the steppe was very mixed with balkan Farmer, Siberian, and of course EBA_Steppe. Finding a bunch of different Y haplogroups isn't surprising at all, in fact the leading Hunnic tribes, including Attilla, didn't even speak Iranian anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markozd View Post
    It's not my opinion, it's pretty much scholarly consensus. There's no Araxes east of the Caspian. He uses the same name for both rivers, and in this particular quote it's clearly the eastern one.
    It is an opinion.
    Can you use the primary sources to prove that Oxus was 'often' confused with Araxes?In my opinion it is impossible.

    Either way, he says that Scythians crossed a river he calls Araxes which flowed from Matiene and 'entered the land of Cimmeria'.

    What he says is therefore fairly clear.

    How that is interpreted is something I am not interested in much, but nothing points to what you (or some scholars) had said imo.

    And either way, it is not that relevant because similar accounts don't prove anything. They probably show just what some people believed.

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    All of this stuff we're talking about significantly post dates the formation of the Iranians

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    Quote Originally Posted by holderlin View Post
    All of this stuff we're talking about significantly post dates the formation of the Iranians
    Then please pre-date it with a significant comment.

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