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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    but who poisoned them? look up the links and you will see that the opposition is capable of using it too. and i wouldn't accept the UN either when you see that it actually does not call obviously terrorist people terrorists.
    Really?

    The Russians are not letting the UN observers in to examine the site. Why do you think that is? It takes a while to clean up the site, you know, to get rid of the evidence.

    When are Europeans going to stop making excuses for the Russians? Their domination kept half of Europe 50 years behind the times for goodness' sakes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    but who poisoned them? look up the links and you will see that the opposition is capable of using it too. and i wouldn't accept the UN either when you see that it actually does not call obviously terrorist people terrorists.
    A commission of inquiry, as I said before, would have clarified many things.
    Honestly, the biggest terrorist and criminal in this story is this idiot of Assad.
    17 Dec.
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    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.
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    This post as it evolves, remind me an old Greek moto,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Really?

    The Russians are not letting the UN observers in to examine the site. Why do you think that is? It takes a while to clean up the site, you know, to get rid of the evidence.

    When are Europeans going to stop making excuses for the Russians? Their domination kept half of Europe 50 years behind the times for goodness' sakes.
    i am not making excusees for the russians. but at least i try to look at what is actually happening in syria. russia has definitly its own interessts but why should i judge them but not also the us and the people who allie with them? this war is not about the syrian people in the eyes of russia but also not in the eyes of the US. people are just naive if they believe that. you now have israel vs syria(assad never liked israel and he also did not like america and america did not like assad) and iran, saudi-arabia(they were supporting the "army of islam") vs iran, turkey vs the kurds russia vs us and who kows who.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    i am not making excusees for the russians. but at least i try to look at what is actually happening in syria. russia has definitly its own interessts but why should i judge them but not also the us and the people who allie with them? this war is not about the syrian people in the eyes of russia but also not in the eyes of the US. you are just naive if believe that. you now have israel vs syria(assad never liked israel and he also did not like america and america did not like assad) and iran, saudi-arabia vs iran, turkey vs the kurds and who kows who.
    So what is the cause of Syria and Russia delaying inspectors into gas attack area? Figure out this biggest give away who did it and what!
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    So what is the cause of Syria and Russia delaying inspectors into gas attack area? Figure out this biggest give away who did it and what!
    and now you have the UN-security team that went ahead that is not allowing them to enter because of gunfire according to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    and now you have the UN-security team that went ahead that is not allowing them to enter because of gunfire according to them.
    Somehow you sound like Putin's propaganda machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Somehow you sound like Putin's propaganda machine.
    why? that's what reuters is saying. but yes it could always be propaganda. you just seem to think that only russia uses propaganda. are the wiki links also propaganda? both sides used chemical weapons multiple times and yet we only hear from assad.

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    "OPCW Director-General Ahmet Üzümcü said the United Nations Department of Safety and Security (UNDSS) had decided to carry out reconnaissance at two sites in the town of Douma before the inspectors would visit them.

    “On arrival at site one, a large crowd gathered and the advice provided by the UNDSS was that the reconnaissance team should withdraw,” he told a meeting at the watchdog’s headquarters in remarks it later released. “At site two, the team came under small arms fire and an explosive was detonated. The reconnaissance team returned to Damascus.” "

    what was the "large crowd"? why would the people there try to hinder the investigations? maybe paid by assad and russia. or something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    i am not making excusees for the russians. but at least i try to look at what is actually happening in syria. russia has definitly its own interessts but why should i judge them but not also the us and the people who allie with them? this war is not about the syrian people in the eyes of russia but also not in the eyes of the US. people are just naive if they believe that. you now have israel vs syria(assad never liked israel and he also did not like america and america did not like assad) and iran, saudi-arabia(they were supporting the "army of islam") vs iran, turkey vs the kurds russia vs us and who kows who.
    Oh, I don't know, how about because it's not the U.S. that is trying to protect someone who is using chemical weapons against men, women, and children in his own country?

    Where the hell is your moral compass?

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    oh boy.

    we arque if Elen of Troy was beatyfull, and if she should be with Paris.
    We arque about if Paris and Elen did the right or the wrong.
    But troyan war was going to happen, either was Elene the excusion, either other.

    In most News I read that the targets were chemical laboratories and factories,
    and I ask,

    if Syrria of Assant has a nuclear plant,
    would you dare to bomb it?
    IF Syrria of Assant has a chamical warfare plant, and storage
    WOULD YOU DARE TO BOMB IT?

    Surely not,
    only an idiot would do such.
    So either Assant has chemical warfare, either not,
    the |Bombing was done to other strategic targets,
    for reasons that only they who decide such Know,
    and possibly we will never learn.

    either Assant has chemicals and use them
    either he has not and warfare were from ISIS remnants,

    Same happened to Sadam's Iraq,
    and
    Oh!! sorry we did not found any chamicals!!!
    but invasion and job was done,
    and do not ask Sadam to forgive them,
    neither restore him,
    etc etc etc.

    IT IS SILLY TO BELIEVE THAT ASSANT DO NOT POSSES CHEMICALS.
    IT IS SILLY TO BELIEVE THAT REBELS DO NOT POSES CHEMICALS, mainly FROM THE ISIS (Al Nusra Al Qaida etc) or they can not have an acces by a supporter of them, a nearby country.

    The true reason for bombing is elsewhere, not in the excusion.

    YOU DO NOT BOMB CHEMICAL WEAPON WEAPON FACILITIES SO EASY,
    AS YOU DO NOT BOMB A NUCLEAR PLANT SO EASY,
    EXCEPT IF YOU ARE AN INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!

    come on.
    Either Assant USE CHEMICALS
    Either he did NOT USE CHEMICALS
    THE BOMBING MAIN MESSAGE, WAS OTHER.

    it was certain that will not hit Russian bases,
    as it was certain that Russian will not counter back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    i am not making excusees for the russians. but at least i try to look at what is actually happening in syria. russia has definitly its own interessts but why should i judge them but not also the us and the people who allie with them? this war is not about the syrian people in the eyes of russia but also not in the eyes of the US. people are just naive if they believe that. you now have israel vs syria(assad never liked israel and he also did not like america and america did not like assad) and iran, saudi-arabia(they were supporting the "army of islam") vs iran, turkey vs the kurds russia vs us and who kows who.
    I have a very simple question to ask. Does this Assad have any responsibility for the terrible situation in which his country lies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Oh, I don't know, how about because it's not the U.S. that is trying to protect someone who is using chemical weapons against men, women, and children in his own country?

    Where the hell is your moral compass?
    it is certainly not located in the white house. it is safe to assume that assad used chemical weapons. but so did the opposition. and if you checked the links you would know that they used them just as much as assad did.
    and the U.S is not trying to protect anyone. it's sole goal is that assad and russias presence in syria are gone and that it can push it's own interessts just like russia is doing it. there was an incident 1949 were the usa wanted to build a pipeline through syria. the syrian government did not agree so they were replaced in a military coup staged by the CIA. that's why today syria is pro-russia and dislikes the US. today we have again a discussion about gas pipelines through syria and syria planed to build one 2011 that connects syria with iran and did not want one throug syria to turkey. that doesn't have to be significant but maybe it is.




    if you speak german i can give you a link to an interview from swiss radio srf (schweizer rundfunk so definitly not pro assad,russia) with a good expert who mentiones this:
    the jihadists (yes he calls them by their name even though the U.N doesn't want to call them this way, look up post earlier for reason, they are called like this pretty much everywhere), he even calls them hardcore jihadists, probably coming from ISIS or al quaida, who also occupied the region, had already capitulated and were already transported to idlip with buses according to the peace agreement. it simply makes no sense that the syrian army would use chemical weapons in this situation in this area. it could still be possible but one should still ask the question who really profits from this. he also says that most of the people fighting against assad in the last years are and were in fact jihadists and islamists.

    why would the US and support terrorists with weapons? and why is it not going after the use of chemical weapons by these people in the same way?

    btw. isn't it funny how turkey is supporting these groups but calls kurds terrorists? poor guys. after the usa completely abandoned them they are alone vs turkey. i still wonder what role turkey actally plays in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    I have a very simple question to ask. Does this Assad have any responsibility for the terrible situation in which his country lies?
    Same as USA that armed ISIS,
    Same as Russia who took advantage in East med bases,
    Same as Turkey who armed and supply Al Nusra

    Same as EVERYONE.

    Kantafi,
    Sadam
    bin Laden
    the Father Assant
    Al Qaida
    etc

    are not just one day project.
    they do not wake up one morning, being life time presidents.

    REMEMBER THE STORY OF AFGANISTAN
    DECADES AFTER AND IS NOT OVER.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Same as USA that armed ISIS,
    Same as Russia who took advantage in East med bases,
    Same as Turkey who armed and supply Al Nusra

    Same as EVERYONE.

    Kantafi,
    Sadam
    bin Laden
    the Father Assant
    Al Qaida
    etc

    are not just one day project.
    they do not wake up one morning, being life time presidents.

    REMEMBER THE STORY OF AFGANISTAN
    DECADES AFTER AND IS NOT OVER.


    I am sorry Yetos but your answer has nothing to do with my question. Maybe you quoted me wrongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Same as USA that armed ISIS,
    Same as Russia who took advantage in East med bases,
    Same as Turkey who armed and supply Al Nusra

    Same as EVERYONE.

    Kantafi,
    Sadam
    bin Laden
    the Father Assant
    Al Qaida
    etc

    are not just one day project.
    they do not wake up one morning, being life time presidents.

    REMEMBER THE STORY OF AFGANISTAN
    DECADES AFTER AND IS NOT OVER.


    Why do Europeans have such a skewed view of history? Is it just prejudice and jealousy that prevents them from keeping the facts straight?

    Afghanistan was armed primarily because of one U.S. legislator, Charlie Wilson, who thought they were noble peasants or tribesmen or whatever resisting the brutality of the Russian occupation.

    He didn't know they had the culture and values of Bronze Age barbarians, and attitudes toward women and sexuaility (i.e. using young boys as sexual substitutes) which, had he known, would no doubt have appalled him.

    As for ISIS, and Iraq, the problem has always been that Americans always assumed that people in far off places would become good citizens of a democracy if they were just given the choice. They've always been wrong. That lesson may only now be sinking in, and with it, growing isolationism. George Washington said that no good would come of foreign entanglements, and he was right. Some peoples are just not ready for it.

    Dangerously naive, ok, but not evil. There is a tremendous difference between the Russians and the Americans. The Russians are providing aid and covering up WRONGDOING. They are doing it AFTER knowing that Assad will and has and is using chemical weapons against his people. How can you possibly compare that to Afghanistan or Iraq? It's absurd, so absurd that I will not bother to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    I have a very simple question to ask. Does this Assad have any responsibility for the terrible situation in which his country lies?
    he certainly has. but you can't tell me that a big part of the rebels, who actually have an islamist background and who were supported by the west, turkey, saudi-arabia and whoever also has interessts in this war, has no responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    he certainly has. but you can't tell me that a big part of the rebels, who actually have an islamist background and who were supported by the west, turkey, saudi-arabia and whoever also has interessts in this war, has no responsibility.
    And what would be the responsibilities of Assad? All the people you mentioned have nothing to do with that country. They are foreigners, and they do not care about Syria. He, the president of this country, padre padrone, a kind of king without crown, what did he do to keep his country out of this whole story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    And what would be the responsibilities of Assad? All the people you mentioned have nothing to do with that country. They are foreigners, and they do not care about Syria. He, the president of this country, padre padrone, a kind of king without crown, what did he do to keep his country out of this whole story?
    if you want to search the one who is responsible for this war i can't help you. there always need to be 2 sides who want to fight. if you take up the sword you are responsible for the war. that doesn't mean that you have no right to fight. it just depends why you took up the sword.
    assad had his supporters and he obviously also had his enemies and people who did not like him for many different reasons. they were never united and they are all equally responsible for this war. the only question is who is fighting for what reason and who should end up as the winner. as you said yourself these countries do not care about the syrian people and have their own plans. but as you can see only one side is marked for beeing evil while the other one seems to have the moral highground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    And what would be the responsibilities of Assad? All the people you mentioned have nothing to do with that country. They are foreigners, and they do not care about Syria. He, the president of this country, padre padrone, a kind of king without crown, what did he do to keep his country out of this whole story?

    Notice

    Sadam friends were baathists,
    kantafi had support of certain tribes,
    Assand has support of certain religious groups,
    etc

    at Syrria exists
    The Pagan Yezidi Kurds, today Protected by UN
    The Kurds
    The Allevi Muslims
    The Suni Muslims Arab Friendly
    The Shiites Iran friendly
    Sufi Muslims and Turk friendly
    Assyrians
    Maronites Christians (Arab-Levantine catholic)
    Arab Orthodox Christians (Antiocheian patriarchate)


    The situation there is a war not only among religious groups,
    but also and among nationality groups,
    and foreign volunteers and mercenairies.

    A mess.
    EVERYBODY AGAINST EVERYBODY.

    ISIS vs Evrybody especially Yezidi for being Kufar
    Al Qaida-Al Nusra vs Assant
    Kurds vs ISIS
    Assant vs Everybody
    Turks vs Kurds and Assant
    Iraq vs Everybody except Assant,
    etc etc
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    US should just change the flag to a giant white star with imperial red and blue bursts coming out like WWII Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Why do Europeans have such a skewed view of history? Is it just prejudice and jealousy that prevents them from keeping the facts straight?

    Afghanistan was armed primarily because of one U.S. legislator, Charlie Wilson, who thought they were noble peasants or tribesmen or whatever resisting the brutality of the Russian occupation.

    He didn't know they had the culture and values of Bronze Age barbarians, and attitudes toward women and sexuaility (i.e. using young boys as sexual substitutes) which, had he known, would no doubt have appalled him.

    As for ISIS, and Iraq, the problem has always been that Americans always assumed that people in far off places would become good citizens of a democracy if they were just given the choice. They've always been wrong. That lesson may only now be sinking in, and with it, growing isolationism. George Washington said that no good would come of foreign entanglements, and he was right. Some peoples are just not ready for it.

    Dangerously naive, ok, but not evil. There is a tremendous difference between the Russians and the Americans. The Russians are providing aid and covering up WRONGDOING. They are doing it AFTER knowing that Assad will and has and is using chemical weapons against his people. How can you possibly compare that to Afghanistan or Iraq? It's absurd, so absurd that I will not bother to respond.
    Afganistan before a century was a proud kingdom,
    Afganistan problem starts after the collapse of British empire and generally end of European colonisation,
    when Europeans left start a new war for opium control and profit
    Afganistan today is the No 1 in world in production, 66% of global produaction
    Notice the black money are huge in such countries,
    Like South America states who 'produce' cocaine.
    CHINA OPIUM WARS REMAINED IN HISTORY,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars


    Next to Iran and Pakistan,
    they had the most control,
    that pushed Russians to enter to take control.
    In Soviet and generally communistic societies, they could not control the 'kompot'
    an invasion to Afganistan not would gave them inner control, but also a wider world control.
    react from USA was to arm locals to resist the Russian occupation,
    but in the place gathered many 'volunteers', many mercenairies, and many 'believers',
    Like Giving free guns to Escobar and other cartel
    The longer the war last, the more complex the situation,
    SAME will be with Syrria. the longer the time of war,
    the more Afganistan is going to be.

    remember at the end of of 19th century,
    a doctor in England produce heroin by morphine, which is product of opium
    few decades later, the rich of bayer pharm co who produce heroin
    were huge,

    today not only heroin and morphine are produced
    but also methadone, fentanyl, pethidine,
    even sirops for cough, contain codeine, a mecon systatic

    not only bayer and heroin
    but Merck become a colossus by opium

    today the pharmaceutical corporations are who knows how many.

    The problem of Afganistan is that produces the 66% of global mecon plantations
    but is not legal to sell it to pharmaceutical corporations,
    and the longer that continues, the longer 'barbarians' will be.

    AS FOR GOOD AND BAD GUY

    Before WW2 it was Europe and colonial system that ruled the World,
    after that was NATO and SOVIET
    Today is NATO (not USA )
    oh, and that bad guy Putin,
    strange but China make or pretend the Chinese on the corner (I don't see, I don't hear, i don't speak)
    BUT SOME OF US,
    EITHER IN EUROPE
    EITHER IN AMERICA
    EITHER IN RUSSIA,
    STILL BELIVE IN THE FREE WORLD,
    AND NATIONAL STATES.
    NOT IN CAPITALISM, NOT IN COMMUNISM,
    NOT IN CORPORATIONS, NOT IN MEDIA,


    SO THE 'GAME' THAT WE PLAY TODAY,
    IS FIND THE ELENE of TROY
    so the future Historian write his poet.
    but when a student ask the future Historian
    who was the bad guy? what answer he would receive?
    and the second question will be
    What did Russia for that?
    and the third will be
    What did USA for that?
    and next will be
    What did EU for that?
    etc
    But what will he answer, if the question will be,
    WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE?
    Except the inner status, the mosaic
    would He also mention the responsibility of foreign powers?,
    Last edited by Yetos; 19-04-18 at 06:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    if you want to search the one who is responsible for this war i can't help you. there always need to be 2 sides who want to fight. if you take up the sword you are responsible for the war. that doesn't mean that you have no right to fight. it just depends why you took up the sword.
    assad had his supporters and he obviously also had his enemies and people who did not like him for many different reasons. they were never united and they are all equally responsible for this war. the only question is who is fighting for what reason and who should end up as the winner. as you said yourself these countries do not care about the syrian people and have their own plans. but as you can see only one side is marked for beeing evil while the other one seems to have the moral highground.
    My question was simple, but it is clear that you stubbornly refuse to give an answer. The reasons you know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Afganistan before a century was a proud kingdom,
    Afganistan problem starts after the collapse of British empire and generally end of European colonisation,
    when Europeans left start a new war for opium control and profit
    Afganistan today is the No 1 in world in production, 66% of global produaction
    Notice the black money are huge in such countries,
    Like South America states who 'produce' cocaine.
    CHINA OPIUM WARS REMAINED IN HISTORY,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars


    Next to Iran and Pakistan,
    they had the most control,
    that pushed Russians to enter to take control.
    In Soviet and generally communistic societies, they could not control the 'kompot'
    an invasion to Afganistan not would gave them inner control, but also a wider world control.
    react from USA was to arm locals to resist the Russian occupation,
    but in the place gathered many 'volunteers', many mercenairies, and many 'believers',
    Like Giving free guns to Escobar and other cartel
    The longer the war last, the more complex the situation,
    SAME will be with Syrria. the longer the time of war,
    the more Afganistan is going to be.

    remember at the end of of 19th century,
    a doctor in England produce heroin by morphine, which is product of opium
    few decades later, the rich of bayer pharm co who produce heroin
    were huge,

    today not only heroin and morphine are produced
    but also methadone, fentanyl, pethidine,
    even sirops for cough, contain codeine, a mecon systatic

    not only bayer and heroin
    but Merck become a colossus by opium

    today the pharmaceutical corporations are who knows how many.

    The problem of Afganistan is that produces the 66% of global mecon plantations
    but is not legal to sell it to pharmaceutical corporations,
    and the longer that continues, the longer 'barbarians' will be.

    AS FOR GOOD AND BAD GUY

    Before WW2 it was Europe and colonial system that ruled the World,
    after that was NATO and SOVIET
    Today is NATO (not USA )
    oh, and that bad guy Putin,
    strange but China make or pretend the Chinese on the corner (I don't see, I don't hear, i don't speak)
    BUT SOME OF US,
    EITHER IN EUROPE
    EITHER IN AMERICA
    EITHER IN RUSSIA,
    STILL BELIVE IN THE FREE WORLD,
    AND NATIONAL STATES.
    NOT IN CAPITALISM, NOT IN COMMUNISM,
    NOT IN CORPORATIONS, NOT IN MEDIA,


    SO THE 'GAME' THAT WE PLAY TODAY,
    IS FIND THE ELENE of TROY
    so the future Historian write his poet.
    but when a student ask the future Historian
    who was the bad guy? what answer he would receive?
    and the second question will be
    What did Russia for that?
    and the third will be
    What did USA for that?
    and next will be
    What did EU for that?
    etc
    But what will he answer, if the question will be,
    WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE?
    Except the inner status, the mosaic
    would He also mention the responsibility of foreign powers?,
    Right: it's the fault of Iran and Pakistan that Russia invaded and occupied Afghanistan. They PUSHED Russia into doing it and doing it brutally as well.

    Absolutely. You learn new things every day. Russia is just misunderstood. They took over all of eastern Europe for the sake of Eastern Europeans. They just wanted to HELP them. Anyone who says they drained them dry and oppressed them is a dastardly liar. Those damn Czechs and Hungarians and Poles just didn't know what was good for them. What were they thinking of to revolt?

    Has it ever occurred to any of you people that the Berlin Wall, for example, had to be built to prevent East Germans from fleeing FROM the wonderful Communist system? On the other hand, some Americans want to build a wall to prevent the entire freaking world from fleeing TO us?

    Listen buddy, if there's anything that everybody should have learned by now it's that capitalism, with all its flaws (which have to be guarded against), brings more prosperity to more people than any other system we have, and far more than communism. You know of another economic system you want to try?

    You don't want to live in a democracy, flawed though it may be? Fine. VOTE in communism, or IMPOSE it by force, whatever, where you can be ruled by an oligarchy with their own stores and doctors and vacation spots while you pretend to work and they pretend to pay you, and they tell you where to live, where to work, what to buy. Prefer fascism? You've had it before. Knock yourself out.

    That goes for all Europeans. Just don't ever again expect Americans to rescue you from either fascism or communism. I think America is finally out of the rescue business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    My question was simple, but it is clear that you stubbornly refuse to give an answer. The reasons you know better.
    your question was answered. i don't know what you want. that i say it was all assad's fault? that would be a lie. are you now also going to say that ISIS was assad's fault?
    again, assad did not have the whole syrian people against him and not all took up arms. is it also their fault?
    read the post before. syria is not a homogenous region with many different people with many different interessts. you have to look at why people took up arms. and more than half of the rebels are actually jihadists. are they not responsible?
    you are still talking as if the majority of the rebels were fighting for democracy and human rights. but what the hell makes you think so? it is sadly not the case.

    when the kurds start to take up arms in turkey against erdogan who is responisble? the kurds or erdogan?
    when the catalonians want to be independent who is responsible? spain or the catalonians?

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